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Performance Area => Article & Video Discussion => Topic started by: Raptor on April 04, 2012, 01:44:02 pm
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http://evolutionaryathletics.com/blogs/raptor/2012/04/04/bodyweight-and-the-one-leg-jump/
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you wrote an article?
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Yeah, why? You don't think I'm capable or what?
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I already talked about how flawed your whole situation is in the other thread. Squat is only one measure of strength. Some people are better squatters than others but that doesn't mean they are stronger. You squat to get stronger, not necessarily to measure your strength against others. Powerlifting has as much to do with technique/neural adaptations as it does strength.
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Except here I was comparing one guy with himself.
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Except here I was comparing one guy with himself.
No, because if the guy actually weighed 50 pounds more and only squatted 100 more, then it's not possibly the same guy.
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kind of scary that people will read articles about vertical jumping from a guy in his 20s that trains consistently yet still only has maybe a 30in vertical.
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Yeah, why? You don't think I'm capable or what?
no, just surprised for some reason. don't ask me why.
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I already talked about how flawed your whole situation is in the other thread. Squat is only one measure of strength. Some people are better squatters than others but that doesn't mean they are stronger. You squat to get stronger, not necessarily to measure your strength against others. Powerlifting has as much to do with technique/neural adaptations as it does strength.
That gets to the root of the issue, using the squat as an imaginary vertec, ESPECIALLY with single leg jumps. Some get a decent correlation with 2 leg jumps, youre training the same muscle groups in a very similar movement pattern, not the case with one leg jumping.
Calf strength is important, for every athlete, so good to see that in there.
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You know what people? You can fuck off. It's great that you have so many positive contributions to the athletic world though, not like me.
And chrisbro, how do you know how much I jump and with what background I started? If I naturally jump 50 inches staying with the hand in my butt, I can say anything I want and you'll believe me? "Wow, this guy jumps 50 inches, he must know what he's talking about!".
My IQ just got lower reading through this thread. So go fuck off. I'd say going from 20 to 36 inches off two feet is a pretty good improvement in my VJ in about 2 years and a half. But whatever, go fuck yourselves.
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kind of scary that people will read articles about vertical jumping from a guy in his 20s that trains consistently yet still only has maybe a 30in vertical.
So you would rather listen to someone like Air Up There who has like ~50inch vertical than Raptor who has a vertical in 'only' the high 30's?
Don't you realize this means you'll listen to AUT, who was born with his great hops through great genetics, and you'll just end up doing ab work 24/7?
Unlike Raptor, who was born with weak hops and bad jumping genetics, but improved it substantially over time.
This reminds me of noob lifters. "He has to know what he's talking about, cause he's RIPPED"
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You know what people? You can fuck off. It's great that you have so many positive contributions to the athletic world though, not like me.
And chrisbro, how do you know how much I jump and with what background I started? If I naturally jump 50 inches staying with the hand in my butt, I can say anything I want and you'll believe me? "Wow, this guy jumps 50 inches, he must know what he's talking about!".
My IQ just got lower reading through this thread. So go fuck off. I'd say going from 20 to 36 inches off two feet is a pretty good improvement in my VJ in about 2 years and a half. But whatever, go fuck yourselves.
Not everyone is attacking you dude, a point that jc made is very relevant in many of the other threads on here, there are at least 2 people saying "yea my squat went up to xxx and I still only jump xxx OFF ONE LEG". That didnt have anything against your article.
Calm down dude, tell the people directly that insulted you to fuck off, not everyone is.
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They know who I'm referring to. I'm not talking about everybody. But if you're to comment on something, how about saying something useful instead of bullshitting around (obviously I'm not talking to you).
You have an opinion and you'd like to share it? Do so. That's what a forum is all about. But to come around saying stuff like "you wrote an article" and "you jump 30 inches" and shit like that - that's not cool.
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But to come around saying stuff like "you wrote an article" and "you jump 30 inches" and shit like that - that's not cool.
Agreed.
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You know what people? You can fuck off. It's great that you have so many positive contributions to the athletic world though, not like me.
