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Performance Area => Article & Video Discussion => Topic started by: Harvey on April 03, 2012, 05:53:05 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1lsMTxPlU
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thanks for posting this
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1) Press play
2) Watch first seconds of the video , see "not enough time spent on vertical jump technique"
3) Stop watching worthless video.
Now besides irony, if anyone really wants to know what are the biggest mistakes in vert training , this is the article:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html
And right after , you will be asking "ok , so what should i do?"
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljumpfaq.html
/thread
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1) Press play
2) Watch first seconds of the video , see "not enough time spent on vertical jump technique"
3) Stope watching worthless video.
Now besides irony, if anyone really wants to know what are the biggest mistakes in vert training , this is the article:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html
And right after , you will be asking "ok , so what should i do?"
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljumpfaq.html
/thread
You would be surprised how many people don't know how to jump. People who've played basketball for years think they know what they're doing when they have no biomechanical insight to the jump. Get over yourself.
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You would be surprised how many people don't know how to jump. People who've played basketball for years think they know what they're doing when they have no biomechanical insight to the jump. Get over yourself.
This whole 'vertical jump technique' mania is the latest marketing discovery of the vertical jump training industry.
It works awesome for pussies and silly kids , why kill yourself under a squat rack? Who sais so, Verkoshansky and Baggett? They didn't know the super duper secretz for exploziv vertz gainz! Learn correct form and gain instant inchez , Adam Lickmyboner promises it does!!! This cool dude from his couch does too!!! Thats so cool! :D
inb4:
Its a good idea for you to stop talking so much and read more, train for a few years. Even complete a program or two. Then come around and hash out all this knowledge you have.
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You would be surprised how many people don't know how to jump. People who've played basketball for years think they know what they're doing when they have no biomechanical insight to the jump. Get over yourself.
This whole 'vertical jump technique' mania is the latest marketing discovery of the vertical jump training industry.
It works awesome for pussies and silly kids , why kill yourself under a squat rack? Who sais so, Verkoshansky and Baggett? They didn't know the super duper secretz for exploziv vertz gainz! Learn correct form and gain instant inchez , Adam Lickmyboner promises it does!!! This cool dude from his couch does too!!! Thats so cool! :D
inb4:
Its a good idea for you to stop talking so much and read more, train for a few years. Even complete a program or two. Then come around and hash out all this knowledge you have.
That didn't contradict anything I said? You're trying to prove me wrong by changing the subject lol? Seriously though, the biggest thing I see with jumping athletes who might not be up to scratch as far as technique goes is that they spend too much time on the ground on the final step. People need to undertstand that it has to be a quick motion.
Also, the planting of feet - a lot of basketballers have a tendency to plant one foot then the other in a very non-explosive manner. The feet should almost touch the ground at the same time.
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In all seriousness , i do believe that this jumping form issue is overrated.
I believe that if someone jumps often , he will naturally jump with the best form for his structure/levers/strength/body composition. A few advices and main guidlines are ok but that's it.
What is REALLY benefitial is go out and jump often , that's not practicing jump form , it's just practicing jumping and its enough.
That "biomechanical insight to the jump" and overanalyzing how each step and part of the plant should be is plain bullshit.
Edit:
Decided to spice it up a little:
Also, the planting of feet - a lot of basketballers have a tendency to plant one foot then the other in a very non-explosive manner. The feet should almost touch the ground at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aozoz6Zu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrPjl-927Q
woot! :P
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Yeah all those issues that ball players have technically are due to either:
1) Lack of strength in the proper places to "look" and "act" good on their run-up/plants
or
2) Lack of practice
Sometimes there's a 3rd:
3) Bad structure for that particular jumping method. But truth be told, you're going to have a bad structure if SOMEONE tells you to jump differently (say a two footed jumper meets someone who tells him to jump off one leg and he sucks - that could be a structure problem but MOST LIKELY it's a lack of practice and lack of strength in the proper places).
When I started to jump 12 years ago after doing no kind of sports up until that point (up until being 15 years old) - obviously I was completely uncoordinated and had a 12 inch jump. But over time I'd say my jump technique got pretty good just by jumping day in and day out to the rim. I had no understanding whatsoever of training/techique or anything like that, just jump.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1lsMTxPlU
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you r YOKED, u do smolov?????
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In all seriousness , i do believe that this jumping form issue is overrated.
I believe that if someone jumps often , he will naturally jump with the best form for his structure/levers/strength/body composition. A few advices and main guidlines are ok but that's it.
What is REALLY benefitial is go out and jump often , that's not practicing jump form , it's just practicing jumping and its enough.
