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Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« on: March 22, 2012, 10:22:48 pm »
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It's in german but here's the link

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,571031,00.html
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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 10:23:09 pm »
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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 10:23:33 pm »
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You think he's exaggerating?
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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 11:33:44 pm »
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Man, that's mindblowing.

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2012, 01:25:17 am »
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You think he's exaggerating?

I believe a lot of what he's saying but I think he's definitely exaggerating at least a bit. I mean afterall it is in his interets to since he's obviously pro drugs. I mean come on golf!? Why would a golfer need to take performance enhancing drugs. Also why would basketball players need to take fat burners or anything. Also i wouldn't believe that all the sprinting contestants in an olympic final are doped up. Sure many of them could be or probably are but how can he be sure unless he's worked with their coaches or knows the people that are providing for them.

He did name some pretty high profiled coaches, which makes me believe that they are still doping their athletes. For example he named John Smith who currently works with Carmelita Jeter who's the fastest woman in the world right now. What makes it even more suspcious isn't just her coach but also her age. She's 32. Check out her progression times.
http://speedendurance.com/2009/10/19/asafa-powell-and-carmelita-jeter-peak-training-age/
2003 her PR was 11.79. In 3 years she managed to get that down to 11.48. In 2007 she starts working with John Smith and than suddenly she's taken her time down to 11.02 in less than a year before eventually dropping down to 10.64.
Regardless of that I still like to give people the benefit of the doubt until they are proven positive or admit they're doping. But i wreckon the athletic federations don't really want to be rigorous with the best athletes because imagine how much it would hurt sprintings profile if somebody like Usain Bolt tested positive. It would be an even bigger scandal than the Ben Johnson case.

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 04:25:07 pm »
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I do not think it is an exaggeration.
In a kinesiology class I took we watched documentaries that exposed other horror stories, such as the scandals in East Germany.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/nov/01/athletics.gdnsport3

Those athletes did not know they were being doped until they started experiencing side effects such as facial hair growth and things of that nature (in female athletes).

I don't believe it's impossble to run 9.7 without drugs. But it may be a false hope because I understand that all sprinters are pretty much doping. That I have heard before.



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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 04:55:28 pm »
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You think he's exaggerating?

I believe a lot of what he's saying but I think he's definitely exaggerating at least a bit. I mean afterall it is in his interets to since he's obviously pro drugs. I mean come on golf!? Why would a golfer need to take performance enhancing drugs. Also why would basketball players need to take fat burners or anything. Also i wouldn't believe that all the sprinting contestants in an olympic final are doped up. Sure many of them could be or probably are but how can he be sure unless he's worked with their coaches or knows the people that are providing for them.

He did name some pretty high profiled coaches, which makes me believe that they are still doping their athletes. For example he named John Smith who currently works with Carmelita Jeter who's the fastest woman in the world right now. What makes it even more suspcious isn't just her coach but also her age. She's 32. Check out her progression times.
http://speedendurance.com/2009/10/19/asafa-powell-and-carmelita-jeter-peak-training-age/
2003 her PR was 11.79. In 3 years she managed to get that down to 11.48. In 2007 she starts working with John Smith and than suddenly she's taken her time down to 11.02 in less than a year before eventually dropping down to 10.64.
Regardless of that I still like to give people the benefit of the doubt until they are proven positive or admit they're doping. But i wreckon the athletic federations don't really want to be rigorous with the best athletes because imagine how much it would hurt sprintings profile if somebody like Usain Bolt tested positive. It would be an even bigger scandal than the Ben Johnson case.

considering how rapidly some pepole an improve their vertical jump over 12 or 16 weeks, I think the rapid changes in this article is possible without drugs but who knows.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 09:24:36 pm »
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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2012, 01:11:52 am »
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I do not think it is an exaggeration.
In a kinesiology class I took we watched documentaries that exposed other horror stories, such as the scandals in East Germany.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/nov/01/athletics.gdnsport3

Those athletes did not know they were being doped until they started experiencing side effects such as facial hair growth and things of that nature (in female athletes).

I don't believe it's impossble to run 9.7 without drugs. But it may be a false hope because I understand that all sprinters are pretty much doping. That I have heard before.





"The victims all received Oral-Turinabol - an anabolic steroid containing testosterone made by Jenapharm. The "blue bean" had astonishing powers - accelerating muscle build-up and boosting recovery times - but its subsequent side effects were catastrophic: infertility among women, embarrassing hair growth, breast cancer, heart problems and testicular cancer. An estimated 800 athletes developed serious ailments".
"Intriguingly, some of the world records set by East German athletes while using Oral-Turinabol have not been bettered."

