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Title: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 10, 2012, 11:46:37 am
Post any sprint related videos in this thread!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF2CJONmUOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqhxWHdLWFY
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on October 10, 2012, 02:10:29 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrlPmK4B94

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEIxpcYukqc

training vids are fun to watch, i like them more than the contest vids.. running up those mountains would be pretty fun.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 10, 2012, 11:53:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSjpMxRZtZI
Wish I was fast enough to do that haha
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on October 10, 2012, 11:57:16 pm
^^ swag.. hah
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 14, 2012, 10:03:55 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lltJqltPCzs
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on October 14, 2012, 11:53:37 am
Train like usain bolt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_KrJf9uic

A lot of weight lifting workouts, as well as core work and other workout routines.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 17, 2012, 12:40:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ0U0rzgKSA
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 24, 2012, 12:54:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQw9sm3La1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDdGJijw7X8
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on October 24, 2012, 08:28:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQw9sm3La1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDdGJijw7X8

Nice and informative video (referring to the last video)
 :highfive:
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: TKXII on November 17, 2012, 06:41:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKWoIWaAfM

he takes 42 strides per 100m.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-blogs/track-and-field/bolt-blake-follow-gatlin-into-olympic-100-final.html

usain bolt: 41
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: TKXII on November 20, 2012, 11:48:56 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijnmQb0Yk9c
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on March 11, 2013, 02:01:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1bSrHiBU4U
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on April 21, 2013, 08:48:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohT_zoodqfU
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on August 12, 2013, 01:37:27 pm
Pavel Maslak in the  400m with a new Czech record of 44.84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgtQwyqEhpM

Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on August 19, 2013, 08:54:45 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qycST7ghgTg

I was surprised to find out that Gemili is only 5'6. Usually short guys are more impressive at 100m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuLamqgtceo

"Bolt ran pretty well on the curve and made a nice transition on the straight and controlled the race. He was running out of steam at the end though - his speed endurance wasn't quite there. He will be very, very relieved that he has been able to hold off the other runners this time. He basically had it won after 100m"- Michael Johnson
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on August 21, 2013, 12:30:20 pm

I was surprised to find out that Gemili is only 5'6. Usually short guys are more impressive at 100m.


That listing must be from when he was like 15.  He's around 5'9 now.  Certainly not 5'6.  He's also listed at 128lbs.  LOL. 
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: vag on August 21, 2013, 12:52:08 pm
^ Found it : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/Team-GB/competitors/9424326/Adam-Gemili-Team-GB-London-2012-Olympics.html
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on August 21, 2013, 01:04:32 pm
Thanks for the clarification. Saw his height on Wikipedia :uhhhfacepalm:
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Joe on August 21, 2013, 01:10:36 pm
^ Found it : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/Team-GB/competitors/9424326/Adam-Gemili-Team-GB-London-2012-Olympics.html

wtf according to that he only started training for athletics in October 2011 and started to "solely focus on the sport." in Jan 2012.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on August 21, 2013, 04:57:24 pm
Yeah, i remember him talking about that he started recently after he stopped playing football.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on August 27, 2013, 08:18:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-HKEZwwInQ

I see usain bolt has a good form out the block, the middle guy collapses on his second step and yohan blake, his start looks very strange, especially as he is keeping very low and big lean.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 16, 2013, 04:25:38 am
Stephen Francis training group doing 300m intervals. Have a look at their times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACUl96_zcQ
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Joe on September 16, 2013, 06:14:40 am
Holy shit Asafa.

Edit: this reminds me I really want that Farah v Bolt 600m race to happen now
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 16, 2013, 09:05:53 am
Holy shit Asafa.

Edit: this reminds me I really want that Farah v Bolt 600m race to happen now

I heard David Rudisha (the 800m runner) was going to have either a 400m or 500m race with Bolt. If it's 400m I think Bolt has too much speed for him. If it's 500 it makes a lot more sense since Bolt is the worlds best 200m runner and Rudisha is the world's best 800m runner so 500m is in the middle. That could go either way in a 500m because Rudisha has incredible speed endurance.

Farah V Bolt in the 600m would be interesting as well but I'd prefer to see Bolt V Rudisha in a 500m. Farah is a very versatile runner who holds world class times in any distance from 1500m up to 10,000m, and he's got a reputation for having a lot of speed. Bolt is probably too lazy to train properly to race a 600m so I wouldn't be surprised if Farah won. A better matchup would be Tyson Gay  V Farah in a 600 but that's obviously never going to happen now.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on September 16, 2013, 10:53:25 am
god asafa's head doesn't move even a little bit. might as well be riding a turbocharged segway.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 19, 2013, 12:03:39 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5epQxAQOs
The Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one athletic club. Stephen Francis and MVP Track & Field Club have taken unknown athletes and made them the world's best. Nobody was a star before they came to MVP. The key to the success is the ability to spot potential when it does not manifest in current high performance.
Bad judgment about people's potential is often caused by "high performance blindness" -- the idea that current high performance automatically equals high potential. But the crux of talent identification can be boiled down into one sentence: "What you see is not what you get." To spot real potential you must be able to look beyond what you see right now. As Stephen Francis puts it:
"Identifying potential is not about looking for what you see. It's about looking for what you could see".
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on September 24, 2013, 09:43:16 am

The Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one athletic club. Stephen Francis and MVP Track & Field Club have taken unknown athletes and made them the world's best. Nobody was a star before they came to MVP. The key to the success is the ability to spot potential when it does not manifest in current high performance.
Bad judgment about people's potential is often caused by "high performance blindness" -- the idea that current high performance automatically equals high potential. But the crux of talent identification can be boiled down into one sentence: "What you see is not what you get." To spot real potential you must be able to look beyond what you see right now. As Stephen Francis puts it:
"Identifying potential is not about looking for what you see. It's about looking for what you could see".

God that video is ridiculous.   A bunch of crap so that guy can sell more books.  MVP trains on grass AND a really nice track.  Also, really... Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one club?  I wonder what Glen Mills and Racers would have to say about that.  They are only responsible for um... sweeping the 200m and going 1-2 in the 100m in London...  Not to mention that since the 1970s and the days of Donald Quarrie and Merlene Ottey the Jamaicans have a history of continued success in the sprints and when you factor in the size of the country a really astounding  pattern of dominance on the world level.....

Pretty much whenever you hear that success comes down to "THIS ONE KEY NON-INTUITIVE THING"..... there will be someone trying to sell you that secret key ingredient...  Not surprisingly, the narrator is a motivational speaker who wrote a popular book on what makes people successful with the ridiculous title of "Leader DNA".   His next round will be a bunch of crap about the secrets to athletics.   People love to believe their is some large secret to success apart from hard work, talent, and resources. 
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on September 24, 2013, 10:24:20 am
yeah i figured the grass training thing was bullshit. jamaica probably spends more per capita on sprinting than any other country (nb: i made that up, but don't you believe it?). no way they don't have ridiculously nice facilities.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 24, 2013, 11:11:16 am

The Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one athletic club. Stephen Francis and MVP Track & Field Club have taken unknown athletes and made them the world's best. Nobody was a star before they came to MVP. The key to the success is the ability to spot potential when it does not manifest in current high performance.
Bad judgment about people's potential is often caused by "high performance blindness" -- the idea that current high performance automatically equals high potential. But the crux of talent identification can be boiled down into one sentence: "What you see is not what you get." To spot real potential you must be able to look beyond what you see right now. As Stephen Francis puts it:
"Identifying potential is not about looking for what you see. It's about looking for what you could see".

God that video is ridiculous.   A bunch of crap so that guy can sell more books.  MVP trains on grass AND a really nice track.  Also, really... Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one club?  I wonder what Glen Mills and Racers would have to say about that.  They are only responsible for um... sweeping the 200m and going 1-2 in the 100m in London...  Not to mention that since the 1970s and the days of Donald Quarrie and Merlene Ottey the Jamaicans have a history of continued success in the sprints and when you factor in the size of the country a really astounding  pattern of dominance on the world level.....

