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Title: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 04, 2011, 04:59:09 pm
Best scorer in the world right now, hands down.

Dropping 66 @ Rucker park a couple days ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SWfJe9dLG8

Skip to 2:55 for an un-edited massacre, dude is an absolute monstrosity.

Bonus:
One day later, dropping 41 and hitting the game-winning three, wack D tho.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrlS8PbcEg


Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 04, 2011, 05:33:48 pm
Still, Kobe dropped 81 in an NBA game against NBA level defenders, coaches, strategies and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Clarence on August 04, 2011, 05:45:29 pm
Still, Kobe dropped 81 in an NBA game against NBA level defenders, coaches, strategies and so on and so forth.

Kobe's 81 was impressive, but who we kidding that was against the Raptor's...and they weren't nba level defenders.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 04, 2011, 06:29:47 pm
They play in the NBA. End of story.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 04, 2011, 06:38:35 pm
True, Kobe's 81 points is far more impressive than any summergame performance I could possibly think of.
Defense wasn't that bad either (even though they should've doubled before dude hit 50 smh) re-watch the game.

However, I wasn't getting at the 81/total performance.
Durant was just dropping straight Bombs, see where he shot that last one from?
That's a PULLUP over a semi-double team, two steps over mid-court, I've never seen anyone hit 5 straight from that distance in any game, as impressive as a zone as I've ever seen

Closest thing I could think of is Prince in college (start = 1 minute mark):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_8z9Zizek

Or maybe Lebron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyd4NPvzKQg
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on August 04, 2011, 06:52:50 pm
KD = my favorite NBA player.

That being said, I've always loved this YT clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfurCV1FDpM
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 04, 2011, 06:55:41 pm
hah, was just editing my previous post with T-mac, strange I forgot about that one.
Actually bought his jersey back in the day just because of those couple of seconds.

Sweet post.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: clintzyc24 on August 04, 2011, 10:16:16 pm
Lol Kobe dropped 81 against "Raptor"s.
Still, Kobe dropped 81 in an NBA game against NBA level defenders, coaches, strategies and so on and so forth.

Kobe's 81 was impressive, but who we kidding that was against the Raptor's...and they weren't nba level defenders.
Cmon dude it's "Raptor"s you're talking about.
They play in the NBA. End of story.
No wonder he is pissed
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 05, 2011, 04:40:16 am
Yeah but it's a matter of confidence/swagger as well. Playing in an inferior league gives an NBA player added swagger/confidence.

A friend of mine played 1 on 1 with a guy from Romania's first division at a streetball tournament for exhibition purposes. And I tell you what - that guy (not my friend, the 1st division player) was shooting closer to half court or so and making everything. And my friend actually played decent defense on him. But he shot the lights out, making basket after basket, we were amazed.

The same guy could barely get 5 minutes per game, if any, in our WEAK AS SHIT 1st Division. So, it's all a matter of swagger/confidence.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 05, 2011, 07:45:04 am
Durant is great but he is not the best scorer in the world.  Sorry.  Carmelo is better, and Kobe probably even at this age might still be better.  Also, I love Durant and this 66 is impressive, but seriously anyone diminishing Kobe's 81 because it was against the Raptor's is delusional.  The Raptor's sucked, but the worst NBA team would make the best Rucker Park team look like little kids.  Add to the fact it is more competitive than a streetball game, so the defense was not only better, but trying harder.

Durant's pull up 3's are amazing though.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Clarence on August 05, 2011, 08:38:02 am
Raptors are my fav team (even though they insist on torturing me every year).  But honestly that was historically bad defense.  Their starting frontcourt was Matt Bonner and Chris Bosh - ouch.  They didn't double Kobe all game... you'd think when 1 player is completely torching you at some point you'd say 'hmm, maybe we should double him and make someone else beat us'...but nope not my raptors.

...and FWIW, I wasn't comparing Durants 66 to Kobe's 81.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 05, 2011, 09:05:43 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78TDlsb3dTk
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 05, 2011, 06:00:49 pm

...and FWIW, I wasn't comparing Durants 66 to Kobe's 81.

^^ this.


PERSONAL OPINION ALERT!

