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killy plant technique
« on: September 04, 2015, 01:30:22 pm »
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jordan kilganon vid raptor linked in the dunks vid.

https://www.facebook.com/Dunkademics/videos/916184518458341/

most of thse dunks you cant see his feet but hte 720 (last dunk) you can see the whole plant.











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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2015, 02:23:00 pm »
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I can never understand how people plant like that. Doesn't make any sense. How don't their feet slip on the ground, how don't their shoes deform, how are they not collapsing instantly at the knee, how can they look at the rim while planting (how do they know where the ground is?!) and so on. And that position... look how weird those legs look like in that position.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2015, 02:34:36 pm »
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Seems pretty similar to my plant :/ Im not always that low but...foot placement is similar as is the lead in.

And the shoes DO get deformed, check pics 2, 6, and 7.
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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2015, 02:41:59 pm »
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IN comparison here is my approach and plant from a jump today

I am interested in his plant technique in particular. I noticed a very long penultimate L step and it's quite low too (is this a consequence of his fib being a small length?).

And then i also noticed when he brings his jumping R foot it's not brought to the level of the planted L foot, it seems to be further forward? (is this desirable, i think my feet end up adjacent on plant). Does the leading foot being further forward help get lower?

Finally I also noticed that when he brings through his leading foot he doesn't land heel first (I DO!). I s this another flaw to address? Will I just higher/better with landing on my forefoot?!
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 02:45:17 pm »
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Heel first seems like it would take longer IN the plant before pushoff occured?

And also...I dont tuink his feet are usually THAT far apart (one ahead of the other) in a plant UNLESS hes planning on a 360/540/720. Id think he have more rotational torque that way.
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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2015, 03:26:50 pm »
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do not try to replicate other people's plants. try to do YOUR plant as well as you can. that is the essence of what merrick was saying in the other thread.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2015, 10:22:31 pm »
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I wouldn't go about making sweeping changes but small tweaks to make him more efficient could be beneficial?
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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2015, 06:33:58 am »
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Heel vs toe plant has been covered here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgjTF9tepQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgjTF9tepQ</a>

the video suggests heel with a quick rocking down.

i havent tried leading with a forefoot landing but i would be interested in seeing how it feels..
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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2015, 10:08:16 am »
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It's always a heel lead with the foot. Always.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eW0qMfGzb0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eW0qMfGzb0</a>

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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2015, 01:25:00 pm »
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Well a SL jump will ALWAYS have heel contact first, but in DL jumps, don't a lot of people plant on toes?

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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2015, 05:43:24 pm »
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No, any jumper I've seen leads with the heel, just like in a one-leg jump. Basically, ankle dorsiflexion before jumping. If you would plant in plantar flexion, it will take too long and also the Achilles would not be already stretched out.

It would be plantar flexion -> dorsiflexion -> ankle overload (possible ankle collapse) -> plantar flexion

Whereas in a proper plant its' dorsiflexion -> plantar flexion jump

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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2015, 06:37:30 pm »
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No, any jumper I've seen leads with the heel, just like in a one-leg jump. Basically, ankle dorsiflexion before jumping. If you would plant in plantar flexion, it will take too long and also the Achilles would not be already stretched out.

It would be plantar flexion -> dorsiflexion -> ankle overload (possible ankle collapse) -> plantar flexion

Whereas in a proper plant its' dorsiflexion -> plantar flexion jump

I did not mean plant on your toes plantar flexed lol.  I meant land on toes/ball of foot with shin angle forward since a RVJ has you moving forward.  The plant is the same as a depth jump plant or depth drop landing.  That will have the heel not touch the floor while still planting in dorsi flexion
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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2015, 03:05:10 pm »
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Well, good luck. Imagine the amount of strength and CNS speed to lockdown to do that.

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2015, 05:43:10 pm »
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Well, good luck. Imagine the amount of strength and CNS speed to lockdown to do that.

lol what are you talking about?  i was just mentioning that many people do DL jumps like that.  You think nobody does that and it's some very difficult plant?  Why is the amount of strength and CNS speed so overwhelming lol.  It is a normal plant used by many in DL jumps where the heel doesn't touch the ground

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Re: killy plant technique
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2015, 08:22:41 am »
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Well, good luck. Imagine the amount of strength and CNS speed to lockdown to do that.

lol what are you talking about?  i was just mentioning that many people do DL jumps like that.  You think nobody does that and it's some very difficult plant?  Why is the amount of strength and CNS speed so overwhelming lol.  It is a normal plant used by many in DL jumps where the heel doesn't touch the ground

Really? Show me.