Pretty much whenever you hear that success comes down to "THIS ONE KEY NON-INTUITIVE THING"..... there will be someone trying to sell you that secret key ingredient...  Not surprisingly, the narrator is a motivational speaker who wrote a popular book on what makes people successful with the ridiculous title of "Leader DNA".   His next round will be a bunch of crap about the secrets to athletics.   People love to believe their is some large secret to success apart from hard work, talent, and resources.

Genetics certainly comes down to it no doubt. However, there are parts of the video that I agree with. Go to any junior development program throughout the world and they'll focus on the best athletes at that age judged upon their times or their height at the time. I seen it growing up in basketball. Guys that weren't even that good and were tall only coz they had hit puberty a few years before everybody else. You could see they had facial hair and were solidly built already and they were still only 12 and 13. 5 years later they're tweeners when their whole life since U10 they've been touted as Australia's next best Centre. The trouble with these programs is that they regurgitate the same players year after year so if you're not in the state team by U12 by U18 it's still going to be pretty much the same team as it was in U12 because coaches have already invested so much time and resources into these players they don't want to let them go. By the time these players are in state league they've given up on basketball or they are out playing D2 or D3. 
Of the guys I know from my state that are playing professional basketball atm none of them were in a state team except Yan who played state since U16s as a bench player. 2 of the starters of the state team every year in that cohort from U10 to state league don't even play basketball anymore. In contrast you've got a guy like Adam Doyle who couldn't even play in D1 in juniors let alone a state team, yet now he's a development player in the NBL. With guys like Adam who persist with the sport sometimes it pays off but a lot of the time it won't, and the players end up quitting basketball and playing footy or just quitting sports altogether.

Usain Bolt is a freak. He could coach himself and he'd still be a world class athlete. I got a lot more respect for coaches like Charlie Francis and Stephen Francis who take guys like Ben Johnson and Asafa Powell from being mediocre sprinters to world class athletes. In terms of Jamaican sprint success it also comes down to culture. Track is their number 1 sport so their are a lot more opportunities for talent to be exposed. Even cricket is big in Jamaica and that's initially what Usain Bolt wanted to be- a cricket player. However, he wasn't that good at it and his coach obviously saw his raw speed so pointed him in the direction of track. Who knows if Usain was a great cricketer when he was younger maybe he wouldn't of even pursued sprinting. Personally I think USA has a lot more sprinting talent than Jamaica does it just doesn't get expressed because people there are playing other sports or are too busy being gangsters. West African countries like Sierra Leone, Mali, Liberia, and Senegal are going to be the next big talents in sprinting once they overcome poverty and civil wars in their countries. I think the point about the track and resources was also one about making the most of what you've got. Those West African countries I just mentioned have populations less than 10 million but all have National Records in the 10.0s and 10.1s. Imagine if the majority of their populations weren't living a struggle to survive, soccer wasn't their national sport, and they also had the access to  physios, doctors, sport scientists and exercise physiologists etc.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on September 24, 2013, 11:54:56 am
^^^true, true. reminds me of the gladwell-popularized fact that most NHL players are born in the first third of the year. the theory goes that kids born earlier in the year tend to be older for their grade or division than kids born later in the year. the 9 or 10 months can make a big difference when you're little, so early-birthday kids are overselected for competitive teams because they're just bigger and stronger and more coordinated than kids younger than they are. path dependency takes over and the relatively younger kids never make up the gap.

or so i comfort my november-born, always-one-of-the-youngest-kids-in-the-class self.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Joe on September 24, 2013, 12:03:33 pm
^^^true, true. reminds me of the gladwell-popularized fact that most NHL players are born in the first third of the year. the theory goes that kids born earlier in the year tend to be older for their grade or division than kids born later in the year. the 9 or 10 months can make a big difference when you're little, so early-birthday kids are overselected for competitive teams because they're just bigger and stronger and more coordinated than kids younger than they are. path dependency takes over and the relatively younger kids never make up the gap.

or so i comfort my november-born, always-one-of-the-youngest-kids-in-the-class self.

I'm going to make sure my kid gets held back in kindergarten
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 24, 2013, 12:06:21 pm
^^^true, true. reminds me of the gladwell-popularized fact that most NHL players are born in the first third of the year. the theory goes that kids born earlier in the year tend to be older for their grade or division than kids born later in the year. the 9 or 10 months can make a big difference when you're little, so early-birthday kids are overselected for competitive teams because they're just bigger and stronger and more coordinated than kids younger than they are. path dependency takes over and the relatively younger kids never make up the gap.

or so i comfort my november-born, always-one-of-the-youngest-kids-in-the-class self.

Yeah I'm born in October so I was always playing against the older kids. In basketball it was always beneficial for me when I was in 2nd year of my age group because playing with older guys made me a better player than the majority of the 1st years who were coming up as 1st years even though they were born only Jan/Feb 1991 instead of Oct 1990. The downside to it was that I was playing district in U14s already by the time I was 11 while I had friends who were 10 and born in April still playing district as 2nd year U10s or 1st year U12s. 
I was lucky in athletics though because the cut off was actually September (just before the season starts) so I was always the oldest in my age group, which was beneficial for me. I think they've changed it back to January for age groups but at that time it was September.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on September 24, 2013, 01:33:28 pm
^^^true, true. reminds me of the gladwell-popularized fact that most NHL players are born in the first third of the year. the theory goes that kids born earlier in the year tend to be older for their grade or division than kids born later in the year. the 9 or 10 months can make a big difference when you're little, so early-birthday kids are overselected for competitive teams because they're just bigger and stronger and more coordinated than kids younger than they are. path dependency takes over and the relatively younger kids never make up the gap.

or so i comfort my november-born, always-one-of-the-youngest-kids-in-the-class self.

I'm going to make sure my kid gets held back in kindergarten

yeah i mean on the one hand i always felt extra smart and awesome being the youngest. on the other hand, being among the older kids has huge advantages and not just for sports. my parents just decided i was ready for kindergarten when i was four, and that was that.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on September 25, 2013, 04:30:22 am

Genetics certainly comes down to it no doubt. However, there are parts of the video that I agree with. Go to any junior development program throughout the world and they'll focus on the best athletes at that age judged upon their times or their height at the time. I seen it growing up in basketball. Guys that weren't even that good and were tall only coz they had hit puberty a few years before everybody else. You could see they had facial hair and were solidly built already and they were still only 12 and 13. 5 years later they're tweeners when their whole life since U10 they've been touted as Australia's next best Centre. The trouble with these programs is that they regurgitate the same players year after year so if you're not in the state team by U12 by U18 it's still going to be pretty much the same team as it was in U12 because coaches have already invested so much time and resources into these players they don't want to let them go. By the time these players are in state league they've given up on basketball or they are out playing D2 or D3. 
Of the guys I know from my state that are playing professional basketball atm none of them were in a state team except Yan who played state since U16s as a bench player. 2 of the starters of the state team every year in that cohort from U10 to state league don't even play basketball anymore. In contrast you've got a guy like Adam Doyle who couldn't even play in D1 in juniors let alone a state team, yet now he's a development player in the NBL. With guys like Adam who persist with the sport sometimes it pays off but a lot of the time it won't, and the players end up quitting basketball and playing footy or just quitting sports altogether.


This is a good point when it comes to a weird sport like basketball where athleticism is semi-important and height is essential...   However, the only effect of most other sports is that players who could be very good don't get enough focus on them which deprives them of hitting their potential.  This doesn't cause a program to lose out on athletes who could actually be great.  Great athletes don't miss the cut cause they were born in November.  I grew up with Nate Robinson.  That guy was stronger and more explosive than all of us and the kids who were three and four years older than him from the time he was about 7 years old.   He was also straight up fearless.   The point is a really great athlete will still be good enough to shine at the junior level against athletes with "false advantages" liked advanced height cause they grew sooner.   In a sport like basketball this is a lot more important when a really talented kid might get written off despite his skill because he is "too frail" but in track or a sport like American football you WILL shine despite age/height disadvantages if you are a world class talent. 


Usain Bolt is a freak. He could coach himself and he'd still be a world class athlete. I got a lot more respect for coaches like Charlie Francis and Stephen Francis who take guys like Ben Johnson and Asafa Powell from being mediocre sprinters to world class athletes. In terms of Jamaican sprint success it also comes down to culture. Track is their number 1 sport so their are a lot more opportunities for talent to be exposed. Even cricket is big in Jamaica and that's initially what Usain Bolt wanted to be- a cricket player. However, he wasn't that good at it and his coach obviously saw his raw speed so pointed him in the direction of track.