Between Kobe and Durant right now I'd def go with Durant as a pure scorer.
I'm a huge Kobe fan, but I don't like his transition to the post as much and but he's just not as good off the ball in my opinion.
Same with Melo, even though his post game is clearly better. As pure scorers, I'd say they're about even, but since Durant's game does not require holding the ball for about 4-5 seconds before jacking up a (good) shot, I'd still rather take him over Anthony.
Durant's ability to get to the FT line is also unmatched by anyone in the league imo.
Also, dude is like SEVEN FEET TALL WTF

After this post season, you could also make a good case for Dirk, as his %s were incredible, but he's not as good on the break. Other than that I'd say they're about the same level scoring wise as well, even though they're very different players.

Wade shouldn't be forgotten either.

My Top 5 scorers in the league right now, let's see yours
1. Kevin Durant
2. Carmello Anthony
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Wade
5. Lebron/Kobe

I am not talking complete players here though; defensively, rebounding and playmaking wise, Dirk and Durant are nowhere near Lebron or Kobe imo. Just talking about the pure ability to consistently put the ball into the hoop at an effective rate.

Let's see your opinion brah, interested.



Ontopic, sweet post Raptor, was over the course of an entire game though.
If we're talking a longer duration of zones;

Personal favourite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rto2_oYVs0I

Second half is just unreal, just look at the ATL bench from the three minute mark and on.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: k6mi on August 05, 2011, 06:03:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY6DIwzLj_8

he went 9/9 then missed 5 straight if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: k6mi on August 05, 2011, 06:06:38 pm

...and FWIW, I wasn't comparing Durants 66 to Kobe's 81.

^^ this.


PERSONAL OPINION ALERT!

Between Kobe and Durant right now I'd def go with Durant as a pure scorer.
I'm a huge Kobe fan, but I don't like his transition to the post as much and but he's just not as good off the ball in my opinion.
Same with Melo, even though his post game is clearly better. As pure scorers, I'd say they're about even, but since Durant's game does not require holding the ball for about 4-5 seconds before jacking up a (good) shot, I'd still rather take him over Anthony.
Durant's ability to get to the FT line is also unmatched by anyone in the league imo.
Also, dude is like SEVEN FEET TALL WTF

After this post season, you could also make a good case for Dirk, as his %s were incredible, but he's not as good on the break. Other than that I'd say they're about the same level scoring wise as well, even though they're very different players.

Wade shouldn't be forgotten either.

My Top 5 scorers in the league right now, let's see yours
1. Kevin Durant
2. Carmello Anthony
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Wade
5. Lebron/Kobe

I am not talking complete players here though; defensively, rebounding and playmaking wise, Dirk and Durant are nowhere near Lebron or Kobe imo. Just talking about the pure ability to consistently put the ball into the hoop at an effective rate.

Let's see your opinion brah, interested.



Ontopic, sweet post Raptor, was over the course of an entire game though.
If we're talking a longer duration of zones;

Personal favourite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rto2_oYVs0I

Second half is just unreal, just look at the ATL bench from the three minute mark and on.

wade over kobe at scoring  :uhhhfacepalm:
 2011 playoffs vs memphis /mavs :huh:
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 05, 2011, 07:15:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-pniMuyZps
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 06:29:59 am

wade over kobe at scoring  :uhhhfacepalm:
 2011 playoffs vs memphis /mavs :huh:


Yup, why not? Wade drives the lane as well as anyone I've ever seen and finishes with the best of them, midrange goes to Kobe tho, but after seeing him chucking and missing fadeaways over frikkin Jason Kidd 38 year ole ass and settling for pullup threes way too much, I'm going to give Wade the edge.
I might be slightly influenced by being such a Kobe fan tho, I've watched so many of his games and even though he's still one of the best scorers in the game @ 15 years in the league, I hate seeing him detoriate in front of my eyes like this.

Oh and @ 81 point-game haters, that kind of defense is actually one they use all the time on superstars. They want to make sure the superstar takes all the shots, which 99% of the time takes their teammates out of the game.
Defense suffers, teammates hesitate or become overagressive on offense, chemistry drops.
"You can't win a game all by yourself", right? Superstars are bound to get tired and lose focus at some point, that's when you take advantage. Dude just never let up though, extremely relentless and impressive.

