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The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« on: December 23, 2010, 06:26:52 am »
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Here's my take on milk,

It is unhealthy.

If I even drink milk, it would be almond milk/coconut milk/oatmilk/rice milk/goat milk. As due to the pasteurization and homogenisation it goes through, it loses all its enzymes and nutrients. You can get protein,calcium and vitamin D from elsewhere eg protein from raw nuts-Walnuts, Almonds, Pecans, Macadamia and NON DAIRY sources. You can get calcium from fish like salmon and green leafy vegetables like spinach. We know now how very important Vitamin D is in cancer prevention as well as a host of other health benefits. Fatty fish – such as wild salmon, sardines, and mackerel – are a good source of vitamin D. What is the best source of Vitamin D? SUNLIGHT! Getting 15 to 30 minutes of sun a day produces a healthy amount of Vitamin D. Just don't go for milk.

Here's a video:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHvMAUDHj4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHvMAUDHj4</a>

Another eyeopening video I think you all must see(check out the other 8 parts on youtube):
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCOC_3nZgg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCOC_3nZgg</a>

Ref: See these articles and learn from this guy,
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2009/11/milk-is-not-the-healthy-drink-you-think-it-is/
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2010/08/milk-it-doesnt-do-a-body-good/
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2008/06/the-truth-about-milk-again/
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2008/04/the-pasteurized-vs-raw-milk-debate/
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2008/02/the-deception-behind-organic-milk/
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2007/12/whats-so-bad-about-milk/
http://www.totalhealth4life.net/2010/09/milk-find-out-the-facts-for-once/

Bottom line : A no grains, no dairy diet, high in fruits and vegetables, with healthy lean grass-fed meats,nuts,beans,seeds will produce a great state of health, that is RESISTANT to disease. These are what we,humans,are made to eat.

Many of you may beg to differ. But this is just my opinion. Based on these studies from independent sources, its better to be safe than sorry. Anyway, I'm not some kind of nutritionist or expert. I'm 16 only and still learning. As a teenager myself, I try my best to follow it eg Eat organic if possible, but I know I can't control or choose what I want to eat due to financial issues. Having said that, I may want to try this kind of diet when I grow up and make money myself. My advice is that take charge in your own health now and you will live longer :D
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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 08:20:56 am »
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http://thefitnessinsider.menshealth.com/2007/05/if_you_were_at_.html

don't rely on only one source of information! This totalhealth4life-guy doesn't seem to be a nutrition expert...

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 01:43:19 pm »
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whatever....hold on while I chug this gallon of milk.......

ppl have said shit about milk forever, LUKE LOWERY, and still I drink it an receive protein from it...

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 02:15:10 pm »
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I think it's OK to drink milk from cows, not sure about bulls though.

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 02:24:27 pm »
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I think it's OK to drink milk from cows, not sure about bulls though.

ostrich milk is good

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 04:22:12 pm »
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Milk Intake, Circulating Levels of Insulin-Like Growth Factor-I, and Risk of Colorectal Cancer in Men

    *  Received December 15, 2000.
    * Revision received June 27, 2001.
    * Accepted July 6, 2001.

Abstract

Background: Milk and dietary calcium may have antiproliferative effects against colorectal cancer, but milk intake also raises serum levels of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I). A high ratio of IGF-I to IGF-binding protein-3 (IGFBP-3) has been linked to an increased risk of colorectal cancer.Conclusion: Intake of dairy products was associated with a modest increase in circulating IGF-I levels, but intake of low-fat milk was associated with lower risk of colorectal cancer, particularly among individuals with high IGF-I/IGFBP-3. This subpopulation, which is at increased risk of colorectal cancer, might benefit the most from specific dietary intervention.Conclusions: Our results indicate that individuals showing high consumption of milk have a potentially reduced risk of colon cancer; however, the association does not appear to be due to intake of calcium, vitamin D, or to specific effects of fermented milk.













A Role for Milk Proteins and their Peptides in Cancer Prevention

Author: Parodi, P. W.1

Source: Current Pharmaceutical Design, Volume 13, Number 8, March 2007 , pp. 813-828(16)
 