This Stephen Francis story of taking Asafa Powell from mediocre to world class is REALLY overblown.  Asafa Powell's entire family is fast.   His brother was already a world class sprinter by the time Powell was "discovered" and his Mom is probably faster than most people here.  Sure there is the story of him running 11.4 or something in high-school.  But from what I have heard he essentially got encouraged to sprint by his brother and grudgingly ran for one of his first times and didn't really know how to use blocks but was able to stand up and chase a fair amount of the kids down.  Recognizing that the kid might have some potential when they run 11.4 into a headwind without really training or knowing what they are doing isn't exactly rocket science.   Asafa Powell wasn't discovered before he had developed, he just didn't really know how to run!


Who knows if Usain was a great cricketer when he was younger maybe he wouldn't of even pursued sprinting. Personally I think USA has a lot more sprinting talent than Jamaica does it just doesn't get expressed because people there are playing other sports or are too busy being gangsters.

Really... we are the ones too busy being gangsters????  Jamaicas murder rate in 2005 was 58/100k (almost all gang related gun-violence) the murder rate in the US hasn't been higher than 5/100k since pre 2000.   I think Jamaicans spend A LOT more time being gangsters than Americans. 



West African countries like Sierra Leone, Mali, Liberia, and Senegal are going to be the next big talents in sprinting once they overcome poverty and civil wars in their countries. I think the point about the track and resources was also one about making the most of what you've got. Those West African countries I just mentioned have populations less than 10 million but all have National Records in the 10.0s and 10.1s. Imagine if the majority of their populations weren't living a struggle to survive, soccer wasn't their national sport, and they also had the access to  physios, doctors, sport scientists and exercise physiologists etc.

I don't think we will find out in the near future because overcoming poverty doesn't look like it's going to happen too fast.  But, I'd rather know what the 100th fastest runner is doing than the fastest if I was going to judge the countries potential.  I assume your suggesting that they have a genetic advantage.  Possible but as Jamaica has shown, culture is number 1 when it comes to sports.   Only Jamaica and a few other west indian countries really focus on track as a national sport.  That will always be number one. 
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 25, 2013, 07:56:38 am
In individual sports you can shine out or in sports that are predominantly based upon athleticism e.g American Football. However, most sports around the world are team sports and athleticism doesn't really play as big a part as skill does. Don't get me wrong if you have 2 guys with equal skill than athleticism will most likely be the deciding factor. Although, take sports that are globally popular like soccer, rugby, cricket etc. In all of those sports there are all development pathways. If you don't get in the development pathway early it becomes really hard to cement a spot later on in life. If you're a freak like that American ex-track athlete who runs 100 in 10.13 FAT or whatever than you might get an opportunity to play rugby 7s or whatever later on in life based of your potential. Yet 99% of players are never going to have outstanding athleticism like that so they depend on the pathways and the system to get into professional sport. Thus, being born later in a year is going to be a disadvantage in comparison to being born earlier in the year.
Another huge factor that gets neglected in team sports is the players you have around you. If you're surrounded by good players and playing in a winning team you're always going to stand out better than you would playing in a team of less talented players. E.g you're a striker in soccer. You could be a brilliant striker but if you're playing in a bottom team you're not getting as many opportunities to score goals as you would if you were playing in a stronger team.

The Aussies on this forum could also attest to the fact that lately there's been a lot of mature age AFL players getting recruited. Everybody in the public and the commentators all question how these players couldn't possibly have been spotted earlier on. Yet like I just explained it's easy for talented players to go through their sporting life unspotted if they're not in the development system. You can have all the talent scouts in the world but if those talent scouts are only checking out the top teams or players in the top leagues than there's always going to be a few diamonds in the rough that slip through un-noticed until they persevere long enough with their sports to shine and eventually pick up spots in feeder leagues to get noticed.

As far as an untrained 11.4 goes I wouldn't say it would turn heads. If the coaches knew about his brothers and family than they would give him a shot and think he's probably got a lot of untapped potential. But if you went to a track meet and just saw somebody running 11.4 for the first time you're not going to think that they are ever going to run 9.7s one day. In comparison the first time Australia's fastest man Patrick Johnson ever competed he ran 10.49! He went on to run 9.93. Like you've said before some athletes peak when they're 18 others peak when they're 35 it's impossible to tell when somebody is going to be at their best.

Well USA has 300 million people and say 10% of them descend from West African roots. That's still 30 million. The laws of probability favours there being more talent in the USA than Jamaica. Aside from culture,  the other factor to consider with USA is that it's not the best environment for track. The southern states like Cali, Florida, and Texas are a production line for elite and world class sprinters. Go up North to places like Chicago, New York, Baltimore etc. you're not going to get the track times because of the conditions- cold, wet and snow.  Geographically Jamaica has better weather conditions for track than the majority of the USA does.

Edit- That's what I like about track though. It's objective. Sure you're racing against other people but at the end of the day if you're a recreational athlete than it just comes down to you against the clock.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on September 25, 2013, 10:20:08 am
^^^that. the same goes for something like baseball, where the coaching you get and the level of play around you has a HUGE impact on how well you develop. i have a friend who saw five kids in his high school class get drafted by MLB teams. is that because peabody, massachusetts has an unusually high number of freakishly talented baseball players? no, it's because all the boys play baseball and the athletic kids are funneled to baseball and coached very well from a young age. they won the babe ruth league world series when my buddy was 14. and when the initial selection is going on, the kids who are ahead developmentally have an advantage. that's not to say that some younger kids don't eventually rise to the top, or even that some younger kids aren't always obviously more athletic (viz. nate robinson). but it is to say that, in aggregate, relatively older kids have an advantage.

don't take my word for it, go check out the various pieces the science of sport guys have done on this over the years:

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/01/matthew-effect.html

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2013/02/long-term-athlete-development.html

also, one other point: i think that, even for "pure" sports like track and field or swimming, it's actually not that interesting to look at people like asafa, bolt, michael phelps, etc. they are true freaks and it's hard to extrapolate anything from them. how many guys have run 9.7? like, six? but dozens have run 10.0 and hundreds have run 10.3, which is still an elite time! i feel like you can learn much more interesting to look at the broader picture of elite athletes.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on September 25, 2013, 04:53:57 pm
I agree wtih what your saying especially for a sport like Rugby or AFL.  I don't know those sports too well but from what it seems they don't seem to be as obsessed with measurables like bench/squat/40yd as American football and they seem to have a strong component of team oriented success.  So if your on a really bad rugby team and your not extremely fast you might not look very good if your on a poor team....

As far as an untrained 11.4 goes I wouldn't say it would turn heads. If the coaches knew about his brothers and family than they would give him a shot and think he's probably got a lot of untapped potential. But if you went to a track meet and just saw somebody running 11.4 for the first time you're not going to think that they are ever going to run 9.7s one day. In comparison the first time Australia's fastest man Patrick Johnson ever competed he ran 10.49! He went on to run 9.93. Like you've said before some athletes peak when they're 18 others peak when they're 35 it's impossible to tell when somebody is going to be at their best.

I think it really all depends on the 11.4  Patrick Johnson's first time competing surely wasn't his first time running... That's a big difference.  It really depends on the story you believe but from what I heard Asafa wasn't really a sportsman much at all.... He was just into cars and was essentially a chubby untrained kid who ran an 11.4.   That IS impressive.  Sure, I guess some coaches would assume if you aren't sub 11 as a 18 year old you have no chance so I guess Stephen Francis deserves some credit for identifying talent...   But given the mitigating circumstances around the performance AND his family background I don't think that it was a huge as a leap to assume he might have observed a talented sprinter as the stories claim.   


Well USA has 300 million people and say 10% of them descend from West African roots. That's still 30 million. The laws of probability favours there being more talent in the USA than Jamaica. Aside from culture,  the other factor to consider with USA is that it's not the best environment for track. The southern states like Cali, Florida, and Texas are a production line for elite and world class sprinters. Go up North to places like Chicago, New York, Baltimore etc. you're not going to get the track times because of the conditions- cold, wet and snow.  Geographically Jamaica has better weather conditions for track than the majority of the USA does.
Edit- That's what I like about track though. It's objective. Sure you're racing against other people but at the end of the day if you're a recreational athlete than it just comes down to you against the clock.