That 2011 playoffs comment was directed @ Durant?
Dude was the playoff's leading scorer with 29 @ .45% whututalkinboutbro?
Carmello was at 38%, Kobe was at 23 pts.
Only two dudes that were close statistically were Dirk and Wade.
Care to explain?

Remember that game like it was yesterday @ Raptor, better video of the Kobe 12 three pt game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3nw6eodrE

Jamal Crawford going OFF BAYBAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSye6JIZmQ

Hitting your first 16 shots, including 8 threes? Pretty slick.

Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 06:34:54 am
TODAY's TOP 5 PURE SCORERS:

1) Carmelo Anthony
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dwyane Wade/Amare Stoudemire
5) Kevin Durant/Lebron James
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 07:07:10 am
TODAY's TOP 5 PURE SCORERS:

1) Carmelo Anthony
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dwyane Wade/Amare Stoudemire
5) Kevin Durant/Lebron James


(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z192/Def_Fit/d77265a1f1181dea222d7df81fea2db54d1.gif)

You do realise you're putting the league's leading scorer (2009-2010 + 2010-2011) @ 5, do you?
Explanain yourself youngin'.

Also.

Greatest 1st half ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaL9OhZQoc
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: k6mi on August 06, 2011, 07:12:28 am

wade over kobe at scoring  :uhhhfacepalm:
 2011 playoffs vs memphis /mavs :huh:


Yup, why not? Wade drives the lane as well as anyone I've ever seen and finishes with the best of them, midrange goes to Kobe tho, but after seeing him chucking and missing fadeaways over frikkin Jason Kidd 38 year ole ass and settling for pullup threes way too much, I'm going to give Wade the edge.
I might be slightly influenced by being such a Kobe fan tho, I've watched so many of his games and even though he's still one of the best scorers in the game @ 15 years in the league, I hate seeing him detoriate in front of my eyes like this.

Oh and @ 81 point-game haters, that kind of defense is actually one they use all the time on superstars. They want to make sure the superstar takes all the shots, which 99% of the time takes their teammates out of the game.
Defense suffers, teammates hesitate or become overagressive on offense, chemistry drops.
"You can't win a game all by yourself", right? Superstars are bound to get tired and lose focus at some point, that's when you take advantage. Dude just never let up though, extremely relentless and impressive.

That 2011 playoffs comment was directed @ Durant?
Dude was the playoff's leading scorer with 29 @ .45% whututalkinboutbro?

Carmello was at 38%, Kobe was at 23 pts.
Only two dudes that were close statistically were Dirk and Wade.
Care to explain?

Remember that game like it was yesterday @ Raptor, better video of the Kobe 12 three pt game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3nw6eodrE

Jamal Crawford going OFF BAYBAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSye6JIZmQ

Hitting your first 16 shots, including 8 threes? Pretty slick.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirGGqNM_Ek
he did the same against memphis , but he didnt get blocked he shot all backboard.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 08:35:28 am
TODAY's TOP 5 PURE SCORERS:

1) Carmelo Anthony
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dwyane Wade/Amare Stoudemire
5) Kevin Durant/Lebron James


(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z192/Def_Fit/d77265a1f1181dea222d7df81fea2db54d1.gif)

You do realise you're putting the league's leading scorer (2009-2010 + 2010-2011) @ 5, do you?
Explanain yourself youngin'.

Also.

Greatest 1st half ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaL9OhZQoc


LOL.  I'll explain my opinion.  Kevin Durant is a GREAT, and I repeat GREAT shooter.  I don't believe scoring champion = greatest scorer.  KD's ball handling is not good enough for him to consistently create for himself.  A lot of his shots come off picks and catch and shoots.  Maybe I'll value him more, if he was shooting like 50% FG, because 50% playing the way he does, you can argue he's scoring to be efficient.  Also, did you watch the Thunder in the playoffs?  People were hating on Westbrook for jacking up shots, but he HAS to.  No one else can create on the team that well, except James Harden.  Whenever KD got the ball, he literally just jacked up a 3 from wherever he was.  He also struggles with physical defense.  He lacks a post game in the NBA. 

