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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2012, 11:37:10 pm »
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Never got drunk so I have no idea how that works. Sleeping in your own vomit doesn't sound too enticing to me.

It's not because of the drunkeness, it's because alcohol is a diuretic so the next day you're 3-8 pounds lighter.

After a night of drinking, I usually gain like 3-5 lbs...  The explanation I've been told is that since it's a diuretic, it dehydrates my body causing water retention.  How come you guys don't get this water retention/weight gain?

For sure it is water retention, because I lose the weight after ~2 days if I drink a lot of water.

Unless you're drinking gallons of water along with whatever alcoholic drinks you're drinking, this makes no sense. You can't just make yourself weigh more out of nothing.
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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 06:05:07 am »
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wtf? :ninja:

So when you take diuretics that make you piss a lot a lose water, you gain water weight, and when you drink a ton of water you lose water weight?

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 06:48:52 am »
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Look, I don't know much about this, or anything, but I've been told when you have high water retention, you need to drink a lot of water to get the water weight out... Something along the lines of, when the body is being fed a lot of water, it will stop holding onto water because it knows it's getting enough now..

I don't know, it doesn't make much sense to me, but all I know is, when I'm out drinking the night away, the next day I'm pretty much ALWAYS 3-5lbs heavier...  I don't understand this..
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 11:01:49 am »
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Drinking tons of water one day then drinking little the next will get the extra water out.

But for the alcohol, that seriously makes no sense and I think you're imagining things. It's not possible for you to weigh 3-5 pounds more unless you drank 3-5 pounds, didn't urinate at all, didn't digest food at all, etc. Weight can't come from nowhere. Alcohol dehydrates you because it takes water out of you. It doesn't dehydrate you because it makes you hold onto water.
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 12:03:12 pm »
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Look, I don't know much about this, or anything, but I've been told when you have high water retention, you need to drink a lot of water to get the water weight out...

And you believed that?

First of all, it's taking a piss and/or sweating that takes the water out of your body. Drinking water again after that will just replace what water you got rid of. If you want to lose a net amount of water, you'll have to drink LESS after that.

Something along the lines of, when the body is being fed a lot of water, it will stop holding onto water because it knows it's getting enough now..

Yes, your body will eventually stop holding extra water because it can only hold so much.
If a bucket of water is filled to the top, the bucket won't hold extra water if you pour more into it.

I don't know, it doesn't make much sense to me, but all I know is, when I'm out drinking the night away, the next day I'm pretty much ALWAYS 3-5lbs heavier...  I don't understand this..

The only way I can resolve this is this:
You probably didn't drink that much, but what you DID do, was have a lot of carbs and salty stuff and then drank a crap load of water throughout the night so you're holding more water weight and you also didn't piss or sweat enough throughout the night.
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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 12:35:09 pm »
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Drinking tons of water one day then drinking little the next will get the extra water out.

But for the alcohol, that seriously makes no sense and I think you're imagining things. It's not possible for you to weigh 3-5 pounds more unless you drank 3-5 pounds, didn't urinate at all, didn't digest food at all, etc. Weight can't come from nowhere. Alcohol dehydrates you because it takes water out of you. It doesn't dehydrate you because it makes you hold onto water.

no, jc. weight comes from HFCS and too many grains. everyone knows this. where have you been.
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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 01:31:44 pm »
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Drinking tons of water one day then drinking little the next will get the extra water out.

But for the alcohol, that seriously makes no sense and I think you're imagining things. It's not possible for you to weigh 3-5 pounds more unless you drank 3-5 pounds, didn't urinate at all, didn't digest food at all, etc. Weight can't come from nowhere. Alcohol dehydrates you because it takes water out of you. It doesn't dehydrate you because it makes you hold onto water.

no, jc. weight comes from HFCS and too many grains. everyone knows this. where have you been.

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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2012, 03:15:02 pm »
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no, jc. weight comes from HFCS and too many grains. everyone knows this. where have you been.


lol, of course silly. its been proven that grains and HFCS can defy the laws of thermodynamics many times over  :headbang:
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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 08:35:09 am »
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i do my SVJs in the same workout a few minutes after the squats, probably ~ 20-30mins max after the last heavy squat rep. again, my legs might have lifted heavy weights, but the way i lifted it really minimizes fatigue. in this 445x1 paused rep vid, i was still able to get low 40s SVJ in the same workout even thought my squat ramping went thru 5 sets of 400+ (400,410,420,430,440,445)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSq-YOYOmw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSq-YOYOmw</a>

i agree with the weight loss from dehydration prior to near max jump attempts. i don't drink alcohol but i usually comsume 4-5 shots of black espresso before getting to my max weight when i lift. i have to use the can in between sets most of the time.. by the time the lifts are done, i've lost a lot of water weight. that + muscles that have been primed nicely = consistent high 30s/low 40s SVJs. 
wow 2.62bw? now who said dont squat more than 2.5 your bw for squats . now im confused

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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2012, 02:22:20 pm »
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wow 2.62bw? now who said dont squat more than 2.5 your bw for squats . now im confused

Whoever it was, I think he was referring to the fact that after a certain ratio, your returns are GREATLY diminishing and you're better off maintaining that ratio and go full on plyos and practicing jumps.
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Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2012, 04:28:48 pm »
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This.

And since this is a kellyb thread...

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljumpfaq.html

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But I heard I need to squat faster with light weights to improve power production for vertical jumping and that lifting heavy weights will make me slow?

Until you have a really good base of strength in place you will get faster with light weights by increasing the poundage on your max lifts. Let me explain: Let's say we take someone with a 150 pound bench press who wants to be a great shotputter. Someone tells him that he can be an olympic caliber thrower if he just practices being very explosive with light weights. So he trains by putting 100 pounds on the bar and does sets of 5 as fast as he can. What's gonna happen when he goes out and throws against 400 pound bench pressers who can throw 300 pounds around as fast as he can throw 100? He's gonna get his butt kicked that's what's gonna happen.

Just for the sake of argument let's say that the guy who can throw around 100 pounds the fastest will have a superior vertical jump. Who's gonna throw around 100 pounds faster - The guy with a max squat of 135 pounds, or the guy with a max squat of 300 pounds. Definitely the guy with the 300 pound squat. But if we were to compare a 600 pound squatter to an 800 pound squatter in the same task the answer may not be so clear cut.

The main point is, unless you're already stronger than an ox, the fastest way to improve your ability to lift light weights is to increase your maxes, and the best way to do that is to lift fairly heavy with reps between 1 and 10 with weights between 70 and 100% of your 1 rep max. Lifting light loads will not improve max strength. When lifting heav weights the load may not move that fast but it doesn't need to move that fast.

As for heavy weights making you slow, this is only true of people who carry strength training to the extreme. Even then, it's not the strength or heavy weight that creates slowness, it is the excessive muscular bodyweight that can develop. To verify this all you have to do is look at olympic weightlifters. Their entire sport is based on lifting heavy weights, yet they have the best vertical jumps of all athletes and are as fast as sprinters out to 30 meters.

Some people are sometimes under the misguided assumption that strength training with heavy weights makes one slow because it can create a temporary state of fatigue and soreness in the muscles. That fatigue will sometime temporarily "mask" explosiveness. The solution to that is very simple: Take some occassional downtime and let that fatigue dissipate.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
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Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?