I believe it's a bit short-sighted to think that West-African roots are a prerequisite for sprinting talent.   The law of statistical genetics favors that you don't have evidence that West-African roots are cause sprinting success.   Additionally, you can't argue that genetics are so important and then claim that the US has 30 million people with the same genetic predisposition as Jamaicans.   Jamaica is a tiny island populated rapidly during a short period of the slave trade.  The founder effect suggests that it's easily possible for Jamacians to have a distinct genetic advantage against African-Americans.  Personally, I think the genetic advantage is overblown.  Australias own fastest man is about the farthest you can be from genetically similar to Jamaicans!   From a scientists perspective I can tell you that there really isn't any evidence for any genetic difference which confers an advantage specific to sprinting or athleticism that has been observed in West African populations.  There are of course trends, most europeans tend to have shorter limbs and larger thoracic cavities relative to their height than most africans.   But these are general differences and their are numerous exceptions on both sides...  I think when you live in Los Angeles for a day and go to any urban track after 6pm in the school year and see about 200 kids ages 4 literally running till they are sick with a coach yelling in their face.... And not one kid is white... You appreciate just how much culture matters.





Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 26, 2013, 01:04:48 am
As far as Patrick Johnson times.
That's a transcript from 2003
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s933058.htm

In 2013 he had a long interview talking about his life. Skip to 22.21 minutes where he starts talking about when he first started sprinting.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/08/28/3835543.htm

Given his longevity in the sport it certainly makes sense that he was able to sprint until his late 30s at a competitive level because his training age didn't match his chronological age.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZPNTroJf0

I'll concede that Asafa Powell was definitely a lot more talented than his time suggests especially if he was chubby. Throw in a favourable wind and that 11.4 could've easily been an 11.2. I also agree with you that the genetic factor is overblown. It takes time and patience as well as hard work, dedication, and a little luck to make it sprinting. Luck in the sense of avoiding injuries and peaking at the right times. Talent alone just isn't enough.
 
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on September 26, 2013, 03:51:56 am
Interesting on the Patrick Johnson story.  I find it a little hard to believe to be totally honest.  In some ways the story seems to suggest he was truly green, didn't know how to use blocks or spikes and ran a 10.47.  If that's true.... well then I can only say his coach surely doesn't deserve any awards.  I honestly can't see how someone who doesn't run can only record a PB of 0.5 seconds after years of training when compared to their first race.   Was the first race accurately timed?   People who truly don't run don't have enough speed endurance for the 100m.  They ACTUALLY get tired toward the end of the race.   The story talks about him racing people since he was 13 years old.... Just how "new" was he?   In Asafas case he was actually somewhat of a chubby geeky kid, rather than an athlete who just hadn't yet sprinted in an official capacity.  Either way I have always been in awe of Patrick Johnson, truly a great athlete.  His wikipedia page curiously lists him as the oldest man to run under under 10 seconds....  Despite the fact that Linford Christie did it while two years older than him in 1992 and 37 year old Kim Collins just did it recently.... I won't change it though.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 26, 2013, 04:48:57 am
Interesting on the Patrick Johnson story.  I find it a little hard to believe to be totally honest.  In some ways the story seems to suggest he was truly green, didn't know how to use blocks or spikes and ran a 10.47.  If that's true.... well then I can only say his coach surely doesn't deserve any awards.  I honestly can't see how someone who doesn't run can only record a PB of 0.5 seconds after years of training when compared to their first race.   Was the first race accurately timed?   People who truly don't run don't have enough speed endurance for the 100m.  They ACTUALLY get tired toward the end of the race.   The story talks about him racing people since he was 13 years old.... Just how "new" was he?   In Asafas case he was actually somewhat of a chubby geeky kid, rather than an athlete who just hadn't yet sprinted in an official capacity.  Either way I have always been in awe of Patrick Johnson, truly a great athlete.  His wikipedia page curiously lists him as the oldest man to run under under 10 seconds....  Despite the fact that Linford Christie did it while two years older than him in 1992 and 37 year old Kim Collins just did it recently.... I won't change it though.

I was talking to my cousin who has a PB of 10.08 and he still runs 10.2s at 32 years of age. His dream was to play rugby but despite his speed he never made it into the NRL or any professional leagues. Anyway I asked him how fast he was when he started sprinting again and he said he was running around 10.7s/10.8s electronic at 21. My cousin did do athletics when he was younger but not that seriously and his main focus was always on rugby league until about 19. I know another guy who has a PB of 10.50 he's 25 now. He has state records for 100m in U16- 10.85 and U18- 10.62. The other state record holder that I've mentioned on here before is this Asian guy called Derek who has a 100m PB of 10.84 and his state U14 record for 100m is 11.53. The best juniors don't always turn into the best sprinters, which is what that whole video was suggesting. Also it's a lot easier to improve from say 13-12 seconds than it is from 12-11. It than becomes a whole lot more difficult to improve from 11-10.5, let alone 10.5-sub 10.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on September 26, 2013, 08:31:31 am

I was talking to my cousin who has a PB of 10.08 and he still runs 10.2s at 32 years of age. His dream was to play rugby but despite his speed he never made it into the NRL or any professional leagues. Anyway I asked him how fast he was when he started sprinting again and he said he was running around 10.7s/10.8s electronic at 21. My cousin did do athletics when he was younger but not that seriously and his main focus was always on rugby league until about 19. I know another guy who has a PB of 10.50 he's 25 now. He has state records for 100m in U16- 10.85 and U18- 10.62. The other state record holder that I've mentioned on here before is this Asian guy called Derek who has a 100m PB of 10.84 and his state U14 record for 100m is 11.53. The best juniors don't always turn into the best sprinters, which is what that whole video was suggesting. Also it's a lot easier to improve from say 13-12 seconds than it is from 12-11. It than becomes a whole lot more difficult to improve from 11-10.5, let alone 10.5-sub 10.

First:

Totally agree.  11-10.5 is about 10000x easier than 10.5 to 10.0 and not just because 10.0 is obviously done by a much smaller fraction of the population but because of the mechanics of running in a fluid atmosphere.   Improving your bench from 200 to 300 is obviously easier than from 300 to 400 but not to the degree that 11-10.5 is easier than 10.5 to 10.0 because as your run faster and faster the degree to which you have to battle wind resistance goes up with respect to the square of your velocity.  That's the main reason Usain Bolt is only to run 1 second faster [~10% improvement, ~ 12% improvement in top speed ] than a low-class athlete like myself even though he is far greater.  Bolt spends much much more of his energy just battling drag; if the race were in a vacuum he would be something closer to 40% faster (I've course I would be beating his old PR so I wouldn't complain). 

That drag factor is really important to remember when we compare ourselves to elite sprinters.  The start of course complicates analysis as well but if we just compare our top speed I think we can roughly (and pretty roughly) approximate our ability by multiplying our percent deficit by about 2-8 to figure out where we are off.  I think this also falls in line with other sports performances.   For example the world record in the clean and jerk for 200lb is like 510lb.  10% off or about 460lb is IMO much more impressive than 10% off the worlds best top speed [ a hundred meter time of about 10.4-10.8 depending on start/SE].   

Second:

Despite that.....  While juniors don't often see huge improvements in sprinting and converted American football players and the like don't always see huge improvements....  The untrained ALWAYS do.   That's why I think it's really important to distinguish between a fast junior and a fast untrained time.   For comparison just think of the 400m.   Everyone but 400m sprinters are essentially untrained in the 400m.   That's why you might find an unexperienced sprinter who has a background in American football who runs 10.x but doesn't get that much better when he focuses on sprinting.... but you will always get much faster in the 400m.   It's why I argue that Patrick Johnsons first race was the equivalent of a fast junior time where Asafa Powells was more similar to an untrained sprint.   That said I agree totally that fast juniors don't always turn into great sprinters BUT unlike what the video was suggesting... SLOW juniors never do.   Asafa was a relatively slow untrained but not a slow junior IMO.

