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Sport Specific Training Discussion => 400m Sprinting or Shorter => Topic started by: adarqui on July 03, 2010, 04:56:42 am
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http://news.discovery.com/human/runners-sprinters-ankle-feet.html
http://memagazine.asme.org/Articles/2009/October/Sprinters_Foot.cfm
was this already posted?
peace
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the guy in the article said sprinters are born not made, but i believe there still is a way to be a beast sprinter and have the completely wrong structure, though i think i have a pretty good sprinter's structure I need to up my strength before i turn heads
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the guy in the article said sprinters are born not made, but i believe there still is a way to be a beast sprinter and have the completely wrong structure, though i think i have a pretty good sprinter's structure I need to up my strength before i turn heads
elite sprinters are born not made, such as usain bolt/tyson gay, but that's not to say someone could get from low 12's to high 10's (or mid 11 to low 10), that's for sure, it can definitely happen.
people whine about not getting faster, or reaching a certain "limit", but most of these people don't do everything possible within their will to improve.. there is no such thing as a limit, truly, as you progress towards your peak, every tenth & hundredth of a second becomes PR territory..
we see people make some gains on sprinting, get to a level, and then get content.. but if more progress is to be made, other avenues are capable of being explored.. if you go from moderate to good to very good in your sprint/strength/fitness abilities, there is always that last level of advanced training which people never even enter.. elite athletes don't need to enter it, as just doing moderate level training is usually enough to keep them better than their peers.. but to advanced to the greatest levels, other systems of training can be experimented with, such as:
- high volume shock routines
- downhill sprinting on 3-6 degree slopes
- stim methods & supercompensation techniques
- wind aided sprints
- all types of various shock drops in different positions
- all types of ballistic / explosive lifts
- playing with concentrated loading of sprints, lifts, or plyos, then tapering off and trying to obtain more PR's
the possibilities for improvement are endless, yet untapped.. athletes get content training in the norm, which for most of their training career is where they should be, but to truly push the limits after reaching what seems to be the utmost peak in athleticism, some crazy motherfucking shit can be implemented.
peace man
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ok, but i have a low amount of strength but i am still fast, if i could up my strength massively..i would become very very fast would'nt I? I ran 13's freshman year and increased my squat very slightly and ran 12.3, so yea it happens pretty fast for me
but i know everyone is different, i have to say, i admit that i think almost every great sprinter is a genetic freak, but there are some that work super super hard..not usain though, friken lucky SOB
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ok, but i have a low amount of strength but i am still fast, if i could up my strength massively..i would become very very fast would'nt I? I ran 13's freshman year and increased my squat very slightly and ran 12.3, so yea it happens pretty fast for me
for sure man.. most people will get faster if they:
- improve squat & lunge
- keep sprinting & improve fitness
those both go hand in hand.. if you neglect either one though, then squat may improve with speed staying the same or getting worse, etc.. say if you get squat addicted and don't get your sprint/tempo sessions in like you normally do, then fitness/reactive strength drops and you get slower.
but i know everyone is different, i have to say, i admit that i think almost every great sprinter is a genetic freak, but there are some that work super super hard..not usain though, friken lucky SOB
yea you basically have to look at their numbers while they were at high school age, that tells you everything.. most every sprinter you look up will have great times in h.s., i can't even think of any right now off the top of my head that didn't :/ but you have alot of room to improve, 11.8 at your strength level/age is not bad at all.. that training yo uare doing is having a big impact.
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Yay for my long heel and short toes!
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but i know everyone is different, i have to say, i admit that i think almost every great sprinter is a genetic freak, but there are some that work super super hard..not usain though, friken lucky SOB
yea you basically have to look at their numbers while they were at high school age, that tells you everything.. most every sprinter you look up will have great times in h.s., i can't even think of any right now off the top of my head that didn't :/ but you have alot of room to improve, 11.8 at your strength level/age is not bad at all.. that training yo uare doing is having a big impact.