And chrisbro, how do you know how much I jump and with what background I started? If I naturally jump 50 inches staying with the hand in my butt, I can say anything I want and you'll believe me? "Wow, this guy jumps 50 inches, he must know what he's talking about!".
My IQ just got lower reading through this thread. So go fuck off. I'd say going from 20 to 36 inches off two feet is a pretty good improvement in my VJ in about 2 years and a half. But whatever, go fuck yourselves.
Didn't you used to claim you jumped 40 inches?
I'm not attacking you either, I'm just saying stop using irrelevant impossible situations. I only see one guy attacking you in this thread.
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Nah I've had my periods of ~38 inch jumps or around that value off one leg.
But the situations (pun intended) are relevant because they teach you how to think openly about stuff and become aware that there's more than squatting on this world. I think some people that train to jump off one leg don't have enough resources (at least compared to guys training to jump off two feet) to become aware of this and they just take squatting as the end all be all of improving jumping in general (so - including off one leg) and then tend to ignore everything else.
I also, in my endeavors around for years, haven't found anybody really explain what's going on with the calves, why are they important (or not), what they really do in a jump, how can they affect the "chain" etc. And some people need to understand that in order to take action and work on improving calf strength/believe they are or they are not important.
That's all I tried to do here. I wrote that article in a manner I would've liked someone to write it to me.
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Your situations are not relevant nor possible because there is no way a guy can put on 50 pounds, stay at the same bodyfat percentage, and only squat 100 pounds more. Do you understand how much 50 pounds of mostly lean body mass is? I don't see the point of talking about a hypothetical situation that can never happen. Talk about reality.
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Your situations are not relevant nor possible because there is no way a guy can put on 50 pounds, stay at the same bodyfat percentage, and only squat 100 pounds more. Do you understand how much 50 pounds of mostly lean body mass is? I don't see the point of talking about a hypothetical situation that can never happen. Talk about reality.
What if most of that 50lbs of mostly lean body mass went to the upper body, and just enough to the lower body to add only 100lbs to the squat?
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So if I would say "put on 10 lbs more and squatted 20 lbs more" that would've been OK? It's irrelevant. We're trying to make a point here, not being super-uber-duper specific to reality.
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THAT WASN'T A FUCKING INSULT.
chrisbro, though, man, really? adarq never got better than high 30's but we're all on his forum. we all listened to him like he was jesus christ when he was still active with people's training. and no one would have listened to taylor horton if he'd been the type to offer lots of advice, even though his vert is one of the highest on the forum.
personally i kind of liked the article. hypotheticals are silly and unproductive, in part because they lead to stupid bickering like the above or like in that other thread with ... T0dday maybe? and you? and JC? i can't remember. i got sidetracked. point is i don't think about my calves very often and it made me do that.
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Your situations are not relevant nor possible because there is no way a guy can put on 50 pounds, stay at the same bodyfat percentage, and only squat 100 pounds more. Do you understand how much 50 pounds of mostly lean body mass is? I don't see the point of talking about a hypothetical situation that can never happen. Talk about reality.
What if most of that 50lbs of mostly lean body mass went to the upper body, and just enough to the lower body to add only 100lbs to the squat?
That's not going to happen without steroids, which in turn, will put more muscle on your legs even without doing any kind of lower body work than actually training your lowerbody and staying natural. That's a sad fact.
And no, I still don't think it's possible to gain 10 pounds, stay at the same bf% and only add 20 on your squat. If he was to barely squat on his bulk, he'll lose the technique/neural adaptations/muscle firing he had before, making your situation irrelevant again. And if he was continuing his jumping while adding the 10 pounds, he'll put muscle on his legs.
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I don't think these hypothetical situations that are always deemed "impossible" are silly or unproductive though. Sure they may never be a case in real life, but that's besides the point.
Is it that hard to just look at the situation for what it represents: the effect of a higher bodyweight on single leg jumping, when the relative strengths are equal? Just accepting the 'impossible' hypothetical situation and analyzing it will shed light on many things like the importance of calf strength as he put in the article. So these "impossible situations" are actually very helpful IMO.
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I don't think these hypothetical situations that are always deemed "impossible" are silly or unproductive though. Sure they may never be a case in real life, but that's besides the point.