Melo on the other hand, thrives against physical defense.  Has arguably the best post game for a perimeter player.  Has an UNSTOPPABLE mid range game.  He catches the ball, triple threat 20 feet out, just send the double team already.  He has better handles, and can crossover and create for himself much easier.  His 3 pt shot, while not as good as KD, is still pretty good.  He finishes with the best of them at the basket too.  He literally is GOOD at EVERY aspect of scoring.

KD on the other hand, is NOT GOOD at creating for himself, against physical defense, ball handling, post game.  I feel that, without a good PG and unselfish teammates who can set good picks for him, he won't be as dangerous, although still quite dangerous because I do see him as a top 10 NBA player.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 09:22:34 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirGGqNM_Ek
he did the same against memphis , but he didnt get blocked he shot all backboard.

Those two situations against a (post-)season full of stats? Seriously?



LOL.  I'll explain my opinion.  Kevin Durant is a GREAT, and I repeat GREAT shooter.  I don't believe scoring champion = greatest scorer.  KD's ball handling is not good enough for him to consistently create for himself.  A lot of his shots come off picks and catch and shoots.  Maybe I'll value him more, if he was shooting like 50% FG, because 50% playing the way he does, you can argue he's scoring to be efficient.  Also, did you watch the Thunder in the playoffs?  People were hating on Westbrook for jacking up shots, but he HAS to.  No one else can create on the team that well, except James Harden.  Whenever KD got the ball, he literally just jacked up a 3 from wherever he was.  He also struggles with physical defense.  He lacks a post game in the NBA.  

Melo on the other hand, thrives against physical defense.  Has arguably the best post game for a perimeter player.  Has an UNSTOPPABLE mid range game.  He catches the ball, triple threat 20 feet out, just send the double team already.  He has better handles, and can crossover and create for himself much easier.  His 3 pt shot, while not as good as KD, is still pretty good.  He finishes with the best of them at the basket too.  He literally is GOOD at EVERY aspect of scoring.

KD on the other hand, is NOT GOOD at creating for himself, against physical defense, ball handling, post game.  I feel that, without a good PG and unselfish teammates who can set good picks for him, he won't be as dangerous, although still quite dangerous because I do see him as a top 10 NBA player.

I see your point, but I have to disagree.

You're saying KD needs a pg? He's got arguably the most scoring minded PG in the NBA and is still putting up 30 a night.
Let's look at dude's playoff performances this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NQOtMDwhQ
I counted one three of a semi-drive and an tough floater off a feed. That's it, on 42 points.
All of his other points came from 1-1 situations, creating off the dribble/in the post or working against double teams.
It's a single game, I know, but there's this misconception that Durant just jacks up shots, he creates a lot of quality looks all by himself. What's more impressive, is he does not have an inside scoring presence on his team, all attention goes to the backcourt.
There's no Stoudamire and no high octane fastbreak D'Antoni-type offense for instance.

However, I'll have to agree he gets more looks from others creating for him, just 'cause he's so adapt at a catch n shoot type of game. Dude also has quite a lot of turnovers, so yes, I agree he's not as adapt as creating off the dribble as say Anthony.
However, in my opinion, dude is much better at creating an oppertunity to score off the ball, uses screens very well and is a constant threat, while Anthony is more of a spectator at times.
I feel that you're underating that aspect of scoring . Scoring =/= best 1 on 1 player. I agree Anthony is a better 1-1 player, but I do feel Durant is the better scorer.

So as I already mentioned it's kind of a toss up between Anthony and Durant right now, the stats point towards Durant* and I feel a scorer that doesn't need the ball in it's hands all the time is a more effective one, that's why I give Durant the edge.

*


   GP    MPG    PTS    FGM-FGA    FG%    3PM-3PA    3P%    FTM-FTA    FT%
1    
Kevin Durant , OKC
   17    42.5    28.6    9.1-20.3    .449    2.2-6.4    .339    8.2-9.8    .838
5    
Carmelo Anthony , NYK
   4    38.9    26.0    8.2-22.0    .375    2.2-6.5    .346    7.2-8.5    .853

Also
- Dude is the league leader in free-throw attempts. Jacking up threes much? Meh.
- Dude is the most consistent scorer in the game today;
http://nba-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/27030243
- Dude was the leading scorer on the NBA squad by far that won gold in Turkey, has to count for something.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: k6mi on August 06, 2011, 09:29:34 am
TODAY's TOP 5 PURE SCORERS:

1) Carmelo Anthony
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dwyane Wade/Amare Stoudemire
5) Kevin Durant/Lebron James


(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z192/Def_Fit/d77265a1f1181dea222d7df81fea2db54d1.gif)

You do realise you're putting the league's leading scorer (2009-2010 + 2010-2011) @ 5, do you?
Explanain yourself youngin'.