Abstract:
A role for the amount and type of dietary protein in the etiology of cancer has not been studied extensively. Nevertheless, there is no compelling evidence from epidemiological studies to indicate that protein, at levels usually consumed, is a risk factor for cancer. On the other hand, animal studies suggest that certain peptides and amino acids derived from dietary proteins may influence carcinogenesis. The predominant protein in milk, casein, its peptides, but not liberated amino acids, have antimutagenic properties. Animal models, usually for colon and mammary tumorigenesis, nearly always show that whey protein is superior to other dietary proteins for suppression of tumour development. This benefit is attributed to its high content of cystine/cysteine and ?-glutamylcyst(e)ine dipeptides, which are efficient substrates for the synthesis of glutathione. Glutathione is an ubiquitous cellular antioxidant that directly or through its associated enzymes destroys reactive oxygen species, detoxifies carcinogens, maintains proteins in a reduced state and ensures a competent immune system. Various experiments showed that tumour prevention by dietary whey protein was accompanied by increased glutathione levels in serum and tissues as well as enhanced splenic lymphocyte proliferation, phagocytosis and natural killer, T helper and cytotoxic T cell activity. Whey protein components, ?-lactoglobulin, ?-lactalbumin and serum albumin were studied infrequently, but results suggest they have anticancer potential. The minor component lactoferrin has received the most attention; it inhibits intestinal tumours and perhaps tumours at other sites. Lactoferrin acts by induction of apoptosis, inhibition of angiogenesis, modulation of carcinogen metabolising enzymes and perhaps acting as an iron scavenger. Supplementing cows with selenium increases the content of selenoproteins in milk, which on isolation inhibited colon tumorigenesis in rats.








that study is interesting ^^^


anyway, if anyone has any more REAL studies, post em`..

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2010, 04:35:01 pm »
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This guy sounds a lot like myself back not too long ago. I wholeheartedly encourage you to keep finding more health related information like this, just realize that in this information age, there are a lot of opinions out there, on youtube and internet. Just realize that nothing is definitive in these fields, almost nothing is really a truth, save for things like blueberries appear blue. Milk happens to be one of those topics where I can confidently say that little is "known."
Pasteurized milk consumption is questionable for sure, and unfortunately adarqui, none of the studies you showed are going to make the matters clearer because of their nature:

Epidemiological studies are way too broad to prove anything, there are too many variables. Fortunately, they show things, and then lab scientists can follow up on the research to find cellular mechanisms. You can have a very low correlation that bears significance with a large enough population with these studies. THe lack of detail makes these studies all speculative. And today, as we're realizing every individual's biochemical uniqueness, you really can't apply conclusions from these studies to yourself without some doubt.

On milk, the most telling evidence imo comes from studying native populations who consume unpasteurized milk straight from the udders which I think has much more therapeutic value for athletes.  Why are we in modernized society pasteurizing milk? TO kill bacteria of course, but unfortunately we do remove a few other things, vitamin C, some of the proteins, no need to list them all but these have been studied.

What's the significance? Not too much yet I think; many people drink milk with no problem, however, many do drink milk with problems. As much as I despise using epidemiological studies to prove my points, the Nurses Health Studies did show decreases in bone mineral density in women (again too broad . . .) The reason for the variability in bone density studies is that everyone is of course different... but with athletes, they may readily use the proteins much more than sedentary folk. The hypothesis goes that protein causes acidity ( i kinda forget) which is neutralized by calcium, but in many people, that calcium comes from their own bones.

As a side note, related to our obsession with killing bacteria, there are multiple studies on parasites showing that the lack of them may be contributing to inflammatory conditions today like alzheimers, obesity, depression (yes inflammatory). Here's a link to some of those [http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2010/12/that-tapeworm-ate-your-depression.html]studies[/http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2010/12/that-tapeworm-ate-your-depression.html]. We should have co-evolved with parasites, and most of us do not have enough of them.

As far as the theory that milk is for babies... i think that type of argument gets to heated over creationism, asking "what are we meant to do." If it provides some sort of benefit, why not? And for athletes, we're freaking growing, like babies, so milk is definitely awesome, raw that is imo.

"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2010, 11:06:51 pm »
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Easy calories. I don't care what any study says, cause you always find another study to contradict it.

Our ancestors rarely lasted past the age of 40. I don't care what they ate. They thought you got sick because of the devil.

Here's some broscience for you. As long as you stay at a healthy bodyweight, the types of diseases you get is pretty much decided by genetics. That's why few people who live past 100 actually care about their diet.
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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2010, 11:29:54 pm »
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Easy calories. I don't care what any study says, cause you always find another study to contradict it.

Our ancestors rarely lasted past the age of 40. I don't care what they ate. They thought you got sick because of the devil.

Here's some broscience for you. As long as you stay at a healthy bodyweight, the types of diseases you get is pretty much decided by genetics. That's why few people who live past 100 actually care about their diet.

lol this is a pretty great post..

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2010, 01:24:25 am »
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We'll gladly eat the meat, but we won't drink the milk that provided the nutrients for the meat's growth....? That right there just doesn't make sense.

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Re: The Truth About Milk. Good or Bad?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2010, 10:34:13 am »
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Truly and deeply retarded. If you have lactose intolerance, don't drink milk. If you don't like the taste of milk, don't drink milk. Otherwise, don't fucking worry about it.
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