Is it that hard to just look at the situation for what it represents: the effect of a higher bodyweight on single leg jumping, when the relative strengths are equal? Just accepting the 'impossible' hypothetical situation and analyzing it will shed light on many things like the importance of calf strength as he put in the article. So these "impossible situations" are actually very helpful IMO.
You don't make points based on fairy tale situations.
But anyway, "Relative strengths" for squatting doesn't necessarily mean one is "Relatively stronger" for everything else. Look at it this way, Powerlifters backsquat more than Olympic lifters using the powerlifting technique, but Olympic Lifters front squat ATG more than powerlifters. So who is stronger? Stop using lifts as the only indicator, because there's a lot more to it than strength.
I've said this 1000 times
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I don't think these hypothetical situations that are always deemed "impossible" are silly or unproductive though. Sure they may never be a case in real life, but that's besides the point.
Is it that hard to just look at the situation for what it represents: the effect of a higher bodyweight on single leg jumping, when the relative strengths are equal? Just accepting the 'impossible' hypothetical situation and analyzing it will shed light on many things like the importance of calf strength as he put in the article. So these "impossible situations" are actually very helpful IMO.
You don't make points based on fairy tale situations.
But anyway, "Relative strengths" for squatting doesn't necessarily mean one is "Relative stronger" for everything else. Look at it this way, Powerlifters backsquat more than Olympic lifters using the powerlifting technique, but Olympic Lifters front squat ATG more than powerlifters. So who is stronger? Stop using lifts as the only indicator, because there's a lot more to it than strength.
I've said this 1000 times
I think you're getting too technical with these situations. Okay yeah I agree, squatting the same does not mean same strength.
But OBVIOUSLY the situation is just trying to say they have equal relative strength in the upper lower body muscles... I feel like you're always looking for flaws in each hypothetical situation (which there always is a thousand of), instead of looking at the point trying to be made.
Equal relative strength in upper lower body but one has higher BW, how does it affect unilateral jumping. Difference is how the calves come into play. Simple as that. You don't have to find flaws and totally disregard the obvious points trying to be made, because it's HYPOTHETICAL but still enlightening
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There were actually two points that were trying to be made with this article:
1) Don't take back squatting as the only strength indicator especially if you want to improve on your one leg jump
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2) Don't ignore your calves for the exposed reasons.
It's like saying "winning money on the lottery ain't going to make you happy" or something. It doesn't matter that you also start spending a lot more than before you won the lottery and end up broke in 1 month, it was about making a point. You know, being metaphoric and shit.
And I've tried to lay it out with that example so that people that will say that increasing bodyweight while also increasing the squat (even getting a better ratio so a better squat relative strength) will understand that there's more to it than that when it comes to jumping off one leg. And there are reasons why the bodyweight must be kept down. It's nothing more than this what that article is all about. I think people that wanted to understand DID understood what I was trying to say there.
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I don't think these hypothetical situations that are always deemed "impossible" are silly or unproductive though. Sure they may never be a case in real life, but that's besides the point.
Is it that hard to just look at the situation for what it represents: the effect of a higher bodyweight on single leg jumping, when the relative strengths are equal? Just accepting the 'impossible' hypothetical situation and analyzing it will shed light on many things like the importance of calf strength as he put in the article. So these "impossible situations" are actually very helpful IMO.
You don't make points based on fairy tale situations.
But anyway, "Relative strengths" for squatting doesn't necessarily mean one is "Relative stronger" for everything else. Look at it this way, Powerlifters backsquat more than Olympic lifters using the powerlifting technique, but Olympic Lifters front squat ATG more than powerlifters. So who is stronger? Stop using lifts as the only indicator, because there's a lot more to it than strength.
I've said this 1000 times
I think you're getting too technical with these situations. Okay yeah I agree, squatting the same does not mean same strength.
But OBVIOUSLY the situation is just trying to say they have equal relative strength in the upper lower body muscles... I feel like you're always looking for flaws in each hypothetical situation (which there always is a thousand of), instead of looking at the point trying to be made.