 I also think that what the video suggests as genius isn't necessarily a closely guarded trade secret... any decent coach knows the basics of evaluating talent and potential not just the coaches at MVP.   Essentially there are a few reasons fast juniors don't became even faster senior level runners.  The first is simply that they are stupid/unmotivated and don't continue to work hard.  The second is that their speed comes at very ideal strength to weight ratios (the main manipulable characteristic).   If I have three juniors who all run 10.5 but one is visibly chubby, one is lanky and non-muscular and one is muscular and lean.....  The chubby one will be the best ( simply dropping fat weight is ALWAYS the easiest way to improve all relative strength tests - sprinting/jumping etc), the lanky one will be the next best (adding muscle will improve his strength to weight ratios which usually translates into improved times) and the muscular lean one will be able to improve the least.   I know this.  And I'm not a great coach.   

*** Note I really really back of the enveloped those calculations.  Like back of the back of the back of the envelope.   I had worked out the physics of it once but I don't know exactly where I had the results.  The point is that drag makes sprinting faster and faster much harder than lifting more and more weight.... It is really fun to try and quantify the expected difference ( I said 2-8x because running is not just top speed and the figure changes depending on your speed ) and I think it's a useful exercise to appreciate sprinting speed of the greats.   It's also why I suggest people running for general fitness run the 400m.  There are SO many more pathways to improvement which is really rewarding.  If you are not experienced in the 400m you really can take your time down easily by 10-15 seconds which is a HUGE margin and much more than 4x the margin you could improve in the 100m.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on September 26, 2013, 08:37:24 am
how about slow seniors?  :trolldance:
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 26, 2013, 09:27:06 am
Since this thread has kind of turned into a discussion on development there's actually a competition going on in Australia atm called the Athletics Allstars. Basically it's a search for Australia's Fastest Man but it's also based upon potential because the aim is they want the sponsorship winner to compete in the 2016 Olympics Final.
http://www.athleticallstars.com.au/category/athletic-allstars.html
https://www.facebook.com/athleticallstars
http://www.youtube.com/user/AthleticAllstars

But yeah basically it's come down to 3 sprinters-
Tim Leathart
Andrew McCabe
Jarrod Geddes

This video talks about the 3-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=611924525525932&set=vb.172900612761661&type=2&theater

I honestly wouldn't know which one to pick to sponsor. Geddes is the youngest and lankiest but he's also been training since he was very young. Andrew McCabe is a hard worker and quality 200m runner but he's already pretty built and doesn't have the acceleration for 100m. If it's about 100m I wouldn't pick him. Leathart is the oldest but he's also come along way in the past couple of years progressing from 10.93 PR in 2009 to 10.24 in 2013. Although he's older his training age probably isn't that much higher than Geddes so it's an interesting one.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on September 30, 2013, 10:57:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKMa_wWH4LU
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 13, 2013, 10:45:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y3eNKi3mFw
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 14, 2013, 08:35:10 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rohudh9LmGw
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on March 17, 2014, 08:37:32 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIcstNfNks

U20 sprinter Josh Clarke ran a PB of 10.34 to comfortably qualify for World Juniors.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on July 15, 2014, 07:38:32 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNdvwbbws6o
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on July 21, 2014, 12:47:35 am
Carl Lewis Training Video
6x200m in 28 seconds with 90 second recovery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnOKtw7wf00
They make it look so easy.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: vag on July 21, 2014, 04:24:44 am
They make it look so easy.

This, they look, like they are comfortably jogging, dammit!

I was watching the recent diamond league, the 1500m winner did something like 3m:30s.
I am mentioning it here because it made me think of tempos when i watched it, the dude did 15x100m@14 seconds each, without recovery,  :o
Same thing at 800m, time was 1m:42s, so that dude did 8x100m@12,75s  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Fucking beasts!!!
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on July 21, 2014, 06:16:14 am
This reminds me of the london 2012 olympics 100m final, where asafa powell strained his groin or hamstring i think during the race half way through and slowed to a limping halt but still finished the race in 11.** seconds. how was he able to jog the rest and still get it under 12 seconds. he would beat a lot of us in that race after injuring himself lol
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on July 21, 2014, 08:49:49 am
They make it look so easy.

This, they look, like they are comfortably jogging, dammit!

I was watching the recent diamond league, the 1500m winner did something like 3m:30s.
I am mentioning it here because it made me think of tempos when i watched it, the dude did 15x100m@14 seconds each, without recovery,  :o
Same thing at 800m, time was 1m:42s, so that dude did 8x100m@12,75s  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Fucking beasts!!!

Yeah 800m runners are still fast because they need to have a lot of speed reserve in order to be able to sustain that sort of pace for 2 laps.
Most world class 800m runners can all run 400m in sub 48. To be able to run sub 48 you have to be able to sprint 200m in at least high 21s/low 22s. Of course to be able to do that you got to be high 10s/low 11s minimum. These are just conservative numbers the best of the best like Rudisha blow these figures away.


Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on July 21, 2014, 09:34:24 am
i may have been feeling like entropy last week, but having just done 4x200m in 29-32 with >2 mins rest, at least i'm not insane enough to compare myself to carl lewis. something to aspire to, in the way that averaging 450 over the course of a 25-match scrabble tournament is something to aspire to.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on July 25, 2014, 02:22:10 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx9WBRRkiPA
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on March 30, 2015, 09:49:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ZinQ2kzg8

Fastest time by an Australian in 5 years.
9th Fastest Australian of all time.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on May 04, 2015, 01:06:12 pm
USA beats Jamaica in 4x100, first time Jamaica has lost that race at WC level since 2007. Ryan Bailey held off Bolt with the anchor leg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCauFatxg2M
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 04, 2015, 01:56:56 pm
USA beats Jamaica in 4x100, first time Jamaica has lost that race at WC level since 2007. Ryan Bailey held off Bolt with the anchor leg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCauFatxg2M

I knew jamaica was going to lose if you have nickel ashmede and kemar bailey cole in the 2 and 3 leg and they are up against the giants of sprinting justin gatlin and tyson gay, which gave them a huge lead and ryan baily is fast enough to hold the lead for a while.

usain bolt needs to get into the leg where justin gatlin is so he can give them a lead and then have kemar baily cole and nickel ashmede at the end with the slowest at the last leg.
where was yohan blake.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on November 23, 2015, 01:15:31 am
Yeah 800m runners are still fast because they need to have a lot of speed reserve in order to be able to sustain that sort of pace for 2 laps.
Most world class 800m runners can all run 400m in sub 48. To be able to run sub 48 you have to be able to sprint 200m in at least high 21s/low 22s. Of course to be able to do that you got to be high 10s/low 11s minimum. These are just conservative numbers the best of the best like Rudisha blow these figures away.

Eh... Not really... You would be surprised.  For some of them your actually too conservative but your underestimating how different the variance is among sprinters when you say you have to run X to run Y...  I had a training partner who was a 51.x 400m hurdler, and had a PR of 47.9 in the open 400m.  He was 6'5 about 180 and had a long loping stride and there was no way he could crack 11 seconds in the 100m.  He had trouble getting significantly under 12 seconds.  His 200m PR was high 22's and in most open 200m he would actually run 23.x despite the fact that I have seen him split 22.8 in the first 200m of the 400m.   As sprinters get really really specialized you would be surprised how little general trends hold for them...  Additionally, I can look at myself of an example where all the trends break that other way - 6.67 60m, 10 mid in the 100m, 21.9 in the 200m, and 50.0 in the 400m...  Some people are good at making speed others excel at holding it... 
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on November 23, 2015, 07:28:10 am
Yeah 800m runners are still fast because they need to have a lot of speed reserve in order to be able to sustain that sort of pace for 2 laps.
Most world class 800m runners can all run 400m in sub 48. To be able to run sub 48 you have to be able to sprint 200m in at least high 21s/low 22s. Of course to be able to do that you got to be high 10s/low 11s minimum. These are just conservative numbers the best of the best like Rudisha blow these figures away.

