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Sport Specific Training Discussion => 800m+ Running and/or Conditioning => Topic started by: adarqui on October 29, 2016, 08:05:41 am
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deserve their own thread..
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this wiki is incredible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Whitlock
Ed Whitlock is a beast.
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Wowwwwww what is this beast made of??? look at the WR he owns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Whitlock#World_age_group_records_set_by_Ed_Whitlock
His 85+ times, they are all faster than my PRs, but if i train hard for a few months i can beat them.
His 80-85? maybe, with a good year of training. probably not but maybe.
His 75-79 though... 5:40 mile , sub 20m 5k , sub 40m 10k. I think i am unable to achieve that, no matter what i do. Incredible!!!!
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dude look at this Whitlock's form at like 85+
if I live to that age .. i want to be moving like that (or better - marathon training might be too much, should probably limit it to halfs, dno..).
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moar whitlock .. his form/strength is so impressive considering his age.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLaCwR3hybE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4echbKBHIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPO3FTB3w-g
Alan Turing was on his team, wtf?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_y3guIR54
wow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPyMaDkKYjg
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RIP Ed Whitlock. http://deadspin.com/endurance-running-legend-ed-whitlock-dead-at-86-1793239288
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RIP Ed Whitlock. http://deadspin.com/endurance-running-legend-ed-whitlock-dead-at-86-1793239288
ah man... he was looking so "healthy" too. was hoping to see him smash more records.
:/
RIP :ibrunning:
on a related note: the comments on that article suck. edit: because, everything is a "joke" now
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101 year old, 100m record
http://www.wbrz.com/news/101-year-old-baton-rouge-woman-sets-new-record-for-100-meter-run
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some age group crazy numbers for the mile.
http://www.bringbackthemile.com/history/masters
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asked a weird question on this Kenya running IG:
hey, weird question.. but I think you guys would know. Where are all of the "old Kenyan runners" (let's say 60+ years old). For example, I see tons of photos of older runners in the US, mostly recreational obviously.. but how about Kenyans? I mostly see photos of young guys putting in work, which I understand.. but do people 60+ years old still run often & enter races for fun etc? Or do they have problems running as thy get older, due to all of the mileage they put in when younger? Just wondering if you can provide any insights as to how Kenyan runners, which have the most beautiful form & mindset for running IMHO, function as they get old. Thanks alot!
weird but, just wondering about it.. hope they can provide some info.
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wow they came back with some great info.. look at this reply:
kenya_experience_iten @andrewdarqui Hey Andrew, great question. In summary the answer is that running is are career choice so when it is done with as a viable career option it is done with all together. Very few former runners continue to run just for fun when their competitive days are finished. In rural Kenya there are very very few who run just for enjoyment or health. It is running ares serious training or not at all. In the cities, the emerging middle classes do run as recreation/fun and you see more of what you have typically described from elsewhere. I expect this will grow as Kenya continues to grow economically but it will be a long time until this idea spreads to the rural areas
damn!
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Ed remembered at the ScotiaBank Canada Marathon yesterday:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMr5Z4CXkAIf1ST.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/julestoronto/status/921823339781480455
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-waterfront-marathon-2017-1.4366430
RIP.
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asked a weird question on this Kenya running IG:
hey, weird question.. but I think you guys would know. Where are all of the "old Kenyan runners" (let's say 60+ years old). For example, I see tons of photos of older runners in the US, mostly recreational obviously.. but how about Kenyans? I mostly see photos of young guys putting in work, which I understand.. but do people 60+ years old still run often & enter races for fun etc? Or do they have problems running as thy get older, due to all of the mileage they put in when younger? Just wondering if you can provide any insights as to how Kenyan runners, which have the most beautiful form & mindset for running IMHO, function as they get old. Thanks alot!
weird but, just wondering about it.. hope they can provide some info.
edit:
wow they came back with some great info.. look at this reply:
kenya_experience_iten @andrewdarqui Hey Andrew, great question. In summary the answer is that running is are career choice so when it is done with as a viable career option it is done with all together. Very few former runners continue to run just for fun when their competitive days are finished. In rural Kenya there are very very few who run just for enjoyment or health. It is running ares serious training or not at all. In the cities, the emerging middle classes do run as recreation/fun and you see more of what you have typically described from elsewhere. I expect this will grow as Kenya continues to grow economically but it will be a long time until this idea spreads to the rural areas
damn!