Also.

Greatest 1st half ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaL9OhZQoc


LOL.  I'll explain my opinion.  Kevin Durant is a GREAT, and I repeat GREAT shooter.  I don't believe scoring champion = greatest scorer.  KD's ball handling is not good enough for him to consistently create for himself.  A lot of his shots come off picks and catch and shoots.  Maybe I'll value him more, if he was shooting like 50% FG, because 50% playing the way he does, you can argue he's scoring to be efficient.  Also, did you watch the Thunder in the playoffs?  People were hating on Westbrook for jacking up shots, but he HAS to.  No one else can create on the team that well, except James Harden.  Whenever KD got the ball, he literally just jacked up a 3 from wherever he was.  He also struggles with physical defense.  He lacks a post game in the NBA. 

Melo on the other hand, thrives against physical defense.  Has arguably the best post game for a perimeter player.  Has an UNSTOPPABLE mid range game.  He catches the ball, triple threat 20 feet out, just send the double team already.  He has better handles, and can crossover and create for himself much easier.  His 3 pt shot, while not as good as KD, is still pretty good.  He finishes with the best of them at the basket too.  He literally is GOOD at EVERY aspect of scoring.

KD on the other hand, is NOT GOOD at creating for himself, against physical defense, ball handling, post game.  I feel that, without a good PG and unselfish teammates who can set good picks for him, he won't be as dangerous, although still quite dangerous because I do see him as a top 10 NBA player.
:uhhhfacepalm:
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 09:39:24 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirGGqNM_Ek
he did the same against memphis , but he didnt get blocked he shot all backboard.

Those two situations against a (post-)season full of stats? Seriously?



LOL.  I'll explain my opinion.  Kevin Durant is a GREAT, and I repeat GREAT shooter.  I don't believe scoring champion = greatest scorer.  KD's ball handling is not good enough for him to consistently create for himself.  A lot of his shots come off picks and catch and shoots.  Maybe I'll value him more, if he was shooting like 50% FG, because 50% playing the way he does, you can argue he's scoring to be efficient.  Also, did you watch the Thunder in the playoffs?  People were hating on Westbrook for jacking up shots, but he HAS to.  No one else can create on the team that well, except James Harden.  Whenever KD got the ball, he literally just jacked up a 3 from wherever he was.  He also struggles with physical defense.  He lacks a post game in the NBA.  

Melo on the other hand, thrives against physical defense.  Has arguably the best post game for a perimeter player.  Has an UNSTOPPABLE mid range game.  He catches the ball, triple threat 20 feet out, just send the double team already.  He has better handles, and can crossover and create for himself much easier.  His 3 pt shot, while not as good as KD, is still pretty good.  He finishes with the best of them at the basket too.  He literally is GOOD at EVERY aspect of scoring.

KD on the other hand, is NOT GOOD at creating for himself, against physical defense, ball handling, post game.  I feel that, without a good PG and unselfish teammates who can set good picks for him, he won't be as dangerous, although still quite dangerous because I do see him as a top 10 NBA player.

I see your point, but I have to disagree.

You're saying KD needs a pg? He's got arguably the most scoring minded PG in the NBA and is still putting up 30 a night.
Let's look at dude's playoff performances this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NQOtMDwhQ
I counted one three of a semi-drive and an tough floater off a feed. That's it, on 42 points.
All of his other points came from 1-1 situations, creating off the dribble/in the post or working against double teams.
It's a single game, I know, but there's this misconception that Durant just jacks up shots, he creates a lot of quality looks all by himself. What's more impressive, is he does not have an inside scoring presence on his team, all attention goes to the backcourt.
There's no Stoudamire and no high octane fastbreak D'Antoni-type offense for instance.

