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Title: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on July 30, 2011, 08:08:32 pm
So as a basketball player, I feel like my lack of handles is holding me back the most.  I mean, in a typical pick-up game at my universities rec center, I'm usually the 1st or 2nd best ball handler in the 5on5 game, but that's against average guys.  I want elite handles.  I have VERY good 1st step quickness which I blow by people with all the time, but I feel like it can go up another level if I had more handles.  I have a pretty good jump shot, good at finishing around the basket, I just want some yo-yo handles.  Now you tell me to stay consistent and work hard training for vert?  Easy, I'll do it as I currently am doing.  Want me to work on my jumpshot?  Easy, I can easily go to the gym and put up hundreds of shots a day.  Want me to work on my handles?  Not so easy.  I end up quitting after like 10-20 minutes and just shoot instead.  I have no structure unlike the other 2 things to train for.  I don't know what drills specifically to do that'll carryover the best for me.  

I was going to buy Effective-Ball Handling, (I know, Moroko = bad) and I know I'm basically just paying for a schedule, but I don't care.  I need a structured workout laid out for me when it comes to this.  BUT, it seems like he's not selling it anymore???

Do you guys know if Taylor Allan's (I know..) Ball Handling Mastery program is any good?

Are there any other ball handling products out there?  
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 30, 2011, 10:15:58 pm
the products are pretty nice (if you get oneallan's is better by a far shot), but you really don't need to buy them. You can just fuck around and get nice handles, but if you want a structured setup its pretty simple. Try this for the next four weeks. i did it back in 9th grade (year and a half) and improved my handles quickly. I always go back to it when im feeling rusty.

do the same stationary ball handling workout 5-7 days. 3-5 days a week work on your moves.

stationary workout (go as fast as heavenly possible and by the end of the  four weeks each drill should be easy as hell)

1. Ball Slaps: 25-50
2. Ball Squeezes: 25-50
3. finger tip taps: 10-20 times up and down
4. Ball wrap: 25 each hand each direction (head, waist, 2 legs, R/L leg, figure 8)
5. pounds: 20 each (shoulder high, waist high, ankle high) try to make dents in floor
6. V dribble complex: 30 each combo (crossover, between legs, behind back, 1 hand front, 1 hand side)
7. dribble wraps: 20 each (in wrap, out wrap, figure 8, scissors)
8. taps complex: 10 each (figure 8, R/L leg, 2 leg)
9. freestyle: 3-4 sets of 10-60 sec

adjust the volume to how you feel that day. if you need extra work on left just add more reps on that side. if you get bored just do other variations of each like with ball wraps new direction, v dribbles make them wide/add a dribble/etc. just be creative

whenever else you feel like it just practice your moves and really focus on the little details.

do this for four weeks then you can just progress by doing harder variations of each for 4 more weeks
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 30, 2011, 10:37:19 pm
the why behind it if your interested is this. you get the ball on a string with the ball handling so that the only thing you worry about when you work on your moves is footwork and not the ball. high frequency is really good for getting it on a string.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on July 31, 2011, 12:32:32 am
The absolute best trick I learned to work and focus on my ball handling. And it's the way I tell all my kids I coach to do it to.

DO NOT PRACTICE DRIBBLING ON A BASKETBALL COURT!

I know, it sounds counter-intuitive, but the reason being, it's like you said originally. You just end up shooting because the goal is there. But find a place, no goal, and just practice dribbling. You won't be tempted to shoot since there is no goal to shoot at. And honestly, 15-25 minutes is more than enough to practice. Otherwise, you're going to tire out too much and not enjoy it or work hard/explosively on your moves.

That's all I have. I won't bother giving you actual drills. Most people just do whatever feels good to them and honestly, if you don't have examples given in person, it's hard to explain over text anyways.

Anyways, hope that tip helps.

Edit:
Okay, I lied. I have one more tip.

DRIBBLE HARD. Slam that ball down. Watch College/NBA players with amazing ball control. Even when they're just standing/jogging with the ball, they throw that ball down -way- harder than the average rec league player, etc. Slamming the ball down means it will come back to your hard with greater force, allowing the ball to stick into your hand via momentum/inertia. The greater the ball sticks to your hand...obviously the easier it will be to maneuver it.

Now I'm done. :)
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 12:49:57 am
The absolute best trick I learned to work and focus on my ball handling. And it's the way I tell all my kids I coach to do it to.