Living in a country that's similar to Kenya economically and with a similar national professional sports obsession (cricket in this case), that definitely scans. Many boys play cricket, and there are amateur and pickup cricket games all over the place for young men. But you don't see old people playing. Exercising for its own sake is basically only for the rich and foreign-educated or raised. The gym my gf used to take yoga clients at charges something like $500/month (!). There are people here who can pay that without blinking but not that many. I met a muscle-bound dude last weekend who owns a coffee shop near my house and also a luxury car importer: he's generationally loaded, and good for him. Even middle class people never, ever look like that.
But as the middle class starts to emerge, exercise is spreading as a hobby. The track I run at is in a very rich area but not all the people there are wealthy: plenty show up in old cars or on cheap motorcycles. I saw some young guys doing boxing training together and there are a couple of MMA-type and other gyms in less-than-rich neighborhoods. That will only grow as time goes on. It's only a matter of time before someone opens a Crossfit box here, IMO, and before yoga spreads from the foreign/rich to the middle class.
But that will happen independently of the national sports obsession, much like the response you got from Kenya on IG. Cricket is linked to national identity and aspiration. Casual exercise is linked to leisure time, to sedentariness and the accompanying weight gain and anxiety, and to disposable income.
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asked a weird question on this Kenya running IG:
hey, weird question.. but I think you guys would know. Where are all of the "old Kenyan runners" (let's say 60+ years old). For example, I see tons of photos of older runners in the US, mostly recreational obviously.. but how about Kenyans? I mostly see photos of young guys putting in work, which I understand.. but do people 60+ years old still run often & enter races for fun etc? Or do they have problems running as thy get older, due to all of the mileage they put in when younger? Just wondering if you can provide any insights as to how Kenyan runners, which have the most beautiful form & mindset for running IMHO, function as they get old. Thanks alot!
weird but, just wondering about it.. hope they can provide some info.
edit:
wow they came back with some great info.. look at this reply:
kenya_experience_iten @andrewdarqui Hey Andrew, great question. In summary the answer is that running is are career choice so when it is done with as a viable career option it is done with all together. Very few former runners continue to run just for fun when their competitive days are finished. In rural Kenya there are very very few who run just for enjoyment or health. It is running ares serious training or not at all. In the cities, the emerging middle classes do run as recreation/fun and you see more of what you have typically described from elsewhere. I expect this will grow as Kenya continues to grow economically but it will be a long time until this idea spreads to the rural areas
damn!
Living in a country that's similar to Kenya economically and with a similar national professional sports obsession (cricket in this case), that definitely scans. Many boys play cricket, and there are amateur and pickup cricket games all over the place for young men. But you don't see old people playing. Exercising for its own sake is basically only for the rich and foreign-educated or raised. The gym my gf used to take yoga clients at charges something like $500/month (!). There are people here who can pay that without blinking but not that many. I met a muscle-bound dude last weekend who owns a coffee shop near my house and also a luxury car importer: he's generationally loaded, and good for him. Even middle class people never, ever look like that.
But as the middle class starts to emerge, exercise is spreading as a hobby. The track I run at is in a very rich area but not all the people there are wealthy: plenty show up in old cars or on cheap motorcycles. I saw some young guys doing boxing training together and there are a couple of MMA-type and other gyms in less-than-rich neighborhoods. That will only grow as time goes on. It's only a matter of time before someone opens a Crossfit box here, IMO, and before yoga spreads from the foreign/rich to the middle class.
But that will happen independently of the national sports obsession, much like the response you got from Kenya on IG. Cricket is linked to national identity and aspiration. Casual exercise is linked to leisure time, to sedentariness and the accompanying weight gain and anxiety, and to disposable income.
great post man & thanks for the info!
It's easy to forget, living & growing up in America, that much of the world doesn't have these luxuries: exercise for fun, easy access to good food & clean water, easy access to incredible training facilities around literally every corner, a culture with hundreds of different sports etc.
also regarding middle class people not being muscle bound, it really is an incredible contrast to the US, where even people who can probably be considered living in poverty, can be fairly huge (muscle, fat, etc). I remember they used to have "30 cent cheeseburger wednesdays" at McDonalds, I think. I mean that's ridiculous. Access to "lower quality" food can be pretty easy & cheap: top ramen, pb, protein powders, fast food/junk, foods loaded with sugar/fat .. easy sources of calories. Plus you have gyms everywhere, or people who have garage gyms.