Equal relative strength in upper lower body but one has higher BW, how does it affect unilateral jumping. Difference is how the calves come into play. Simple as that. You don't have to find flaws and totally disregard the obvious points trying to be made, because it's HYPOTHETICAL but still enlightening
They do not have equal relative strength in the lower body, one is just a better squatter. If you're adding even 2 pounds of muscle to your legs (which is a lot, think of 2 pounds of meat), your strength is going to go up at a much higher rate.
The hypothetical situation makes no sense, it is impossible, and it is irrelevant.
And Raptor, I think YOU are the one who is using squatting as the indicator. Relative Strength in the squat =/= Relative Strength, yet you are using it for your ridiculous hypothetical situation. Just look at your quote
"Considering these variables, he has the same exact squat ratio, and the same exact structure (since we’re talking about the same individual here) – so what “version” of himself will jump more off one leg? From a mathematical standpoint, he’ll jump the same in each scenario. But from a real world perspective, he won’t. Unless he has other numbers the same as well."
No, they won't jump the same in each scenario, because a higher squat doesn't necessarily mean higher strength. That doesn't mean calves are more or less important
http://www.adarq.org/forum/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/importance-of-low-body-fat-percentage-when-jumping/msg68456/#msg68456
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There were actually two points that were trying to be made with this article:
1) Don't take back squatting as the only strength indicator especially if you want to improve on your one leg jump
AND
2) Don't ignore your calves for the exposed reasons.
It's like saying "winning money on the lottery ain't going to make you happy" or something. It doesn't matter that you also start spending a lot more than before you won the lottery and end up broke in 1 month, it was about making a point. You know, being metaphoric and shit.
And I've tried to lay it out with that example so that people that will say that increasing bodyweight while also increasing the squat (even getting a better ratio so a better squat relative strength) will understand that there's more to it than that when it comes to jumping off one leg. And there are reasons why the bodyweight must be kept down. It's nothing more than this what that article is all about. I think people that wanted to understand DID understood what I was trying to say there.
Sadly, I only realized this recently and just started adding RDL's to my lower body strength work which only consisted of full squats.
Hi Lance, so I'm a single leg jumper, and right now I'm am ~30" SVJ and ~38" RVJ. I am parallel squatting 220lbs for 5 reps at 153lb BW. Strength is obviously my biggest weakness right now, and I have been primarily focusing on getting my squat to 2xBW lately.
But when I think more about it. Since a SLRVJ is more p-chain dominant, wouldn't a conventional dead lift be the best primary strength builder for a single leg jumper like me? Right now I dead lift around 235lbs for 5 reps, (I have been squatting much more consistently and I have short arms, making dead lifts a lil harder). I would say I am good enough at using my lower body for dead lifts considering that my hamstrings are the main muscles getting murdered, and I lift the weight by snapping my hips forward. However, what's weird lately is my glutes don't burn at all during dead lifts (just like my squats as you have read from my other post), and for some reason, although my back is pretty straight, my UPPER back tends to get a weird uncomfortable feeling after heavy dead lifts?
Well lately, I have been keeping squats as my primary strength builder, with the trap bar dead lift as supplementary exercise. I am abroad right now, and my gym is tiny, and I would like to stick with what I am doing, which is 2 big lower body lifts. If you were currently in my situation, which 2 of the following 3 would you do, and which would you concentrate on as your primary lift? Squat / Dead Lift/ Trap Bar Dead Lift.
Thanks.
Hey Ineedtodunk, in theory the deadlift would seem to be a better a choice for single leg jumpers than the squat but in reality it just doesnt work that way for many people. IF your good at recruiting the glutes and hamstrings, then it can be a very good accessory, however what works best imo is to free squat on one day with ghr's done after, then box or pin squat from 1-2 " above parallel on the other day, with rdl's done after. The hex bar deadlift is very similar to a squat the way that most people do them, however they can be done with high hips similar to a rdl or traditional deadlift as well. For single leg jumping, you do need to pay special attention to the glutes and hams, but you also need to do single leg exercises as well. If you know how to do single leg box squats they are a great option, lunges, bss, and step ups done correctly as well.