DO NOT PRACTICE DRIBBLING ON A BASKETBALL COURT!

I know, it sounds counter-intuitive, but the reason being, it's like you said originally. You just end up shooting because the goal is there. But find a place, no goal, and just practice dribbling. You won't be tempted to shoot since there is no goal to shoot at. And honestly, 15-25 minutes is more than enough to practice. Otherwise, you're going to tire out too much and not enjoy it or work hard/explosively on your moves.

That's all I have. I won't bother giving you actual drills. Most people just do whatever feels good to them and honestly, if you don't have examples given in person, it's hard to explain over text anyways.

Anyways, hope that tip helps.

Edit:
Okay, I lied. I have one more tip.

DRIBBLE HARD. Slam that ball down. Watch College/NBA players with amazing ball control. Even when they're just standing/jogging with the ball, they throw that ball down -way- harder than the average rec league player, etc. Slamming the ball down means it will come back to your hard with greater force, allowing the ball to stick into your hand via momentum/inertia. The greater the ball sticks to your hand...obviously the easier it will be to maneuver it.

Now I'm done. :)

yo i have been unintentionally doing that for the past few years in my garage, but my reasoning has always been not to chase after the ball or look bad because i try to push to failure.

you always seem to have really great tips. why do you not have your own blog in the basketball subforum or something.

and not to be demanding or anything its just that YOU STILL HAVENT WRITTEN THE DEFENSE POST FROM MONTHS AGO.

again not to be rude, i am just very interested
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on July 31, 2011, 01:08:02 am
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Not rude at all. And I'm actually working on it.

www.callyourownfouls.com

It's barely even set up. It's going to be a part of my current pet project(s), www.NBAChat.co and www.NBAChatForum.co.

I do plan on having a personal/basketball blog. And I'm thinking about doing a weekly coaching feature or bi-weekly. Just depends on how much the whole chat-site and forum take up time-wise. But I have plans for it.

And yes, my bad on the defense post. I completely forgot. I'll try to do an abbreviate version in the next week or two. Honestly, I could go on for days about on-ball, man-to-man, zone, team-oriented, help and all other kinds of defense and techniques.

But thanks for reminding me, I'll definitely try to get some tips up on that for you in the next week or two. Work is starting to slow down for me and I'll have some more free time. Keep sending me reminders if I don't get it up for you soon.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on July 31, 2011, 07:10:09 am
Thanks for the advice guys.  Yeah I'll be doing the drills in my garage most likely.  Also, D-Rose Jr, have you tried Taylor Allan's ball handling mastery?  I know it's a 12 week program, but that's it.  Why do you think it's better than EBH?
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: Raptor on July 31, 2011, 07:22:33 am
Taylor Allan?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XxI1hBl8el0/TMSJ5HssjlI/AAAAAAAAAeU/HnAPX5wJdIc/s1600/do+not+want.jpg)
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on July 31, 2011, 07:24:59 am
I think Maroko is running this trial which you can try the EBH for $1 for 14 days, then you decide if you wanna pay for the rest and keep it or not.  ;D Sounds cool to me.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: JayC on July 31, 2011, 07:37:31 am
i don't get why you need a program? There are like a million drills and workouts layed out for you on youtube, it's not like Marokko has some secret combination of drills that is going to give you mad handles.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on July 31, 2011, 07:44:01 am
Taylor Allan's programs seem to be legit and have great feedback.
But in everyone of his videos he says whatever you are doing are hurting your potential and to be great you have to get his programs and shit that annoys me a lot.
He seems to be someone who really knows basketball. I am also interested in his programs. But really i think for ball-handling you can just do a lot of two ball drills and drills on the move.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on July 31, 2011, 07:48:31 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on July 31, 2011, 07:51:35 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.

That's what I need when it comes to ball handling lol.  Besides, just any random drills don't really work.  If I go to youtube and pick out the first 10 dribbling drills I see, who knows if I'll significantly improve.  I have no doubt Maroko and Allan make retarded claims in their videos and have no shame when it comes to scamming people, but that doesn't mean they don't know their basketball.  And to the rest, I KNOW I'm paying money for just essentially a schedule lol
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 10:43:51 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.