But ya it's good to hear exercise is spreading to the middle class & "below" in these countries. It's good for the economy overall, but beyond that it's just a good outlet. I mean just one example, in the US you can make a living just training/teaching people how to exercise for fun. I mean that in itself is incredible when you think about countries where people don't exercise for fun. I was at the park last night, and this guy had ~15 women (probably moms) doing calisthenics & cardio. He's probably making some decent money doing that a few times per week, those mom's probably feel better & have expanded their circle of friends, they also buy equipment (yoga mats, shoes, workout clothes) and probably try to clean up their diets, health & fitness improves etc. Then they also pass some of those habits off to their children. So just good all around IMHO. The scale of that in the US is *enormous*.
word! pc!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaXiBFow9Es
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masters rankings:
https://www.mastersrankings.com/rankings/?x10=M45&x7=1MILE&x4=MEN&x2=Outdoor&x1=2016
Found that while searching for some outdoor 45-49 results. Nice.
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Gary Patton, 5:29 indoor mile world record @ 71 years old
http://bringbackthemile.com/news/detail/gary_patton_71_sets_blazing_fast_indoor_mile_world_record_on_low_mileage
https://www.runnersworld.com/masters/71-year-old-sets-blazing-fast-mile-world-record-on-low-mileage
credits low mileage. runs once every 3 days. rotates weights/cross training/running.
“Sometimes you just start flying,” he said, “and it works out.”
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noticed in the hemingway 5k results from last year, 3rd OA (18:41) was listed as 60 years old...
https://www.athlinks.com/event/1781/results/Event/664795/Course/1045935/Bib/2
Thomas Dever (60)
https://www.athlinks.com/search/unclaimed?category=unclaimed&term=thomas+dever
has results mostly for 50+ .. some pretty solid results for that age, damn.
and 1:13 half @ 47 years old.
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no idea if true
(https://i.imgur.com/ZcDedfo.jpg)
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Holy shit!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Would like to also see the 40yo sedentary though.
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4:17 mile @ 48
https://timesofsandiego.com/sports/2014/07/12/magical-olympian-mile-brad-barton-oldest-to-go-sub-420/#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNPPOo7Z4Uc
https://weberstatesports.com/news/2015/3/18/209968037.aspx
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76 year old, 200m barefoot in a meet. flying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_48VLZu7-so
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Jeannie Rice with a 98.7% age grade half marathon at the 2019 Naples Half: 1:38:41 @ 70 years old. She's a marathon world record holder too. 💪
(https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50767753_10156005382931778_2158787542361571328_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=4c9c8c12b349322513af98bed1c61a3f&oe=5CFB76EC)
Apparently she was going for the WR, pretty close. About a minute off.
https://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/2019/01/16/jeannie-rice-goes-half-marathon-world-record-naples/2591858002/
Elliott Mason took a photo with her. She looked *crazy strong* for 70.
"In August, Rice set the Masters American record in the mile, winning the USA Track and Field Masters 1 Mile Championships in Michigan. Her time of 6 minutes, 38 seconds was more than two minutes faster than the previous record.
A few weeks later in September, Rice beat the national record for her age group in the 5-kilometer distance in Naples at the Gulf Coast Runners Labor Day 5K. However, her time of 21:38 is not an official record because the course was not certified by the USATF.
The highlight of the year came in Chicago in October. Not only did Rice run a marathon faster than any woman 70 years old or older in history, but she breezed past the previous world record. Rice finished the Chicago Marathon in 3:27:50 to break the record by more than six minutes."
a local beast I know that took a photo with her:
(https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50603702_10158141363032586_343395442907676672_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=52d96e1fed23ed7d257289b40414d66f&oe=5CFDEB6F)
an interview with her from a few years ago:
http://www.benrose.org/MythBusters/mb_Rice.cfm
(https://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2018/11/1102_rice-chicago-400x533.jpg)
(http://www.planetatriatlon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/jeannie2.jpg)
beast.
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:motherofgod:
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50-54 is probably considered old.
Brad Barton sets another WR.
4:19 mile in the 50-54 age group.
(https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61978190_10156590206948732_5745833460774207488_n.png?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnGJT0nkUCJmN3JCPgVjXuMRwcrgE_ebPK_bgcLjcjyoO6LFiuS-PCTAwWKuZyEqef-E99Q9n9JwMSPBxVLblgx&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=ebde2fc70e8e154e204a2630ac52fd25&oe=5D5D691C)
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4:19.59 for 50-54
even 80% of that is goals++
what a beast.
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Barton's 4:19:56 @ 53 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0aVwamdxsY
also the woman who ran 5:06 (at like 47 years old?) is that local masters pro who i've raced w/ down here etc.