That "biomechanical insight to the jump" and overanalyzing how each step and part of the plant should be is plain bullshit.
Of course you shouldn't spend copious amounts of time re-analysing how you jump, but if it's a dodgy looking jump, it needs to be fixed. For example, when testing spike reach at the academy, an athlete touched 3.30m. When our strength coach said to change how he locked off with his left foot for to accelerate upwards (for the vertec), he was able to get to 3.33m. It's small stuff that CAN make a difference.
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In all seriousness , i do believe that this jumping form issue is overrated.
I believe that if someone jumps often , he will naturally jump with the best form for his structure/levers/strength/body composition. A few advices and main guidlines are ok but that's it.
What is REALLY benefitial is go out and jump often , that's not practicing jump form , it's just practicing jumping and its enough.
That "biomechanical insight to the jump" and overanalyzing how each step and part of the plant should be is plain bullshit.
Of course you shouldn't spend copious amounts of time re-analysing how you jump, but if it's a dodgy looking jump, it needs to be fixed. For example, when testing spike reach at the academy, an athlete touched 3.30m. When our strength coach said to change how he locked off with his left foot for to accelerate upwards (for the vertec), he was able to get to 3.33m. It's small stuff that CAN make a difference.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/164109_166396253403775_166395890070478_310642_1675514_n.jpg)
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In all seriousness , i do believe that this jumping form issue is overrated.
I believe that if someone jumps often , he will naturally jump with the best form for his structure/levers/strength/body composition. A few advices and main guidlines are ok but that's it.
What is REALLY benefitial is go out and jump often , that's not practicing jump form , it's just practicing jumping and its enough.
That "biomechanical insight to the jump" and overanalyzing how each step and part of the plant should be is plain bullshit.
Of course you shouldn't spend copious amounts of time re-analysing how you jump, but if it's a dodgy looking jump, it needs to be fixed. For example, when testing spike reach at the academy, an athlete touched 3.30m. When our strength coach said to change how he locked off with his left foot for to accelerate upwards (for the vertec), he was able to get to 3.33m. It's small stuff that CAN make a difference.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/164109_166396253403775_166395890070478_310642_1675514_n.jpg)
You talk a lot of shit for someone who squats 115.
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In all seriousness , i do believe that this jumping form issue is overrated.
I believe that if someone jumps often , he will naturally jump with the best form for his structure/levers/strength/body composition. A few advices and main guidlines are ok but that's it.
What is REALLY benefitial is go out and jump often , that's not practicing jump form , it's just practicing jumping and its enough.
That "biomechanical insight to the jump" and overanalyzing how each step and part of the plant should be is plain bullshit.
Of course you shouldn't spend copious amounts of time re-analysing how you jump, but if it's a dodgy looking jump, it needs to be fixed. For example, when testing spike reach at the academy, an athlete touched 3.30m. When our strength coach said to change how he locked off with his left foot for to accelerate upwards (for the vertec), he was able to get to 3.33m. It's small stuff that CAN make a difference.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/164109_166396253403775_166395890070478_310642_1675514_n.jpg)
You talk a lot of shit for someone who squats 115.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/164109_166396253403775_166395890070478_310642_1675514_n.jpg)
r u a shemale?
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You're not funny.
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You're not funny.
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After talking with the video author on youtube i gotta say:
1) He is a very nice guy , not at all over his head , he knows his shit and he has impressive ups too!
2) I watched the video today , most of it is about strength training and not jumping technique. Nothing bad in what he says. Nothing ground breaking either, what he says is very well known and i don't think its useful for anyone who has read the very basics of jump training. But it's not another 'learn jump form secretz for explosive instant inchez gainz" vid like i thought. It will not do any harm to a noob that sees it and carries those rules to his training.
Gotta be fair...
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I'm glad.
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lol. people like vagina just react so strongly. stop reacting, take a step back and think. glad to see at least vag was able to do that.
I'm like that too, always reacting, especially on forums where everyone is anonymous. But seirously, both parties have techniques that work..
I've increased my running vert 2'' instantly by trying to have my feet plant at the same time on an RL plant. As I reached out to plant with my right foot, I prepared my left foot to shoot out in front ready to jump.. bam instant 2'' is HUGE.
But in a game, it doesn't matter if you have a 45'' max vert with perfect technique, and can still dunk over your competition with 40.. there is no demand to use good technique.
if vertical jumping was an olympic event... there would be EXTREMELY HIGH DEMAND for good technique. just my thoughts. I agree with lance though, train for a few years, then start talking. It's hard htough everyone wants to talk all the time including myself! Be nice.