That's what I need when it comes to ball handling lol.  Besides, just any random drills don't really work.  If I go to youtube and pick out the first 10 dribbling drills I see, who knows if I'll significantly improve.  I have no doubt Maroko and Allan make retarded claims in their videos and have no shame when it comes to scamming people, but that doesn't mean they don't know their basketball.  And to the rest, I KNOW I'm paying money for just essentially a schedule lol

actually with ball handling you can just fuck around with the ball and get a lot better. That's why niggas that don't ever do shit can have nice handles but no shot.

yeah i tried taylor allans program in june and in about 3 weeks it helped a lot but i stopped because im going through the month of a july on an all play period so i can actually where im at. I tried maroko's half of program back in january. it is decent but i just didnt like how it scheduled shit/how it was just a bunch of drills so i just did my own shit.

Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on July 31, 2011, 10:51:06 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.

That's what I need when it comes to ball handling lol.  Besides, just any random drills don't really work.  If I go to youtube and pick out the first 10 dribbling drills I see, who knows if I'll significantly improve.  I have no doubt Maroko and Allan make retarded claims in their videos and have no shame when it comes to scamming people, but that doesn't mean they don't know their basketball.  And to the rest, I KNOW I'm paying money for just essentially a schedule lol

actually with ball handling you can just fuck around with the ball and get a lot better. That's why niggas that don't ever do shit can have nice handles but no shot.

yeah i tried taylor allans program in june and in about 3 weeks it helped a lot but i stopped because im going through the month of a july on an all play period so i can actually where im at. I tried maroko's half of program back in january. it is decent but i just didnt like how it scheduled shit/how it was just a bunch of drills so i just did my own shit.



I know you can just fuck around and get handles, but as I explained, it doesn't work out too well for me. 
In Taylor Allen's Ball Handling Mastery, how often do you do it?  How many days a week usually and how long are each session?
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 11:17:22 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.

That's what I need when it comes to ball handling lol.  Besides, just any random drills don't really work.  If I go to youtube and pick out the first 10 dribbling drills I see, who knows if I'll significantly improve.  I have no doubt Maroko and Allan make retarded claims in their videos and have no shame when it comes to scamming people, but that doesn't mean they don't know their basketball.  And to the rest, I KNOW I'm paying money for just essentially a schedule lol

actually with ball handling you can just fuck around with the ball and get a lot better. That's why niggas that don't ever do shit can have nice handles but no shot.

yeah i tried taylor allans program in june and in about 3 weeks it helped a lot but i stopped because im going through the month of a july on an all play period so i can actually where im at. I tried maroko's half of program back in january. it is decent but i just didnt like how it scheduled shit/how it was just a bunch of drills so i just did my own shit.



I know you can just fuck around and get handles, but as I explained, it doesn't work out too well for me. 
In Taylor Allen's Ball Handling Mastery, how often do you do it?  How many days a week usually and how long are each session?

try just freestyling for 3-5 minutes a day in a small secluded area.
4 days per week. if you really need it you can do 7 days a week by doing the stationary work erryday
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on July 31, 2011, 11:23:03 am
Hey can you tell me what the prolific shooting is like?
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on July 31, 2011, 11:25:04 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.

That's what I need when it comes to ball handling lol.  Besides, just any random drills don't really work.  If I go to youtube and pick out the first 10 dribbling drills I see, who knows if I'll significantly improve.  I have no doubt Maroko and Allan make retarded claims in their videos and have no shame when it comes to scamming people, but that doesn't mean they don't know their basketball.  And to the rest, I KNOW I'm paying money for just essentially a schedule lol

actually with ball handling you can just fuck around with the ball and get a lot better. That's why niggas that don't ever do shit can have nice handles but no shot.

yeah i tried taylor allans program in june and in about 3 weeks it helped a lot but i stopped because im going through the month of a july on an all play period so i can actually where im at. I tried maroko's half of program back in january. it is decent but i just didnt like how it scheduled shit/how it was just a bunch of drills so i just did my own shit.



I know you can just fuck around and get handles, but as I explained, it doesn't work out too well for me. 
In Taylor Allen's Ball Handling Mastery, how often do you do it?  How many days a week usually and how long are each session?

try just freestyling for 3-5 minutes a day in a small secluded area.
4 days per week. if you really need it you can do 7 days a week by doing the stationary work erryday

D-Rose Jr... LOL I mean seriously bro, I specifically mentioned a million times I don't wanna just freestyle dribble workout.  And when I ask what the schedule is like, you tell me what I said I don't wanna do 3-4x already in the previous posts.  I have done ball handling work on my own before.  I just want to try a program.  So.. what's the schedule like?  ;D
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 11:39:23 am
I think people tend to like how the programs tells you what to do everyday instead of just throw you a bunch of random drills.

