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i learned a new move in bball
« on: December 11, 2011, 11:15:58 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKLYBfgLN8A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKLYBfgLN8A</a>

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 03:55:13 am »
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Deng made contact with the ball ^^^ despite that pop-up saying he didn't.

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 11:46:57 pm »
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Deng made contact with the ball ^^^ despite that pop-up saying he didn't.

wait, making contact with the ball gives him dribble back?

Deng knocked the ball out of his hands by hitting his arm. LeBron never dribbled before that so he still had his dribble.

And yes, he traveled after he made his move but that's just how it goes in the NBA.
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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2011, 12:32:56 am »
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Deng made contact with the ball ^^^ despite that pop-up saying he didn't.

wait, making contact with the ball gives him dribble back?

Deng knocked the ball out of his hands by hitting his arm. LeBron never dribbled before that so he still had his dribble.

And yes, he traveled after he made his move but that's just how it goes in the NBA.

I see, it looked like deng reached, and then he dribbled.  I got called for a travel other day for doing the euro step just like this one:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YcNY-dUSI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YcNY-dUSI</a>

Now, if we are going to call the euro step a travel, then we must reform the entire way a 2 step lay up is made, because then something like this would also be a travel:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfYXUY7bVPg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfYXUY7bVPg</a>

at 2:05

and there would be mass confusion in the basketball world.

In any league that is not the NBA, that euro-step that Wade did would be a travel. If you want a good example of a solid and legal euro step, watch the man who brought it over. Manu Ginobili.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfP4IWkRI6o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfP4IWkRI6o</a>

or watch some of his youtube mixes and watch for his change of direction steps (euro steps) when he drives. They're uncannily effective.
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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 03:15:13 am »
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Why would the eurostep be a travel (the one that Wade performed)? I mean wtf? He took two steps and layed it in?

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 03:53:14 am »
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-It is not called the 'euro' step , it is the '3d' step. It is one-two-three , not one-two-euro.
-When the rules allow 2 steps and you take 3 , it is violation. 3 is bigger than 2.
-When the rules allow 3 steps and you take 3 , it is ok.

About NBA and traveling:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/9963/traveling-violation-nba-on-rule-change

The section of the NBA rulebook dealing with traveling used to allow players to "use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop." It was reworded this season to say players "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball."
Missing is the definition of that "two-count rhythm." From the old rule, which has governed every NBA game before this autumn:
The first count occurs: (1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
The second count, the rules then make clear, is a player's next step. Therefore, the two counts would be exhausted after the running player has taken just one step. The new rule, meanwhile, allows two -- a crucial difference.
As reported in March, the NBA has long ignored the rule while instructing referees to allow two steps, so it is believable that the way the game is called will not change. But the rule certainly has. The new video rulebook says, for instance, that "a dribbler may take two steps after gathering the ball to end a dribble."
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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 06:37:41 am »
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WTF are you talking about vag? Wade dribbled the ball, received the ball while on his left leg, took right - left and finished with a layup. Right+left = 2 steps.

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2011, 07:21:21 am »
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WTF are you talking about vag? Wade dribbled the ball, received the ball while on his left leg, took right - left and finished with a layup. Right+left = 2 steps.

My comment was not about any video posted in here,  it was about that 'Euro-step' term and this ever-lasting debate about traveling that gets in my nerves!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling_%28basketball%29

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Traveling in the modern game
In today's game it is important to note that very few refs at the college and high school level actually enforce the traveling rule. Many have come to believe a player gets "two and a half" steps after picking up the ball. This is not true. As clearly stated in the rules, once a foot comes down in possession of the ball, it becomes the pivot foot. Furthermore, once it is lifted the player must shoot or pass or when the foot returns to the floor it is a travel. This clearly gives the player at the absolutely most "one and a half" steps. Again, this will rarely be called in the high school or college game.

OMG , after the 'euro' step now there is a 'half' step.

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2011, 06:49:41 pm »
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Why would the eurostep be a travel (the one that Wade performed)? I mean wtf? He took two steps and layed it in?

Watch closely from the baseline view. On his last crossover he steps quickly with his left after he catches the ball and then gathers during the next right left steps. There is a difference here between catching the ball and gathering the ball. He catches it with one hand and then completes his quick left step then gathers while stepping right and then left to shoot the layup.


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And Vag, I call it the "euro-step" because that's what I've always called it. Never once in my plenty of years of watching NBA basketball have I once heard it called the 3d step. And despite being quite active in every level of basketball via watching, coaching and playing; not once have I ever heard it referred to as the 3d step. Sorry.
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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2011, 07:54:15 pm »
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Whatever man, you're too nitpicky. Unless it's a blatand travel (like REALLY taking three steps with the ball in your hand) I say that's not a travel.

And the fact that you eurostep or not is irrelevant as long as you take only 2 steps.

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 05:16:36 pm »
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Whatever man, you're too nitpicky. Unless it's a blatand travel (like REALLY taking three steps with the ball in your hand) I say that's not a travel.

And the fact that you eurostep or not is irrelevant as long as you take only 2 steps.

Haha, you crack me up dude. Didn't know there was supposed to be gray areas in rule interpretation.

Yes, I know the NBA is not strict and bends it's rules for entertainment purposes during the flow of the game but fact is it was a travel.

And not even sure what you're trying to say in the 2nd sentence. Sorry.

Ginobili did the same thing Wade did.  The 1st step with his left foot wade has yet to gather the ball, and thus it doesn't count as a step.  This doesnt get called about 80% of the time at almost all levels of play.  This goes back to the total inconsistency of refs at all levels of play.

I agree on the bold part completely.
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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 02:30:29 am »
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The fact that you do the eurostep which is a step in a direction and another step in the opposite direction is irrelevant - they are still two steps.

As far as gray areas of ruling - they could call travels on each pivot change the players do, and they do a ton of them.

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 05:56:45 pm »
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Haha now THAT's a huge travel.

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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2011, 12:41:02 am »
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The fact that you do the eurostep which is a step in a direction and another step in the opposite direction is irrelevant - they are still two steps.

As far as gray areas of ruling - they could call travels on each pivot change the players do, and they do a ton of them.

Who was arguing either of those two points?

I agree with both. I was unaware I said otherwise.
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Re: i learned a new move in bball
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 12:44:35 am »
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also, why do coaches teach that this move at 4:30 is NOT a travel?



That step through is a tough call. Not sure why it isn't called a travel more often and I see a lot of camps/coaches teaching it. My thought process on that move is that if you do the step you must jump off both feet at the same time to be within legal execution otherwise if you pick up your back/pivot foot first then it's a travel.

So I agree, definitely a travel with that video.
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