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that's why i agree that most high school coaches don't know what they are doing
like we have alot of genetic freaks on the track team...well only the top guys are super genetic freaks really
one guy looks like he is a bodybuilder, and does'nt even lift that much, i mean huge, though he is super short
he runs 100m better than me
another is a guy who is just crazy, his brother plays for the NO saints and he is running 11.1
anyway i keep getting faster
but i am curious about this short heel thing, what does that mean? like how do i tell if my heel is long or short? i know i have long toes (tmi prolly) and i have a realatively long achilies tendon and small-medium sized calf
I have small joints and long limbs 2
so i think i have sprinter structure but i could just be the run of the mill guy though..idk what exactly is this sprinter structure...
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I don't know about the whole toe/heel ratio or whatever. But, to BMULLY, hard work always pays off. You may not be an elite, but in high school you can get pretty far. Freshman year I was nothing special, not the slowest but I definitely wouldn't be considered fast. Now, I'm at the top with a few others. I don't expect to be world class, but I do expect to be someone other athletes look out for.
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I don't know about the whole toe/heel ratio or whatever. But, to BMULLY, hard work always pays off. You may not be an elite, but in high school you can get pretty far. Freshman year I was nothing special, not the slowest but I definitely wouldn't be considered fast. Now, I'm at the top with a few others. I don't expect to be world class, but I do expect to be someone other athletes look out for.
yea i went from slowest to top 5 in a year..hopefully i'll be Number #1 this year and it just might happen 2 cuz we are lossing a few guys
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I went up as well in a single year. Unfortunately last year our school got bumped to 4A, making us the smallest one in the state, competition was pretty rough for me.
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I went up as well in a single year. Unfortunately last year our school got bumped to 4A, making us the smallest one in the state, competition was pretty rough for me.
actually we are 4A but we are private so we raced against the big schools and the small schools
anyway for state there is no class system in track in my state
anyway i wanna make it to playoff(maybe not state) at least once in my high school career
i ran 3rd in varsity this year but some of the guys where hurt or got kicked of the team
and we have a new coach and he is a total jerk who doesn't know shit about what he is doing
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That's unfortunate. I was first in the 110m hurdles in my school, second in the 300m hurdles, and second in long jump (not because I'm good at that one but because very few people do it)
I made it to region but did really poorly in my events. I got put in the 4x400 at last minute and surprised the team, I helped us get to state but I didn't do too well there. That's part of why I want to focus some more on the 400m this year.
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That's unfortunate. I was first in the 110m hurdles in my school, second in the 300m hurdles, and second in long jump (not because I'm good at that one but because very few people do it)
I made it to region but did really poorly in my events. I got put in the 4x400 at last minute and surprised the team, I helped us get to state but I didn't do too well there. That's part of why I want to focus some more on the 400m this year.
my times as of sophomore year season
100m-12.3FAT
200m-24.8FAT
400m-55.8FAT
^^those are slow but i am faster now...i have been telling every1 that i estimate a 11.8 100m now maybe better
so i need to go to an open track meet and put my $ where my mouth is and do that 11.8 or better
but this is what coach told me i need to do or he will put me on 800m where supposedly i will improve faster and have a better time making it 2 state one day...WHICH IS COMPLETE SHIT!!800m is still hard to improve in and I am not good at distance at all...i don't even like 400m
times i need to stay on sprinter team(these would probably be fastest on our team next year as well)
100m-11.5 or under
200m-23flat or under(which doesn't make sense 2 me cuz this would be very hard)
400m-under 55 (he never got the memo that i did 55seconds i guess)
anyway he never actually knew my pr's...thought i was running 12.5 in 100m 25 in 200m and 58 in 400m
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i don't even like 400m
Oh, no wai!?
I don't think anyone enjoys that.
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i don't even like 400m
Oh, no wai!?
I don't think anyone enjoys that.
tell me about it..plus my main and best event is 200m which is conveniently after the 400m so i don't get as best as i could cuz i am tired
i ran 4 events every meet...400m was bad but try doing it again in the 4x400m..then you now the meaning of pain
if i had it my way i'd just do 100m, 4x100m, and 200m then maybe a 4x400m at the end
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i don't even like 400m
Oh, no wai!?