Eh... Not really... You would be surprised.  For some of them your actually too conservative but your underestimating how different the variance is among sprinters when you say you have to run X to run Y...  I had a training partner who was a 51.x 400m hurdler, and had a PR of 47.9 in the open 400m.  He was 6'5 about 180 and had a long loping stride and there was no way he could crack 11 seconds in the 100m.  He had trouble getting significantly under 12 seconds.  His 200m PR was high 22's and in most open 200m he would actually run 23.x despite the fact that I have seen him split 22.8 in the first 200m of the 400m.   As sprinters get really really specialized you would be surprised how little general trends hold for them...  Additionally, I can look at myself of an example where all the trends break that other way - 6.67 60m, 10 mid in the 100m, 21.9 in the 200m, and 50.0 in the 400m...  Some people are good at making speed others excel at holding it...

That's amazing speed endurance!

You've got a good point about people specializing for distances and getting times below the trend.
Looking at my state we've got a few guys who have run 400m in sub 48. The 400/800 runners have 200m PBs in the low/mid 22's and low 11's for 100. My friend Wallace recently ran a 21.59 200m but he's never gone sub 49 despite regularly going sub 22 for the 200m. I know another guy called Michael who's run 21.69 and also 21.70 but he's never gone sub 50 before.

However, I still believe I've got a valid point when it comes to elite/world class sprinters needing a lot of speed reserve. Keeping with my state the 2 best recent 400m sprinters in my state have PBs of 45.62 and 45.95 in the 400m and their 200m PBs were 21.00 and 21.12 respectively. As your friend and the 800m specialists who have also run sub 48 in my state show, you don't need sub 11 speed to run sub 48, but to get to the elite level I still believe you need a lot of speed reserve. The 2 guys who I mentioned with 45.x second times both have 100m PBs in the mid 10s as well. Once again 10.50 for the 45.62 and 10.73 for the 45.95 guy.

Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: T0ddday on November 23, 2015, 12:31:52 pm
I agree that's it's going to be damn near impossible to run 45.x if you can't run sub 11.  The 400m has a large enough aerobic component that you can't realistically run your splits from the shorter races... 

I also agree that speed reserve is a really important training tool to be aware of - I was disappointed with what Bobby did to Allyson Felix this year in getting her to run the 400m, just completely neglected her 200m speed...   

However, the main disagreement that I have with you is that these trends hold true more for the elite world class guys.  In my time around the true outliers I realize that they are really the anomalous ones for which we can't make claims about.  The toronto raptors basketball team was training in our facility on Saturday - the first thing you notice is not that they are tall but that they all have ridiculously massive wingspans - almost comical.   Outliers are strange and they have capacities that don't make sense.   There are a bunch of calculators out their that predict times for the 100m, 200m, 400m, based on times for other races... In general they are actually pretty accurate if the athlete is in shape...  But they are least accurate for the outlier elite guys.  The truly elite guys will have such specialization that the carryover to other really similar events (such as just running a different distance will be less...)
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on November 24, 2015, 12:14:37 am
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251075-Workout-Wednesday-Season-8/video/747571-Sanya-Richards-Ross-7-x-200m#.VlPx-dIrLcs

http://speedendurance.com/2014/07/16/sanya-richards-ross-7-x-200m-workout/
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on October 25, 2016, 01:52:49 pm
360 view of the 100m and 400m finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zxRAAtTf4
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on November 05, 2016, 01:38:16 pm
mo farah 100m

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJMIwlQB-28
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on January 01, 2017, 02:36:56 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9riEiVRuDRs
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on February 22, 2017, 07:40:29 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQZTVD4Y9r4

Good video but very interesting commentary. The commentator mentioned that the first time Andre De Grasse ran he ran 10.9 seconds with sneakers on. His wikipedia page says the same thing "De Grasse started racing in grade eleven. Wearing basketball shorts and Converse shoes and using no starting blocks, he secured second position in his first 100 m race with a time of 10.9 seconds.[6] He was spotted by future coach Tony Sharpe who noticed his potential because of this". It also said his mother was a sprinter.

http://speedacademy.ca/index.php/in-the-news/74-usc-sprinter-andre-de-grasse-makes-huge-strides-on-and-off-track

Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 19, 2017, 01:17:03 am
probably been posted before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEIxpcYukqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_KrJf9uic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLWejYWjANM
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on August 24, 2017, 02:59:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VX2gbN8pik
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 24, 2017, 03:41:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VX2gbN8pik

2.77 m per stride at 4.49 strides per second at Max V.

:o

that must feel amazing. nice vid.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on August 31, 2017, 10:30:16 am
I'm soo jealous of his training. Makes me want to add some lol but will not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sDMQyqNZi4
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 31, 2017, 04:12:12 pm
I'm soo jealous of his training. Makes me want to add some lol but will not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sDMQyqNZi4

really nice vid, but, the intro has me suspect. so he does all of that stuff, then it comes down to SMFR? Instead, maybe he did too much "nonsense"? Maybe doing lots of that stuff with the de-oxygenation mask was completely useless?

I was actually going to create a thread a few weeks ago titled "There are too many damn exercises".

I've gone from a small set of exercise, to lots of different exercises, to a small set of exercises, to a very small set of exercises. Most people want to do cool fun things, or fun looking things, hard fun things, hard weird things .. how much of this is actually needed & how do you gauge the effectiveness of something when you have so much variety?

no idea of Blake's actual training & how it was composed, but it seems like we've been in a phase where monotony is no longer tolerated. We're also in a phase where "different stuff" gets more attention, more likes, more views, more respect etc: it's alot easier to do that with videos like you posted above.

I think the biggest "turning point" for me, was watching the *infestation* of "s&c coaches" in fight sports. That's what really started to really make me cringe. I watched it in person at ATT (American Top Team), I watched it on tv/online such as Brandon Rios doing a bunch of fancy lameness.. Instead of spending that time actually working on a counter, throwing more punches, working skill etc, these s&c coaches got fighters doing lame footwork drills on an agility latter then doing a few hops. IMHO, completely useless.. That kind of coaching permeates everything now.

When I did my second internship at Memorial Fitness/Rehab, there was this functional trainer there. Guy was "brilliant", knew his shit. Knew how everything fit together, anatomically/kinesiology/biomechanically. He was so impressive to most people. He's a good dude, but, the training I saw him provide athletes/elderly/out of shape people was just pure BS. He knew too much for his own good & carved out a niche, offering up sub-par training to individuals of all fitness/athletic levels.

I guess i'm just annoyed with the exercise variety out there. I'm subscribed to a few S&C IG's and every other day they are doing a new exercise, promoting some new ground breaking ISOMETRIC PAP lameness.

It's just interesting how some people approach training so scientifically, and can't coach/improve someone for shit. It's science right? All we have to do is <insert program here> because it worked before, and tweak a few variables. I think "the art" mixed with "some science" is far more effective. An example of "the art" is what I mentioned above, some seasoned boxing coach / track coach knowing pretty much what to do to get their athlete at their peak & address weaknesses for a specific event, who rely less on science & more on experience, instead of letting some S&C coach come in and try to act like a "human mechanic" and just screw everything up.

A really good example of that also, is "RJ" from way back. Dude was science to the max, seemed to ignore alot of people who had more "experience" (on elite track/charlie francis forum, db hammer forum etc) which contradicted things he'd learned in supertraining & evosport etc. Not to talk shit on him, but that's just potentially a good example. Not sure what happened to him, would be nuts if he's an olympic hopeful now or something, that'd be pure wreckage for me. lmfao. Searched him and found his book: http://xlathlete.com/xl/events/engineering-an-athlete.pdf .. it was awesome that he wrote a book but come on.. It's probably an amazing read, would probably derail my training completely and have me doing all kinds of crazy isometric awesomeness. On the other hand, it's probably poisonous. Stuff like that, without the proper experience, can fuck your brain up. However, if you believe in a training ideology so much, that's a very important thing. So believing in your training, no matter how mediocre or useless, is absolutely essential & can still improve performance. That belief coupled with brutal effort, can unlock things even if the training makes no sense - as long as you're still getting in enough of the event you're training for. If some extraordinary belief in sub-par training can unlock more confidence mentally & drive physically, that can definitely improve race/competition efforts & such. S&C is weird.

dno.. been thinking about stuff like that for a while now.

end tangent/rant. :D
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on August 31, 2017, 04:58:45 pm
I'm soo jealous of his training. Makes me want to add some lol but will not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sDMQyqNZi4

really nice vid, but, the intro has me suspect. so he does all of that stuff, then it comes down to SMFR? Instead, maybe he did too much "nonsense"? Maybe doing lots of that stuff with the de-oxygenation mask was completely useless?

