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StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« on: September 16, 2010, 04:07:21 am »
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what yall think? I mean I think it looks like a pretty legit before & after video

http://www.canhedunk.com/Global/Episodes/Default.aspx

good stuff imo.. 10 weeks, a few inch gains on pretty much everyone, i think one guy looked to have gained around 4 or so i forget.. anyway, no INSANE gains, which is truthful.

next step, "canheBTL.com", take those kids to BTL level, now i'd love to see that.. looool.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2010, 11:23:14 am »
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what yall think? I mean I think it looks like a pretty legit before & after video

http://www.canhedunk.com/Global/Episodes/Default.aspx

good stuff imo.. 10 weeks, a few inch gains on pretty much everyone, i think one guy looked to have gained around 4 or so i forget.. anyway, no INSANE gains, which is truthful.

next step, "canheBTL.com", take those kids to BTL level, now i'd love to see that.. looool.

peace

They got some okay gains although I have to say that I did not find the results impressive. I mean, if you can pick 7 determined players, most 6' and taller (the only two smaller ones, not surprisingly, were not be able to dunk at the end of week 10) , already jumping pretty well for their untrained state, it is not hard to get their strength up considerably in 10 weeks, which will immediately show in their vertical jumps. I found it funny that they said that basketball players are not olympic weightlifters and have to train differently. If you take complete untrained novices and put them in an olympic weightlifting program that actually produces strength gains, a higher vertical jump is exactly what will occur.

So, this was a cool project and the improvements were solid. But I am not surprised or anything about what was done and what has been achieved through it.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 04:51:28 pm »
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what yall think? I mean I think it looks like a pretty legit before & after video

http://www.canhedunk.com/Global/Episodes/Default.aspx

good stuff imo.. 10 weeks, a few inch gains on pretty much everyone, i think one guy looked to have gained around 4 or so i forget.. anyway, no INSANE gains, which is truthful.

next step, "canheBTL.com", take those kids to BTL level, now i'd love to see that.. looool.

peace

They got some okay gains although I have to say that I did not find the results impressive. I mean, if you can pick 7 determined players, most 6' and taller (the only two smaller ones, not surprisingly, were not be able to dunk at the end of week 10) , already jumping pretty well for their untrained state, it is not hard to get their strength up considerably in 10 weeks, which will immediately show in their vertical jumps. I found it funny that they said that basketball players are not olympic weightlifters and have to train differently. If you take complete untrained novices and put them in an olympic weightlifting program that actually produces strength gains, a higher vertical jump is exactly what will occur.

So, this was a cool project and the improvements were solid. But I am not surprised or anything about what was done and what has been achieved through it.

i 100% agree.. as usual, well said. Regardless, it's good for the "VJ" world somewhat, something sponsored by nike and it's some small gains, nothing blown out of proportion or embellished. I'm actually going to watch all of the episodes, but just from the trailer, their training didn't look bad at all, heavy lifts, reactive work, etc.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 04:54:13 pm »
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i dont think the programming was very good. they only 2 max effort attempts per week? wtf is that.   also, i didnt see any plyos besides box jumps :/ and didnt see any form of squatting.   nontheless, most got pretty good gains. especially this one kid i saw.
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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2010, 05:03:44 pm »
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i dont think the programming was very good. they only 2 max effort attempts per week? wtf is that.   also, i didnt see any plyos besides box jumps :/ and didnt see any form of squatting.   nontheless, most got pretty good gains. especially this one kid i saw.

i'll check the episodes soon, but from the trailers i saw trap bar, squatting, and lots of reactive work.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2010, 05:52:16 pm »
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i dont think the programming was very good. they only 2 max effort attempts per week? wtf is that.   also, i didnt see any plyos besides box jumps :/ and didnt see any form of squatting.   nontheless, most got pretty good gains. especially this one kid i saw.

i'll check the episodes soon, but from the trailers i saw trap bar, squatting, and lots of reactive work.

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Yes, they got a pretty versatile mix of things!

