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Title: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: Raptor on September 25, 2012, 05:58:49 am
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22510798
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: adarqui on September 28, 2012, 07:43:47 pm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22510798

kewl

however, this proves that we should always strive for longer GCT's..

lul.
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: seifullaah73 on September 29, 2012, 04:00:44 am
it also says that its better to less amount of leg stiffness.
that's strange.
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: AlexV on October 01, 2012, 02:45:11 pm
its cause he is soo tall
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: LanceSTS on October 01, 2012, 10:18:05 pm
its cause he is soo tall

Completely unrelated, but in the schroeder/iso article he references knee pain caused via popliteus and that activation of it solves this issue.  How is he referring to activating the popliteus? Contraction of the hamstring of front leg?

nice new articles btw  :strong:
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: AlexV on October 03, 2012, 05:53:16 pm
its cause he is soo tall

Completely unrelated, but in the schroeder/iso article he references knee pain caused via popliteus and that activation of it solves this issue.  How is he referring to activating the popliteus? Contraction of the hamstring of front leg?

nice new articles btw  :strong:

Thanks for the Compliment,

I think you are correct in regards to the popliteus. 
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: T0ddday on October 04, 2012, 08:48:15 am
its cause he is soo tall

Completely unrelated, but in the schroeder/iso article he references knee pain caused via popliteus and that activation of it solves this issue.  How is he referring to activating the popliteus? Contraction of the hamstring of front leg?

nice new articles btw  :strong:

What's the schroeder article you are talking about?  Do you have a link?  Very interested in this article will read through this one at work!
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: T0ddday on October 04, 2012, 08:49:55 am
its cause he is soo tall

Less because he is so tall and more because he is so strong.  Sprinters from 5-9 to 6-4 all have somewhat similar ground contacts and stride lengths... Then there is Bolt.  He breaks the curve.  The guy isn't seven feet tall. 
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: T0ddday on October 04, 2012, 05:45:23 pm
Interesting article.  Tyson gay has 0.07 ground contacts... GAHHHH!

In some ways it's a shame that the article chose to compare these three athletes from 60-80m because while they don't explicitly state it... A very misleading interpretation of the data is easy to come by.

That is:

Gay is 6'0, Powell is 6'3, Bolt is 6'5 and ground contacts are 0.07, 0.08, and 0.09 respectively.  All three are clearly very fast so it seems taller athletes have greater ground contact time (less leg stiffness) but make up for it with their stride length. 

However, what's important is that while Bolt and Gay ran roughly equal 20m splits (1.63 and 1.62), Powell has poor speed endurance and maxV (in comparison) and was slower (1.69) from 60-80m.    Thus, Tyson's greater stride frequency is in affect the reason why he runs faster than Powell.  If you watch the video you will notice that Powell is overstriding by 70m which really throws the analysis off.   I would bet that between 40-50m Powell and Gay would have much more similar ground contacts and stride lengths (as well as almost equal splits).  The point being that world class sprinters from 5'9 to 6'4 have what is really only a minor correlation between contact time/stride distance and height.  Bolt is the aberration.   Remember stride rate hardly differs between amateur and world class athletes (note that's stride rate not contact time), but world class athletes impulse is much greater per stride.   

Essentially, everyone else is running and Bolt and practically bounding down the track each ground contact propelling him ridiculously far forward.  It's like the guy never leaves drive phase.  Really gotta appreciate him for what he is, the greatest athlete of all time.
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: LanceSTS on October 07, 2012, 06:37:34 pm
its cause he is soo tall

Completely unrelated, but in the schroeder/iso article he references knee pain caused via popliteus and that activation of it solves this issue.  How is he referring to activating the popliteus? Contraction of the hamstring of front leg?

nice new articles btw  :strong:

What's the schroeder article you are talking about?  Do you have a link?  Very interested in this article will read through this one at work!

http://evolutionaryathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/isoextremes-dr-j-2.pdf

Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: adarqui on October 08, 2012, 01:29:17 am
its cause he is soo tall

Completely unrelated, but in the schroeder/iso article he references knee pain caused via popliteus and that activation of it solves this issue.  How is he referring to activating the popliteus? Contraction of the hamstring of front leg?

nice new articles btw  :strong:

What's the schroeder article you are talking about?  Do you have a link?  Very interested in this article will read through this one at work!

http://evolutionaryathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/isoextremes-dr-j-2.pdf

who is Dr. J? Jay himself? Those notes were confusing because it seems like they have multiple sources of info. Some seem like jay, west, alexv, other WGF people, and finally our friend Colbert.

some of the stuff is pretty interesting like usual.. those notes make more sense than the "5 minute" gospel.


edit: oooh.

"Here is a collection of post by Dr. John Pitella from his facebook group.  Sadly all the info was lost but I did save a bunch of his posts I found interesting.  This is 17 pages in PDF format an an interesting read!"

cool.
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: LanceSTS on October 08, 2012, 09:04:58 am

  lmao ^.  I wouldnt have even read it if it came from colbert. 
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: LanceSTS on October 10, 2012, 04:51:58 am
 lol adarq post keep cracking me up because I KNOW he had his guns loaded and ready to blow colberts head off like the good ole days lmfao.  That dude would take anything Schroeder said and find the most mystic psychotic supernatural meaning he could come up with it for it.

schroeder- spit out your gum kid

colbert- what he really means by this is to activate the subconscious into achieving a hypoxic state for the brain in which extreme mastery of sport will manifest itself to you randomly on the first tuesday of the month.  Only then will you guys truly understand what he means when he says "spit out your gum kid".
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: adarqui on October 10, 2012, 09:49:32 am
lol adarq post keep cracking me up because I KNOW he had his guns loaded and ready to blow colberts head off like the good ole days lmfao.  That dude would take anything Schroeder said and find the most mystic psychotic supernatural meaning he could come up with it for it.


schroeder- spit out your gum kid

colbert- what he really means by this is to activate the subconscious into achieving a hypoxic state for the brain in which extreme mastery of sport will manifest itself to you randomly on the first tuesday of the month.  Only then will you guys truly understand what he means when he says "spit out your gum kid".


lmao, yup.

we probably shouldn't have attacked him so much on WGF, a good source of humor has now disappeared.
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: AlexV on October 10, 2012, 02:48:01 pm
dr j is part of the original evo sport/arp people in mn.  so he has been working with jay for a long time.  i never posted any questions  just thought he provided good insight.  more than anyonelse was willing to share.

and yes it is a collection of posts.  i left some questions in to provide some context. 

honestly i didnt do anyreal editing, just thought it an interesting little read to share for people who are into jays stuff
Title: Re: A study on Bolt's stiffness vs. Gay and Powell
Post by: adarqui on October 10, 2012, 10:47:13 pm
dr j is part of the original evo sport/arp people in mn.  so he has been working with jay for a long time.  i never posted any questions  just thought he provided good insight.  more than anyonelse was willing to share.

and yes it is a collection of posts.  i left some questions in to provide some context. 

honestly i didnt do anyreal editing, just thought it an interesting little read to share for people who are into jays stuff

ya i skimmed it and it was definitely interesting, seemed very practical instead of the usual mythical b.s.... i plan to really look at it soon when i get some time.

thanks for compiling that alexv.

pC