I was actually going to create a thread a few weeks ago titled "There are too many damn exercises".

I've gone from a small set of exercise, to lots of different exercises, to a small set of exercises, to a very small set of exercises. Most people want to do cool fun things, or fun looking things, hard fun things, hard weird things .. how much of this is actually needed & how do you gauge the effectiveness of something when you have so much variety?

no idea of Blake's actual training & how it was composed, but it seems like we've been in a phase where monotony is no longer tolerated. We're also in a phase where "different stuff" gets more attention, more likes, more views, more respect etc: it's alot easier to do that with videos like you posted above.

I think the biggest "turning point" for me, was watching the *infestation* of "s&c coaches" in fight sports. That's what really started to really make me cringe. I watched it in person at ATT (American Top Team), I watched it on tv/online such as Brandon Rios doing a bunch of fancy lameness.. Instead of spending that time actually working on a counter, throwing more punches, working skill etc, these s&c coaches got fighters doing lame footwork drills on an agility latter then doing a few hops. IMHO, completely useless.. That kind of coaching permeates everything now.

When I did my second internship at Memorial Fitness/Rehab, there was this functional trainer there. Guy was "brilliant", knew his shit. Knew how everything fit together, anatomically/kinesiology/biomechanically. He was so impressive to most people. He's a good dude, but, the training I saw him provide athletes/elderly/out of shape people was just pure BS. He knew too much for his own good & carved out a niche, offering up sub-par training to individuals of all fitness/athletic levels.

I guess i'm just annoyed with the exercise variety out there. I'm subscribed to a few S&C IG's and every other day they are doing a new exercise, promoting some new ground breaking ISOMETRIC PAP lameness.

It's just interesting how some people approach training so scientifically, and can't coach/improve someone for shit. It's science right? All we have to do is <insert program here> because it worked before, and tweak a few variables. I think "the art" mixed with "some science" is far more effective. An example of "the art" is what I mentioned above, some seasoned boxing coach / track coach knowing pretty much what to do to get their athlete at their peak & address weaknesses for a specific event, who rely less on science & more on experience, instead of letting some S&C coach come in and try to act like a "human mechanic" and just screw everything up.

A really good example of that also, is "RJ" from way back. Dude was science to the max, seemed to ignore alot of people who had more "experience" (on elite track/charlie francis forum, db hammer forum etc) which contradicted things he'd learned in supertraining & evosport etc. Not to talk shit on him, but that's just potentially a good example. Not sure what happened to him, would be nuts if he's an olympic hopeful now or something, that'd be pure wreckage for me. lmfao. Searched him and found his book: http://xlathlete.com/xl/events/engineering-an-athlete.pdf .. it was awesome that he wrote a book but come on.. It's probably an amazing read, would probably derail my training completely and have me doing all kinds of crazy isometric awesomeness. On the other hand, it's probably poisonous. Stuff like that, without the proper experience, can fuck your brain up. However, if you believe in a training ideology so much, that's a very important thing. So believing in your training, no matter how mediocre or useless, is absolutely essential & can still improve performance. That belief coupled with brutal effort, can unlock things even if the training makes no sense - as long as you're still getting in enough of the event you're training for. If some extraordinary belief in sub-par training can unlock more confidence mentally & drive physically, that can definitely improve race/competition efforts & such. S&C is weird.

dno.. been thinking about stuff like that for a while now.

end tangent/rant. :D

I didn't really listen to what the guy was saying and I don't think all that training is his entire training but it's bits of different training he did or does. I was seeing the different variety exercises he does, just damn.

Nice, thanks for that. I have also been thinking about this also. There are so many damn exercises that are available, some fancier than others and you can see where would get it from, but there is something about training that is a little more complex than just training that movement loaded like the thing blake does from kneeling to jumping up to squat position they look nice and everything, but they really confuse people who want to train and they see all these workouts and it just destroys them mentally with too much material me included thinking wow I do a little and they have all these varieties I am so far behind, but after reading what you wrote, this is all just unnecessary, complex is not better simplicity is.

I can't rant on any more don't have more knowledge to add lol. But good points.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 31, 2017, 10:57:26 pm
I'm soo jealous of his training. Makes me want to add some lol but will not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sDMQyqNZi4

really nice vid, but, the intro has me suspect. so he does all of that stuff, then it comes down to SMFR? Instead, maybe he did too much "nonsense"? Maybe doing lots of that stuff with the de-oxygenation mask was completely useless?

I was actually going to create a thread a few weeks ago titled "There are too many damn exercises".

I've gone from a small set of exercise, to lots of different exercises, to a small set of exercises, to a very small set of exercises. Most people want to do cool fun things, or fun looking things, hard fun things, hard weird things .. how much of this is actually needed & how do you gauge the effectiveness of something when you have so much variety?

no idea of Blake's actual training & how it was composed, but it seems like we've been in a phase where monotony is no longer tolerated. We're also in a phase where "different stuff" gets more attention, more likes, more views, more respect etc: it's alot easier to do that with videos like you posted above.

I think the biggest "turning point" for me, was watching the *infestation* of "s&c coaches" in fight sports. That's what really started to really make me cringe. I watched it in person at ATT (American Top Team), I watched it on tv/online such as Brandon Rios doing a bunch of fancy lameness.. Instead of spending that time actually working on a counter, throwing more punches, working skill etc, these s&c coaches got fighters doing lame footwork drills on an agility latter then doing a few hops. IMHO, completely useless.. That kind of coaching permeates everything now.

When I did my second internship at Memorial Fitness/Rehab, there was this functional trainer there. Guy was "brilliant", knew his shit. Knew how everything fit together, anatomically/kinesiology/biomechanically. He was so impressive to most people. He's a good dude, but, the training I saw him provide athletes/elderly/out of shape people was just pure BS. He knew too much for his own good & carved out a niche, offering up sub-par training to individuals of all fitness/athletic levels.

I guess i'm just annoyed with the exercise variety out there. I'm subscribed to a few S&C IG's and every other day they are doing a new exercise, promoting some new ground breaking ISOMETRIC PAP lameness.

It's just interesting how some people approach training so scientifically, and can't coach/improve someone for shit. It's science right? All we have to do is <insert program here> because it worked before, and tweak a few variables. I think "the art" mixed with "some science" is far more effective. An example of "the art" is what I mentioned above, some seasoned boxing coach / track coach knowing pretty much what to do to get their athlete at their peak & address weaknesses for a specific event, who rely less on science & more on experience, instead of letting some S&C coach come in and try to act like a "human mechanic" and just screw everything up.

A really good example of that also, is "RJ" from way back. Dude was science to the max, seemed to ignore alot of people who had more "experience" (on elite track/charlie francis forum, db hammer forum etc) which contradicted things he'd learned in supertraining & evosport etc. Not to talk shit on him, but that's just potentially a good example. Not sure what happened to him, would be nuts if he's an olympic hopeful now or something, that'd be pure wreckage for me. lmfao. Searched him and found his book: http://xlathlete.com/xl/events/engineering-an-athlete.pdf .. it was awesome that he wrote a book but come on.. It's probably an amazing read, would probably derail my training completely and have me doing all kinds of crazy isometric awesomeness. On the other hand, it's probably poisonous. Stuff like that, without the proper experience, can fuck your brain up. However, if you believe in a training ideology so much, that's a very important thing. So believing in your training, no matter how mediocre or useless, is absolutely essential & can still improve performance. That belief coupled with brutal effort, can unlock things even if the training makes no sense - as long as you're still getting in enough of the event you're training for. If some extraordinary belief in sub-par training can unlock more confidence mentally & drive physically, that can definitely improve race/competition efforts & such. S&C is weird.

dno.. been thinking about stuff like that for a while now.

end tangent/rant. :D

I didn't really listen to what the guy was saying and I don't think all that training is his entire training but it's bits of different training he did or does. I was seeing the different variety exercises he does, just damn.