That's what I need when it comes to ball handling lol.  Besides, just any random drills don't really work.  If I go to youtube and pick out the first 10 dribbling drills I see, who knows if I'll significantly improve.  I have no doubt Maroko and Allan make retarded claims in their videos and have no shame when it comes to scamming people, but that doesn't mean they don't know their basketball.  And to the rest, I KNOW I'm paying money for just essentially a schedule lol

actually with ball handling you can just fuck around with the ball and get a lot better. That's why niggas that don't ever do shit can have nice handles but no shot.

yeah i tried taylor allans program in june and in about 3 weeks it helped a lot but i stopped because im going through the month of a july on an all play period so i can actually where im at. I tried maroko's half of program back in january. it is decent but i just didnt like how it scheduled shit/how it was just a bunch of drills so i just did my own shit.



I know you can just fuck around and get handles, but as I explained, it doesn't work out too well for me.  
In Taylor Allen's Ball Handling Mastery, how often do you do it?  How many days a week usually and how long are each session?

try just freestyling for 3-5 minutes a day in a small secluded area.
4 days per week. if you really need it you can do 7 days a week by doing the stationary work erryday

D-Rose Jr... LOL I mean seriously bro, I specifically mentioned a million times I don't wanna just freestyle dribble workout.  And when I ask what the schedule is like, you tell me what I said I don't wanna do 3-4x already in the previous posts.  I have done ball handling work on my own before.  I just want to try a program.  So.. what's the schedule like?  ;D
dude you aren't that clear really.
the porgram is
4 days per week. if you really need it you can do 7 days a week by doing the stationary work erryday
that is the program length like i answered befroe. its just stationary work followed by some movement work.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on July 31, 2011, 11:41:11 am
ohhh, it sounded like you were telling me to freestyle 4 days a week or something.  What about each session?  How long do they usually lasT???
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 11:46:29 am
not too long from 20-45 minutes. really depends on how your handles are now.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on July 31, 2011, 12:30:35 pm
D-Rose Jr do you have Prolific Shooting? Can you tell me what its like?
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 12:31:40 pm
D-Rose Jr do you have Prolific Shooting? Can you tell me what its like?
i do not have it
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on July 31, 2011, 02:06:22 pm
alright... and what is Ball Handling Mastery like? is it a video, a pdf or ebook pro?
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: Raptor on July 31, 2011, 03:00:55 pm
alright... and what is Ball Handling Mastery like? is it a video, a pdf or ebook pro?

I can make one and sell it to you if you have the money. For sure.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: aiir on July 31, 2011, 03:06:37 pm
unless you are a 12 year old learning the game, do NOT do stationary basketball drills other then a QUICK warmup.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D-Rose Jr on July 31, 2011, 03:11:36 pm
unless you are a 12 year old learning the game, do NOT do stationary basketball drills other then a QUICK warmup.
i call complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: aiir on July 31, 2011, 05:10:54 pm
unless you are a 12 year old learning the game, do NOT do stationary basketball drills other then a QUICK warmup.

i call complete bullshit.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/ayecuh26/Animated%20Gif/7-1.gif)

explain or die.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: slowkidtryingtogetfast on July 31, 2011, 08:02:20 pm
yo ill pm you the programs for free, i got em for free
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on August 01, 2011, 12:55:04 am
unless you are a 12 year old learning the game, do NOT do stationary basketball drills other then a QUICK warmup.
i call complete bullshit.

I don't call complete BS, but it's definitely not a very wise statement. Stationary drills can be extremely helpful to kids/players of all ages. It just has to be the right kind of stationary work. It's all about difficulty and throwing in an added element to the work. There's literally thousands of variations of drills that are stationary and helpful to all ages.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: Jard on August 01, 2011, 03:51:54 am
unless you are a 12 year old learning the game, do NOT do stationary basketball drills other then a QUICK warmup.
i call complete bullshit.