I don't think anyone enjoys that.
i ran 4 events every meet...400m was bad but try doing it again in the 4x400m..then you now the meaning of pain
Coaches made me do a similar thing at the final meet of the year. Pissed me off. They preached a philosophy of training for the team. I did not really care for the performance of some high school track team, especially when it conflicts with the improvement of my own performance. Thus, Joe no longer does track at school.
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i don't even like 400m
Oh, no wai!?
I don't think anyone enjoys that.
i ran 4 events every meet...400m was bad but try doing it again in the 4x400m..then you now the meaning of pain
Coaches made me do a similar thing at the final meet of the year. Pissed me off. They preached a philosophy of training for the team. I did not really care for the performance of some high school track team, especially when it conflicts with the improvement of my own performance. Thus, Joe no longer does track at school.
does joe do open meets? i love track, hate team...and i'm in it for myself cuz if i was not the coach would make me run 800m which if that happens...bmully no longer does track at school....but that's if i do not get the events i want
i really wish i only did 100m, 200m, then the 400m was after the 200m
this is how track is
there are guys like me and joe who work hard...actually come to practice but it's really a waste of our time since we know more about training than the coach..anyway we come to every practice...then some guys who are genetic freaks, are super unflexible and really never have to try hard show up and take our spot.... they run pretty fast times but never make it to state...and sometimes they get hurt
while i miss 1 practice and i had 2 run with distance squad the next day...which actually counted as 2 days according 2 coach...anyway i missed 1 day then the next meet i had 2 run only 800m and 4x400m(which i have to mention was the worst team possible with all freshman and slow kids)
so yea, i hate high school track
i have another story but i think I'll save that for another rant lol
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Once I feel I've reached a good level of speed I, Joe, will consider open meets.
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Once I feel I've reached a good level of speed I, Joe, will consider open meets.
I bobby has considered open meets but time is not on my side...they all happen to be miles away and there seem to be really really good runners there but at least you get an automatic time
and i think joe should be cool and only do it if he feels like it
and i think joe is getting pissed i am using his name in such a weird way
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Once I feel I've reached a good level of speed I, Joe, will consider open meets.
I bobby has considered open meets but time is not on my side...they all happen to be miles away and there seem to be really really good runners there but at least you get an automatic time
and i think joe should be cool and only do it if he feels like it
and i think joe is getting pissed i am using his name in such a weird way
Lol.
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That is NOT how high school track should be. (This is probably why I love my team so much) And the 400m hurts... a lot. But I love it... I hate it... but I love it :D haha
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That is NOT how high school track should be. (This is probably why I love my team so much) And the 400m hurts... a lot. But I love it... I hate it... but I love it :D haha
o hell yea...i love the people on my track team...we goof around all the time
hey freestyling rapping on the bus ride there and back is soooo much fun
and i don't like relays but when i am in 1 i would tear myself to shreds so i can win it for my team..that's why they always make me anchor in a much needed relay win
but 4x100m is soooo hard in hand off... only in practice i mess up but in real thing i never mess up
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Usually I would mess up in the real thing on that one. haha
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Usually I would mess up in the real thing on that one. haha
i never did 4x100m till this year..and i have to say it's hard as hell...i did it like twice in JH and then i was by far the fastest kid on the team so it was an easy hand off...plus no rules we could look back and what not
I hate the fact that my coach wants us to switch hands on each hand off...we end up just changing it for the real meet and keep it all right hand because it actually slows us down
4x400m hand off is actually hard when you suck at hand offs as much as i do
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I think 4x400 hand-off is the easiest. My coach is making us do blind hand-offs for that one too now though. That's okay, our team is pretty tight, we click really well.
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I think 4x400 hand-off is the easiest. My coach is making us do blind hand-offs for that one too now though. That's okay, our team is pretty tight, we click really well.
same every1 gets along cool on the track team...i mean we get shitted on $ wise and never get announcements (girls do haha) but we are all cool cuz it's just a bunch of the fastest football players and some other guys that are also cool doing stupid workouts from a coach who is a lame brain
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I'm glad I have the coaches that I do. I'd hate to have coaches that don't really know what they're talking about.