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Performance Area => Article & Video Discussion => Topic started by: Kellyb on June 11, 2012, 01:27:40 am
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Thought some of y'all might like this:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/HowMuchCanVertBeImproved.html
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What did Rippetoe EVER DID TO YOU?!
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Yeah we've discussed your article a while back. I agree with it. I think of the points A B and C, a lot of people need to improve B. A lot of people start weight training and slowly fade away from jumping to the point where they don't jump at all. They jump 2 or 3 times and call it a day. If you already have established patterns in jumping, maybe you'd get away with it. But EVEN THEN I'd still jump quite a lot.
Instead, a lot of people just become strength training guys and then wonder why they don't jump well.
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I have one 37 year old client who didn't start training until he was in his 30's and still managed to put 10 + inches on his vert. The guy has some very unique physical traits though his results would definitely be outlier in nature.
Which are those??? Seriousely, you never mentioned them to me!
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Oh I guess that would describe you wouldn't it? LOL But I was actually referring to another guy. He's about 5'8, built like a pitbull and strong as a bull - definitely gifted in the fiber type department.
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^LMAO!!! Those 30-plus-10''-gainers are multipyling... :P
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If you’re young and long-legged with a thin structure, a good nervous system, and poor natural strength levels you can probably expect a lot more – as you’ll have a lot of unfilled potential to work with. If you’re older and short legged with a slow nervous system and good natural strength levels your potential gains might be towards the lower end. In summary you have to identify what "type" of athlete you are and just do what you can do with what you have to work with.
Very good article. Just wondering, how do you tell apart someone with a slow or good nervous system?
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Another 37 year old dunker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0y8trZJGpw
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If you’re young and long-legged with a thin structure, a good nervous system, and poor natural strength levels you can probably expect a lot more – as you’ll have a lot of unfilled potential to work with. If you’re older and short legged with a slow nervous system and good natural strength levels your potential gains might be towards the lower end. In summary you have to identify what "type" of athlete you are and just do what you can do with what you have to work with.
Very good article. Just wondering, how do you tell apart someone with a slow or good nervous system?
Natural quickness, hand speed, and foot speed is probably the best way to tell.
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A reasonable position to take in the debate, I agree with it. The 30% thing is a good rule of thumb, IMO, but there are outliers in both directions and it depends whether jumping is trained as a skill or whether VJ is just used as a test without specific preparation regarding the movement.
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I don't get this % thing.
Let's say I have a guy jumping 10 inches and a guy jumping 35 inches naturally. Are you telling me the guy jumping 35 inches has a chance of increasing his jump by 11 inches while the 10 inches guy has a chance of increasing by 3 inches? It doesn't make any sense. A % of a higher number will be a higher number, and it doesn't make sense that a guy that already has a high jump has more of a potential than a guy that doesn't have a high jump.
Now I know there are a ton of factors involved, but still.
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I don't get this % thing.
Let's say I have a guy jumping 10 inches and a guy jumping 35 inches naturally. Are you telling me the guy jumping 35 inches has a chance of increasing his jump by 11 inches while the 10 inches guy has a chance of increasing by 3 inches? It doesn't make any sense. A % of a higher number will be a higher number, and it doesn't make sense that a guy that already has a high jump has more of a potential than a guy that doesn't have a high jump.
Now I know there are a ton of factors involved, but still.
You seem to understand "%", just not what "rule of thumb" means.
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I only know the rule of the middle finger.
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I only know the rule of the middle finger.
on a roll...
steven-miller's point is true, though. obviously kellyb is not saying everyone will get exactly 30% gains regardless of starting point. it's just a general estimate for what someone in the normal range of ability can expect. although if you have a natural 10" jump, you should probably lose some weight and try again. and if you have a natural 35" jump, fuck you.
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Haha, yeah I know, it's just that a % is not a good measuring stick. But to be honest, I have no idea what would be a better one.