I don't call complete BS, but it's definitely not a very wise statement. Stationary drills can be extremely helpful to kids/players of all ages. It just has to be the right kind of stationary work. It's all about difficulty and throwing in an added element to the work. There's literally thousands of variations of drills that are stationary and helpful to all ages.

Co-sign.
I still implement stationairy ball handling drills for about 20 minutes daily. It's not even about the variations, more-so about intensity. Most pound dribbles are a great way to improve ballhandling imo.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: LanceSTS on August 01, 2011, 04:25:14 am
 Stationary dribbling drills are fine but they shouldnt be the bulk of your training, not even close.  The goal of putting the ball on the floor is to GET SOME FUCKING WHERE.  The best ball handlers can cover massive court with very few dribbles.  Get inside the arc and its even more important to make sure every time you put the ball on the floor your going somewhere.

 Most the kids now days are standing in place playing with themselves trying to look like hot sauce while posts are wide open, the lane is closing, and end up getting ripped or no where.  Being able to attack with the dribble is an extremely important part of the game, but the key to being good at it is GETTING SOMEWHERE when you put the ball on the floor.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: LanceSTS on August 01, 2011, 01:16:17 pm


watch iverson, after he crosses, spins, etc., count the dribbles to the goal.  Hes behind the the three point line and takes one to two dribbles to get all the way to the goal in many of those clips.  Thats getting somewhere with the dribble.  The hardest guys to defend are the ones who can cover massive ground with very few dribbles, its easy to stay with someone playing with ball in place.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHWWV6-njbc
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: clintzyc24 on August 01, 2011, 03:06:04 pm
This is an article that talks about if stationary ball handling drills are waste of time.
http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/does-stationary-ball-handling-waste-valuable-practice-time/
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: D4 on August 01, 2011, 03:27:02 pm
Lessson:  stationary drills help and should be used, BUT make movement drills the primary focus. 
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on August 01, 2011, 06:08:41 pm
I guess I didn't mention this before so my philosophy isn't really clear.

There is a difference in what I consider ball-handling drills and what you guys probably consider ball-handling drills.

I'm going to guess most people lump and kind of dribbling practice into ball-handling drills.

But what I was talking about and what I teach my kids are that ball-handling drills are (stationary, and 2-3 step drills w/ the ball), then I teach my kids that dribble-drive moves are (used on the go, or to break down a man 1-on-1 or in the open court or in the key under heavy pressure and defense).

I was only talking about ball-handling drills before and assumed that's what he meant. But I think he may have been asking more for what I consider dribble-drive moves. There's a completely different mentality when training these two different styles of dribbling.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: LanceSTS on August 01, 2011, 11:12:03 pm
This is an article that talks about if stationary ball handling drills are waste of time.
http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/does-stationary-ball-handling-waste-valuable-practice-time/

nice article, sums it up well.
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: LanceSTS on August 01, 2011, 11:12:45 pm
Lessson:  stationary drills help and should be used, BUT make movement drills the primary focus. 

^ exactly
Title: Re: Ball-Handling Programs
Post by: Jard on August 02, 2011, 05:01:55 am
I guess I didn't mention this before so my philosophy isn't really clear.

There is a difference in what I consider ball-handling drills and what you guys probably consider ball-handling drills.

I'm going to guess most people lump and kind of dribbling practice into ball-handling drills.

But what I was talking about and what I teach my kids are that ball-handling drills are (stationary, and 2-3 step drills w/ the ball), then I teach my kids that dribble-drive moves are (used on the go, or to break down a man 1-on-1 or in the open court or in the key under heavy pressure and defense).

I was only talking about ball-handling drills before and assumed that's what he meant. But I think he may have been asking more for what I consider dribble-drive moves. There's a completely different mentality when training these two different styles of dribbling.

Exactly.

The drills I perform stationairy are usually moves and include footwork or a specific task (pounding hard, getting the crossover tighter, getting shoulders to move, keeping back straight, landing on the balls of the foot, stepping forward not sideways etc).
I have noticed a huge difference when applying these myself because I can really focus on a couple of these aspects before performing the moves, on the move. In my experience, not doing these drills stationairy first, will make for a less effective on-the-move drill, plus you get a lot of reps in short ammount of time doing them stationairy.
This is ofcourse, only when trying to learn of perfect a move you have not mastered yet.

Not sure if they fit the mold of strict stationairy drills though as the player does move back/forth (pivot stays though), def don't advice figure 8's etc.