However, I'll have to agree he gets more looks from others creating for him, just 'cause he's so adapt at a catch n shoot type of game. Dude also has quite a lot of turnovers, so yes, I agree he's not as adapt as creating off the dribble as say Anthony.
However, in my opinion, dude is much better at creating an oppertunity to score off the ball, uses screens very well and is a constant threat, while Anthony is more of a spectator at times.
I feel that you're underating that aspect of scoring . Scoring =/= best 1 on 1 player. I agree Anthony is a better 1-1 player, but I do feel Durant is the better scorer.

So as I already mentioned it's kind of a toss up between Anthony and Durant right now, the stats point towards Durant* and I feel a scorer that doesn't need the ball in it's hands all the time is a more effective one, that's why I give Durant the edge.

*


   GP    MPG    PTS    FGM-FGA    FG%    3PM-3PA    3P%    FTM-FTA    FT%
1    
Kevin Durant , OKC
   17    42.5    28.6    9.1-20.3    .449    2.2-6.4    .339    8.2-9.8    .838
5    
Carmelo Anthony , NYK
   4    38.9    26.0    8.2-22.0    .375    2.2-6.5    .346    7.2-8.5    .853

Also
- Dude is the league leader in free-throw attempts. Jacking up threes much? Meh.
- Dude is the most consistent scorer in the game today;
http://nba-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/27030243
- Dude was the leading scorer on the NBA squad by far that won gold in Turkey, has to count for something.

Durant is better at offense off the ball, but Melo is no slouch neither.  

The thing about your argument about KD getting 30 a night with a scoring PG is flawed.  Yes, Westbrook takes a lot of shots, but he also gets 8+ assists.  But the point is, why can't KD get 30 with Westbrook also getting 25-30, when the 3 other starters are freakin Perkins/Ibaka/Sefolosha LOLL.  Honestly, I cringe at that starting lineup offensively.  Sefolosha is limited to only defense, same with Perkins, and Ibaka has some scoring ability, but he's still not reliable.

I like your argument about KD not having an inside presence, and that is true.  I don't like the argument of KD being leading scorer of team USA though.  He was appointed superstar of the team before it even started and they didn't get anyone in the league on his level that year.  If he was on the 08 Redeem team, it would have been different, which of course you'll agree to as well.

I might have exaggerated KD's tendency to jack up 3's, but I'm saying I have seen him one too many times in pressure moments, when he is confused, without a go-to move except his infamous pull up 3 from wherever on the floor he is, even if it's 5 feet behind the arc.  

I'll take Carmelo in the clutch over anyone btw.  Stats prove it.  He proves it night in night out.  He is a killer in the clutch.  KD in the clutch = "oh shit what do I do, I'll just jack it up right now"  Melo in the clutch = "Too easy, I can take it to the hole, pull up, whatever I want"

@K6MI, I don't see what's to facepalm with my argument.  Can you name me 2-3 perimeter players that's better than Melo in the post?  I said arguable, not definitely.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 10:38:47 am


Durant is better at offense off the ball, but Melo is no slouch neither.  


Apparently, neither is Durant off the dribble.

The thing about your argument about KD getting 30 a night with a scoring PG is flawed.  Yes, Westbrook takes a lot of shots, but he also gets 8+ assists.  But the point is, why can't KD get 30 with Westbrook also getting 25-30, when the 3 other starters are freakin Perkins/Ibaka/Sefolosha LOLL.  Honestly, I cringe at that starting lineup offensively.  Sefolosha is limited to only defense, same with Perkins, and Ibaka has some scoring ability, but he's still not reliable.

True, but this works both ways, it's pretty clear Perkins/Ibaka/Sefolosha won't create any shot for Durant (other then setting great picks, ie. Perkins), so the argument about Durant not being able to create his own shot is flawed as well.
And well, talking about Westbrook, it's cause and effect really. I'm not a huge Westbrook fan, his decision making is questionable at most and his passing is not that impressive at all. The question is, is KD being good off the ball, or Westbrook creating great shots for KD? We can't really tell, but from watching the games I asume the first option is more suitable.