That must have been potent as fuk.
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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2012, 11:05:35 am »
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Yeah I believe that the blue-bean, was disguised as their multivitamins or something like that. years later some of the athletes filed lawsuits for being duped into doping. But yeah imagine if the multivitamins you were taking...
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 07:06:56 pm »
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I do not think it is an exaggeration.
In a kinesiology class I took we watched documentaries that exposed other horror stories, such as the scandals in East Germany.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/nov/01/athletics.gdnsport3

Those athletes did not know they were being doped until they started experiencing side effects such as facial hair growth and things of that nature (in female athletes).

I don't believe it's impossble to run 9.7 without drugs. But it may be a false hope because I understand that all sprinters are pretty much doping. That I have heard before.





"The victims all received Oral-Turinabol - an anabolic steroid containing testosterone made by Jenapharm. The "blue bean" had astonishing powers - accelerating muscle build-up and boosting recovery times - but its subsequent side effects were catastrophic: infertility among women, embarrassing hair growth, breast cancer, heart problems and testicular cancer. An estimated 800 athletes developed serious ailments".
"Intriguingly, some of the world records set by East German athletes while using Oral-Turinabol have not been bettered."

That must have been potent as fuk.

The drugs were not especially potent, but women + drugs vs women w/out drugs is absolutely mindblowing.  In the mid 80's eastern bloc women ran 47.xx in the 400m (no testing).  Nobody comes close to that now.

About the article... I'd say he is probably exaggerating in so far as I bet he doesn't know for sure everything he says is absolutely true...  I don't buy any of the limits to human performance that are possible with/without drugs because human variation is so crazy we really can't put limits to it.  That said, drugs are part of sport and it's a personal choice everyone has to make for themselves.  In the end all you know is what you have done, I can say I have ran 10.67 clean... but then again my PR has been beaten by girls.   

I don't know Usain Bolt or Maurice Greene personally, but I can tell you that I personally know someone who ran 48.mid in the 400m hurdles who I would bet 99.9999% is clean.  Additionally, from talking to him I REALLY truly believe Ato ran 9.84 cleanly.  Of course I don't know either for sure.... But I don't believe it's impossible to achieve really fast times without drugs, maybe WR require drugs but I don't think it's impossible that someone in an olympic final is clean.

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 04:21:50 am »
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What about high jump? (Sotomayor)

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 06:52:13 am »
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This is exaggeration by far. Its like the fortune tellers they mix 1 bit truth with a 1000 lies. So they believe everything is true. But this mind blowing, its not impossible to get from 10.2 to 9.7 without drugs.
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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 09:53:15 am »
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People need to read better. He said that drugs make it possible for athletes to have close to peak performance through-out the year, not that very good numbers are impossible to achieve with-out drugs in general. I personally believe that it is unlikely for top athletes to be clean at important competitions. Even if nobody would dope, but every top athlete believes everyone else is doping, suddenly it will be very hard for that individual to NOT take drugs for say the Olympics, which might be a once in a lifetime opportunity. Of course every other top-athlete will believe the same and suddenly nearly everyone is taking drugs.

Sports competition, in the final analysis, is just a more cultivated form of a battle for resources (material and immaterial), that has been happening in our species and in other species for millions of years. The modern human mind is able to create boundaries and rules for this battle, but whenever there is a way to gain an advantage by breaking those rules, competitors at the top will be very, very hard pressed to do so. Those people are not like the majority of people posting in this forum for whom training and sports is a more or less serious hobby. This is their career that they work for every single day for multiple hours just like we spend that time in school or work to succeed with our resource-gathering strategy. The difference between the two is that professional sports is very unforgiving and there is little place for average performers - unlike in many other fields of human life today. Top athletes make it their life goal to succeed and the way this is done quickly becomes secondary.

So no, I do not think that he is exaggerating at all.

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Re: Interview about Drugs in Sports (mainly sprinting)
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2012, 10:13:29 am »
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If drugs are really as far in front of the testers as this dude says they are than I guess I could believe it. However, if there was a decent chance they'd get caught I don't think they'd risk it. Imagine how much Usain Bolt stands to lose financially if he tests positive to PED's. Majority of his money would come from sponsers and endorsements and his profile would be shattered overnight. Same as any top sprinter coz the sprinters at the very top have the most to lose. Up and coming athletes that don't have much profile or guys that are past their peak or realize they just can't compete with the best without PED's would take them regardless though (e.g Steve Mullings). Once you get caught though your career is over just look at Ben Johnson and Dwain Chambers as examples of that. Even if your career isn't over (Justin Gatlin) your name is forever tarnished.
I wreckon heaps of NFL athletes juice up though. There's really not as much stigma to it if you get caught because you only get banned for a few weeks and than everybody kind of forgets about it. To back that statement up you just got to look at people like Bill Romanowski coming out and admitting he took steroids in parts of his NFL career and barely anybody blinks an eye or dare suggests that his accomplishments are somehow tarnished.
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