So my advice is to push up your squat and box squat/pin squat, rdl and ghr, and single leg dominant exercise on both days. If you do that followed by training the lower leg adequately, you have a solid set up for a single leg jumper in the weight room. Make sure you are doing plenty of bounding, that alone can make a huge difference in progress. You have to train that movement pattern over and over with progressive resistance/intensity to not only produce force, but to absorb more force as well.
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I'm using what people tend to use when comparing strength, and that's the squat numbers. When people train they tend to increase their squat and obviously they compare themselves at their present point (squat/bodyweight) to themselves of say 3 months ago. And they discover that although they increased their squat to bodyweight ratio, they jump the same or maybe even less (if the added bodyweight breaks the jumping leg as a lever and they turn to strength jumpers off one leg instead). So they are wondering why are they jumping lower if they are "stronger".
That's all this is about. Nothing complicated about it.
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1. People are retarded. What they tend to use to measure strength means jack shit. You lift to get stronger, not measure your real world strength against others. Your whole article is based on using squat strength as a measure of strength, saying they have equal relative strength.
2. I highly doubt anyone who puts on muscle and stays at the same bodyfat percentage is jumping lower. It may not be as drastic as they expect, but squatting does indeed help with one leg jumping. If they are jumping lower, it's because they got squat obsessed and forgot you need to jump a lot as well.
3. Again, xx increase in squat =/= xx increase in strength
You're completely missing the point and I'm just repeating myself, so that's it.
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There were actually two points that were trying to be made with this article:
1) Don't take back squatting as the only strength indicator especially if you want to improve on your one leg jump
AND
2) Don't ignore your calves for the exposed reasons.
It's like saying "winning money on the lottery ain't going to make you happy" or something. It doesn't matter that you also start spending a lot more than before you won the lottery and end up broke in 1 month, it was about making a point. You know, being metaphoric and shit.
And I've tried to lay it out with that example so that people that will say that increasing bodyweight while also increasing the squat (even getting a better ratio so a better squat relative strength) will understand that there's more to it than that when it comes to jumping off one leg. And there are reasons why the bodyweight must be kept down. It's nothing more than this what that article is all about. I think people that wanted to understand DID understood what I was trying to say there.
Sadly, I only realized this recently and just started adding RDL's to my lower body strength work which only consisted of full squats.
Hi Lance, so I'm a single leg jumper, and right now I'm am ~30" SVJ and ~38" RVJ. I am parallel squatting 220lbs for 5 reps at 153lb BW. Strength is obviously my biggest weakness right now, and I have been primarily focusing on getting my squat to 2xBW lately.
But when I think more about it. Since a SLRVJ is more p-chain dominant, wouldn't a conventional dead lift be the best primary strength builder for a single leg jumper like me? Right now I dead lift around 235lbs for 5 reps, (I have been squatting much more consistently and I have short arms, making dead lifts a lil harder). I would say I am good enough at using my lower body for dead lifts considering that my hamstrings are the main muscles getting murdered, and I lift the weight by snapping my hips forward. However, what's weird lately is my glutes don't burn at all during dead lifts (just like my squats as you have read from my other post), and for some reason, although my back is pretty straight, my UPPER back tends to get a weird uncomfortable feeling after heavy dead lifts?
Well lately, I have been keeping squats as my primary strength builder, with the trap bar dead lift as supplementary exercise. I am abroad right now, and my gym is tiny, and I would like to stick with what I am doing, which is 2 big lower body lifts. If you were currently in my situation, which 2 of the following 3 would you do, and which would you concentrate on as your primary lift? Squat / Dead Lift/ Trap Bar Dead Lift.
Thanks.
Hey Ineedtodunk, in theory the deadlift would seem to be a better a choice for single leg jumpers than the squat but in reality it just doesnt work that way for many people. IF your good at recruiting the glutes and hamstrings, then it can be a very good accessory, however what works best imo is to free squat on one day with ghr's done after, then box or pin squat from 1-2 " above parallel on the other day, with rdl's done after. The hex bar deadlift is very similar to a squat the way that most people do them, however they can be done with high hips similar to a rdl or traditional deadlift as well. For single leg jumping, you do need to pay special attention to the glutes and hams, but you also need to do single leg exercises as well. If you know how to do single leg box squats they are a great option, lunges, bss, and step ups done correctly as well.