As for only 2 max attempt jumps per week one might argue that you should not wear yourself out during testing if you have a lot of training volume. Some of those guys had heavy work schedules (basketball practice) besides their performance training - obviously not optimal, but it makes sense in that scenario not to overdo test attempts and allow for better recovery so that effective training can happen.
But yes, normally I would go for more trials at least toward the end of the training phase.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2010, 08:28:15 pm »
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they were only playing aau basketball which is at most 2x a week. not going to impact training too much, esp for beginners.  id still do more testing.
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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 09:46:03 pm »
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i only watched the first video, episode one, but it seemed to me the trainers knew what they were doing...or atleast had a plan that had doing the right stuff in it, instead of a track coach saying to do stadium steps all day or some shit

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 07:05:14 am »
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they were only playing aau basketball which is at most 2x a week. not going to impact training too much, esp for beginners.  id still do more testing.

I don't know what aau basketball is, but I read this in the first profile:

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Ben made phenomenal progress over the course of 10 weeks, especially given the fact he was incredibly active with both his high school and AAU basketball teams. It is really hard to make gains in your vertical jump when you have a two hour practice, or multiple games, every day of the week!

I can see where you are coming from though and I would have liked real VJ tests besides trying to dunk because those measurements would be more quantifiable.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 07:45:41 pm »
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I am with you Adarqui, I thought it was a great project from a respected coach. I am hoping to interview Alan Stein about it. The only issue I had was that Alan, who is oviously a damn good trainer and knows his stuff, and who has, like me, got his knickers in a knot from time to time about vertical jump scam artists, and who interestingly has posted in various blogs about the need to customize your training, is now ironically selling the programs used in the can he dunk project.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 02:42:11 am »
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I am with you Adarqui, I thought it was a great project from a respected coach. I am hoping to interview Alan Stein about it. The only issue I had was that Alan, who is oviously a damn good trainer and knows his stuff, and who has, like me, got his knickers in a knot from time to time about vertical jump scam artists, and who interestingly has posted in various blogs about the need to customize your training, is now ironically selling the programs used in the can he dunk project.

He wouldn't have done that if there weren't money involved into it, would he?

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 10:29:48 am »
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I am with you Adarqui, I thought it was a great project from a respected coach. I am hoping to interview Alan Stein about it. The only issue I had was that Alan, who is oviously a damn good trainer and knows his stuff, and who has, like me, got his knickers in a knot from time to time about vertical jump scam artists, and who interestingly has posted in various blogs about the need to customize your training, is now ironically selling the programs used in the can he dunk project.

Why should he not sell the program? It's something he created and I think it is legitimate to make money from it - presumed that it is a solid program, which we don't know I guess.

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2010, 08:33:12 pm »
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Hi Steve,

I should have clarified in my original post, I too have absolutely no objection to anyone selling a good vertical jump program but somewhere in the CanHeDunk project literature or one of the vieos I can't remember, Alan made a point about how the programs were custom designed for the athletes involved and tailored to their needs. Which would then make the design of those programs for others to use not necessarily that great unless the other users needs were similar.

It isn't a big deal andperhaps I am nit-picking, because on the whole I think what he did with the CanHeDunk project was really an excellent thing to do. I would like to see more of that sort of thing.

Cheers

Jack

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 03:32:33 am »
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Hi Steve,

I should have clarified in my original post, I too have absolutely no objection to anyone selling a good vertical jump program but somewhere in the CanHeDunk project literature or one of the vieos I can't remember, Alan made a point about how the programs were custom designed for the athletes involved and tailored to their needs. Which would then make the design of those programs for others to use not necessarily that great unless the other users needs were similar.

good point jackw, that's definitely relevant.. how is the program, does it have alot of customization or what? i imagine it's split into single leg jumpers vs double?


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It isn't a big deal andperhaps I am nit-picking, because on the whole I think what he did with the CanHeDunk project was really an excellent thing to do. I would like to see more of that sort of thing.

Cheers

Jack



ya i liked it..

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Re: StrongerTeam aka CanHeDunk : Episode 6 : Before & After Progress
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2010, 05:48:44 am »
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Hey Jack,

yeah, I can definitely see your point there! But I tend to think that there is no need to treat every individual differently training wise a lot of the time. Templates that were successful with one person, will likely be successful for another person of the same training status, who has the same goals. This is especially true for beginners, who are most likely to buy this program anyway, and becomes less valid with progressing training age.