Nice, thanks for that. I have also been thinking about this also. There are so many damn exercises that are available, some fancier than others and you can see where would get it from, but there is something about training that is a little more complex than just training that movement loaded like the thing blake does from kneeling to jumping up to squat position they look nice and everything, but they really confuse people who want to train and they see all these workouts and it just destroys them mentally with too much material me included thinking wow I do a little and they have all these varieties I am so far behind, but after reading what you wrote, this is all just unnecessary, complex is not better simplicity is.

I can't rant on any more don't have more knowledge to add lol. But good points.

hah np. you basically triggered me. I could just picture you sitting there feeling briefly like your training is inadequate & you don't have access to some fancy stuff, but in reality, most of the stuff in that video is not needed & alot of it probably isn't too effective.

just think about the "beast" thread, what do we put in there? mostly raw lifts with impressive relative strength ratios.. so as far as lifting goes, i'd go with the basics & push those to the max rather than play around with all of the fancy stuff.

for you, the track is your #1 tool, weight room #2 .. and in the weight room, basics #1 :D

basics #1 regardless.. lmfao.

most people that push fancy stuff are also pushing themselves.. like mr Glute Guy and his barbell hip thrusts, best example I can think of. Contreras is cool, seems like a good dude, but he thought he found the magic potion & he pushed it to the limit. It's probably more effective than not, but probably far less effective than pushing up your squat.. Also now he's kind of admitted he fell victim to being creative. just an example.

pc!
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on September 02, 2017, 09:14:32 am
Great Usain Bolt footage from Mo Farah!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyWmxUMf50E

sick vid.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on September 04, 2017, 01:17:58 am
this popped up in my yt feed, seems decent. also I like what he said about going 98% not 100% and keeping 100% (golden gear) for meets.. so seems more credible with that info :F

I kinda of do this technique naturally .. same for his 400m advice. Just seems like the natural way to run a 200m or 400m.. i'm sure there are several other strategies people employ, so will be fun messing with all of this on occasion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8cmScRf8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9YemFMrI6c



his gf has a nice body @ 6:20 .. geet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Ve6Df66eE

Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on October 20, 2017, 10:29:19 am
sick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1pHEjgUt4
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on January 05, 2018, 02:14:01 pm
some good workout clips at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmGZR40mwQ
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on January 17, 2018, 11:27:28 am
Jarrion Lawson

dude can burn. some nice training footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9xU7aLbodo
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on February 04, 2018, 04:16:57 pm
The perfect start, to get the moving forward leg toe close to the ground without dragging, to reduce time it takes for the moving forward leg to strike and push the floor back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZcuab6oI_0
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on February 28, 2018, 04:26:31 am
Split times of top 4 men in Australia 100m Nationals

(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28471197_10155356598977338_2068566573386262757_n.jpg?oh=1e54545ff5e2d1a3c4d9f3be93665c2d&oe=5B132CDD)
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on February 28, 2018, 04:43:32 pm
Split times of top 4 men in Australia 100m Nationals

(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28471197_10155356598977338_2068566573386262757_n.jpg?oh=1e54545ff5e2d1a3c4d9f3be93665c2d&oe=5B132CDD)

love that kind of data. nice!!

nice to see all of those little hundredths add up to victory for the winner. some fly segments being identical, but #1 really got it done by 30m.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on March 22, 2018, 04:56:34 pm
Michael Norman is no joke..

h.s. senior? what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LomMbsHATvo
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 22, 2018, 07:49:03 pm
Man you have some new up and coming athletes, new world record holders, i.e. christian coleman 60m, michael norman 400m.
Interesting year for athletics.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on March 22, 2018, 08:52:58 pm
Man you have some new up and coming athletes, new world record holders, i.e. christian coleman 60m, michael norman 400m.
Interesting year for athletics.

yup, well said! going to be a great year of T&F .. and then 2020 olympics!!!!!
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on March 30, 2018, 09:57:34 pm
Sydney McLaughlin

She's such a monster.. man.. no joke. 50.07 400m today in the rain/soaked track........

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/other-uk-sports/article207497374.html

and she's a hurdler? what? and she's 18 i think? wtf.

 @GoSydGo : 50.07 | World lead, No. 2 NCAA in-season performer all-time, No. 3 collegiate performance all-time, NCAA Freshman Record

incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MydhdSOsbgY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpUJprJ7TG0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wctj6O7JyI0
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on July 13, 2018, 07:13:33 pm
lol

?taken-by=nojo18
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on July 22, 2018, 11:36:11 pm
9 year old going sub60.............

Quote
Jonathan Simms from Plano, Texas ran the AAU Junior Olympics National record of 59.25 in the 400m on August 2, 2016. 

http://www.milesplit.com/videos/225298/jonathan-simms-breaks-9-year-old-400m-aau-jr-olympic-national-r

59.25

?taken-by=milesplit
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on July 23, 2018, 12:33:08 am
wow
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on July 23, 2018, 11:19:05 am
wow

x2

x3

x4

x5

..

xinfinity
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on July 31, 2018, 07:09:13 pm
8 year old doing 200m... looks like an adult. flying. incredible. hah.

?taken-by=flotrack
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on July 31, 2018, 07:10:19 pm
the finish of a 55.8 400m @ 11 years old .. kid looks so bouncy.

?taken-by=flotrack

^^ nice kicks. look like my endorphin racer v2's..
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on August 01, 2018, 12:33:03 am
8 year old doing 200m... looks like an adult. flying. incredible. hah.

?taken-by=flotrack

that's insane.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 01, 2018, 08:31:01 am
8 year old doing 200m... looks like an adult. flying. incredible. hah.

?taken-by=flotrack

that's insane.

it really is. absolutely incredible.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on August 11, 2018, 11:40:00 am
Ramil guliyev bringing on the heat and a big threat for world championships as he wins the 200m finals in the european championships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuSb721LiI
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 11, 2018, 12:02:55 pm
Ramil guliyev bringing on the heat and a big threat for world championships as he wins the 200m finals in the european championships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuSb721LiI

nice. another big W.

he's consistently competing for top spots, love that dude.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 17, 2018, 12:09:16 pm
this is cracking me up.

dude gone.

?taken-by=flotrack
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 20, 2018, 11:10:49 pm
?taken-by=flotrack
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 25, 2018, 07:33:46 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKWzDmlOERk
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 25, 2018, 07:37:15 am
Race starts @ 2:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sHe8fGaFeQ
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on October 25, 2018, 07:38:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKWzDmlOERk

Australian sprint squads strengthening up. They could make a strong relay squad.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 25, 2018, 07:43:46 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKWzDmlOERk

Australian sprint squads strengthening up. They could make a strong relay squad.

http://athletics.com.au/Portals/56/Competition/Documents/AUSRANK2018%20231018.pdf

The four fastest Australian times in 2018-
10.10 Trae Williams
10.15 Jake Doran
10.21 Rohan Browning
10.23 Jack Hale
All of those guys are <21 years old. If they stick at it and improve their times we could have a competitive relay squad for the 2020 Olympics.


Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: Mikey on October 26, 2018, 10:29:44 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HROU-BqHu5M
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on December 08, 2018, 08:56:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGh7SqVI_w8
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on August 24, 2019, 11:51:17 pm
noah is so smooth. his last 50 looks incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHmie1o7d8
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on February 26, 2020, 03:19:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhIf4PXrEkI
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on February 27, 2020, 12:37:33 am
really hope he's back. miss seeing him race. incredible talent.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: seifullaah73 on July 10, 2020, 01:53:02 pm
Noah lyles smashes bolts 200m WR but later finds out it was 180m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC3UJL5hKlw
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: adarqui on July 10, 2020, 08:24:53 pm
Noah lyles smashes bolts 200m WR but later finds out it was 180m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC3UJL5hKlw

that's nuts.. but odd that the other two went over 20. i'd be confused too if i saw lyles go under 19, and those other two going over 20. both should be capable of going under 20 at 180m.

crazy lmao.
Title: Re: Sprint Videos
Post by: LBSS on May 10, 2021, 12:14:01 pm
DK Metcalf, who weighs over 100kg/220lbs, runs 10.36  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd73x5wNyuA