So my advice is to push up your squat and box squat/pin squat, rdl and ghr, and single leg dominant exercise on both days. If you do that followed by training the lower leg adequately, you have a solid set up for a single leg jumper in the weight room. Make sure you are doing plenty of bounding, that alone can make a huge difference in progress. You have to train that movement pattern over and over with progressive resistance/intensity to not only produce force, but to absorb more force as well.
There's a reason I deleted that post. So people wouldn't think I've been ONLY full squatting this past year. Lance, don't think I ask you for advice and not listen to it...
The post I deleted, I also deleted because I don't even know why I put that when it doesn't even make sense to my experience or to anything, cause I do know it's important to supplement squats, and I have been supplementing squats in the past.
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So Lance, you were saying to do full squats + GHR + one-leg exercise + lower leg exercise in one day? Isn't that a bit much? And box or pin squat from 1-2 " above parallel + RDL + one-leg exercise + lower leg on the other day?
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So my advice is to push up your squat and box squat/pin squat, rdl and ghr, and single leg dominant exercise on both days.
If so, I imagine the volume will be low for all these 4 exercises^^^
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^ so much questions with the one-leg running vertical training... :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf:
all you really need for a strong SVJ are big legs and consistent SVJ practice. makes life a lot less complicated. if you are fat. be unfat. :headbang:
and to be serious - the main benefit of the SVJ over the RVJ is the training consistency. there is less wear and tear / injury so you get to train longer.
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CALVES ARE IMPORTANT, MKAY?
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There were actually two points that were trying to be made with this article:
1) Don't take back squatting as the only strength indicator especially if you want to improve on your one leg jump
AND
2) Don't ignore your calves for the exposed reasons.
It's like saying "winning money on the lottery ain't going to make you happy" or something. It doesn't matter that you also start spending a lot more than before you won the lottery and end up broke in 1 month, it was about making a point. You know, being metaphoric and shit.
And I've tried to lay it out with that example so that people that will say that increasing bodyweight while also increasing the squat (even getting a better ratio so a better squat relative strength) will understand that there's more to it than that when it comes to jumping off one leg. And there are reasons why the bodyweight must be kept down. It's nothing more than this what that article is all about. I think people that wanted to understand DID understood what I was trying to say there.
Sadly, I only realized this recently and just started adding RDL's to my lower body strength work which only consisted of full squats.
Hi Lance, so I'm a single leg jumper, and right now I'm am ~30" SVJ and ~38" RVJ. I am parallel squatting 220lbs for 5 reps at 153lb BW. Strength is obviously my biggest weakness right now, and I have been primarily focusing on getting my squat to 2xBW lately.
But when I think more about it. Since a SLRVJ is more p-chain dominant, wouldn't a conventional dead lift be the best primary strength builder for a single leg jumper like me? Right now I dead lift around 235lbs for 5 reps, (I have been squatting much more consistently and I have short arms, making dead lifts a lil harder). I would say I am good enough at using my lower body for dead lifts considering that my hamstrings are the main muscles getting murdered, and I lift the weight by snapping my hips forward. However, what's weird lately is my glutes don't burn at all during dead lifts (just like my squats as you have read from my other post), and for some reason, although my back is pretty straight, my UPPER back tends to get a weird uncomfortable feeling after heavy dead lifts?
Well lately, I have been keeping squats as my primary strength builder, with the trap bar dead lift as supplementary exercise. I am abroad right now, and my gym is tiny, and I would like to stick with what I am doing, which is 2 big lower body lifts. If you were currently in my situation, which 2 of the following 3 would you do, and which would you concentrate on as your primary lift? Squat / Dead Lift/ Trap Bar Dead Lift.
Thanks.
Hey Ineedtodunk, in theory the deadlift would seem to be a better a choice for single leg jumpers than the squat but in reality it just doesnt work that way for many people. IF your good at recruiting the glutes and hamstrings, then it can be a very good accessory, however what works best imo is to free squat on one day with ghr's done after, then box or pin squat from 1-2 " above parallel on the other day, with rdl's done after. The hex bar deadlift is very similar to a squat the way that most people do them, however they can be done with high hips similar to a rdl or traditional deadlift as well. For single leg jumping, you do need to pay special attention to the glutes and hams, but you also need to do single leg exercises as well. If you know how to do single leg box squats they are a great option, lunges, bss, and step ups done correctly as well.
So my advice is to push up your squat and box squat/pin squat, rdl and ghr, and single leg dominant exercise on both days. If you do that followed by training the lower leg adequately, you have a solid set up for a single leg jumper in the weight room. Make sure you are doing plenty of bounding, that alone can make a huge difference in progress. You have to train that movement pattern over and over with progressive resistance/intensity to not only produce force, but to absorb more force as well.
There's a reason I deleted that post. So people wouldn't think I've been ONLY full squatting this past year. Lance, don't think I ask you for advice and not listen to it...
The post I deleted, I also deleted because I don't even know why I put that when it doesn't even make sense to my experience or to anything, cause I do know it's important to supplement squats, and I have been supplementing squats in the past.
lol, its cool man.
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So Lance, you were saying to do full squats + GHR + one-leg exercise + lower leg exercise in one day? Isn't that a bit much? And box or pin squat from 1-2 " above parallel + RDL + one-leg exercise + lower leg on the other day?
Here:
So my advice is to push up your squat and box squat/pin squat, rdl and ghr, and single leg dominant exercise on both days.
If so, I imagine the volume will be low for all these 4 exercises^^^
No, 4 exercises, each with different training targets isnt too much, especially if youre an athlete that wants to improve. Volume would totally depend on the athletes level.
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CALVES ARE IMPORTANT, MKAY?
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Based on what? Nothing in Raptor's article should help someone come up with that conclusion.
Rip can squat more than Lebron, therefore he has stronger upper legs, meaning calves are everything. derp
I'm not saying they aren't important however.
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kind of scary that people will read articles about vertical jumping from a guy in his 20s that trains consistently yet still only has maybe a 30in vertical.
So you would rather listen to someone like Air Up There who has like ~50inch vertical than Raptor who has a vertical in 'only' the high 30's?
chrisbro, though, man, really? adarq never got better than high 30's but we're all on his forum. we all listened to him like he was jesus christ when he was still active with people's training.
If you took something away from the article that's great, but I find it scary that someone with nothing more to his credit than middling results (from the videos he's posted I'm not buying his vert as being anywhere near high 30s) is writing articles on the subject. Adarq's trained athletes and if I'm not mistaken has a degree in a related field. It does help that his vert actually looks pretty good in videos but I would listen to a fat guy that could only jump 10 inches if he had good credentials.
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lol^^^ :uhhhfacepalm:
If you think what I wrote is incorrect you have the liberty to comment on that.
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Rip can squat more than Lebron, therefore he has stronger upper legs, meaning calves are everything. derp
But lebron at his best jumps gets his head a few inches above rim at 6'8'' , so his RVJ is low-mid 40s , while rip has 48''...
Buuuuuuuuurn!!!
:ninja:
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Rippetoe doesn't jump 48
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Oh wait...
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If you took something away from the article that's great, but I find it scary that someone with nothing more to his credit than middling results (from the videos he's posted I'm not buying his vert as being anywhere near high 30s) is writing articles on the subject. Adarq's trained athletes and if I'm not mistaken has a degree in a related field. It does help that his vert actually looks pretty good in videos but I would listen to a fat guy that could only jump 10 inches if he had good credentials.
true, but the second part -- the experience training others and the credentials -- is what matters, and your first post made it sound like you were more concerned with the first part. JC and i argued about this a while ago w/r/t lyle mcdonald. JC kept saying, "but who has he trained," and i kept saying, "i don't give a shit, what he writes is clear and logical and backed up by research and experience, whether his own or that of people he knows." and JC kept saying, "so basically, you're taking his word for it because it sounds right," and my head exploded.
all i took away from raptor's article was, "oh yeah, i have muscles between my knees and my ankles. maybe i should do something about them."