I like your argument about KD not having an inside presence, and that is true.  I don't like the argument of KD being leading scorer of team USA though.  He was appointed superstar of the team before it even started and they didn't get anyone in the league on his level that year.  If he was on the 08 Redeem team, it would have been different, which of course you'll agree to as well.
True, I say Anthony get's at least as many if not more good looks because of Billups and Stoudamire as Durant does off of Westbrook and Harden.
USA team argument was weak, I agree, dude did put on a show out there though.

I might have exaggerated KD's tendency to jack up 3's, but I'm saying I have seen him one too many times in pressure moments, when he is confused, without a go-to move except his infamous pull up 3 from wherever on the floor he is, even if it's 5 feet behind the arc.  

I'll take Carmelo in the clutch over anyone btw.  Stats prove it.  He proves it night in night out.  He is a killer in the clutch.  KD in the clutch = "oh shit what do I do, I'll just jack it up right now"  Melo in the clutch = "Too easy, I can take it to the hole, pull up, whatever I want"

So would I, Anthony is one of the most impressive clutch performers I've ever seen.
And while Durant isn't nearly as impressive in that aspect, you're definately exaggerating KD's lack of clutchness, dude get's to the line in pressure situations often and comes through. Hate those pullup threes as well.

Again, it's close, 1-1 I'd take Anthony any day, but if I needed a pure scorer on my team out of anyone in the world and had to choose the most effective and consistant one I'd definately pick Durant. That's why I say he's the best scorer in basketball today.

Doesn't make me a fan by any means, hate watching 7 footers doing a shorter guys job like myself.
Dude's talent is out of this world though.

Anyways, I don't even care for NBA players this much hah, back to the topic at hand.
Ray Allen zonin' out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkd-gPyeub8
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 06, 2011, 11:28:29 am
Give me a ~2005 Vince any day of the week.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 12:05:35 pm
Give me a ~2005 Vince any day of the week.

His cousin was better
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 06, 2011, 03:00:41 pm
Give me a ~2005 Vince any day of the week.

His cousin was better

Well yeah, maybe, but I've followed Vince all his career (seen over 400 of his games) so I'm going to stick with him.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: k6mi on August 06, 2011, 03:28:46 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirGGqNM_Ek
he did the same against memphis , but he didnt get blocked he shot all backboard.

Those two situations against a (post-)season full of stats? Seriously?



LOL.  I'll explain my opinion.  Kevin Durant is a GREAT, and I repeat GREAT shooter.  I don't believe scoring champion = greatest scorer.  KD's ball handling is not good enough for him to consistently create for himself.  A lot of his shots come off picks and catch and shoots.  Maybe I'll value him more, if he was shooting like 50% FG, because 50% playing the way he does, you can argue he's scoring to be efficient.  Also, did you watch the Thunder in the playoffs?  People were hating on Westbrook for jacking up shots, but he HAS to.  No one else can create on the team that well, except James Harden.  Whenever KD got the ball, he literally just jacked up a 3 from wherever he was.  He also struggles with physical defense.  He lacks a post game in the NBA.  

Melo on the other hand, thrives against physical defense.  Has arguably the best post game for a perimeter player.  Has an UNSTOPPABLE mid range game.  He catches the ball, triple threat 20 feet out, just send the double team already.  He has better handles, and can crossover and create for himself much easier.  His 3 pt shot, while not as good as KD, is still pretty good.  He finishes with the best of them at the basket too.  He literally is GOOD at EVERY aspect of scoring.

KD on the other hand, is NOT GOOD at creating for himself, against physical defense, ball handling, post game.  I feel that, without a good PG and unselfish teammates who can set good picks for him, he won't be as dangerous, although still quite dangerous because I do see him as a top 10 NBA player.

I see your point, but I have to disagree.

You're saying KD needs a pg? He's got arguably the most scoring minded PG in the NBA and is still putting up 30 a night.
Let's look at dude's playoff performances this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NQOtMDwhQ
I counted one three of a semi-drive and an tough floater off a feed. That's it, on 42 points.
All of his other points came from 1-1 situations, creating off the dribble/in the post or working against double teams.
It's a single game, I know, but there's this misconception that Durant just jacks up shots, he creates a lot of quality looks all by himself. What's more impressive, is he does not have an inside scoring presence on his team, all attention goes to the backcourt.
There's no Stoudamire and no high octane fastbreak D'Antoni-type offense for instance.

However, I'll have to agree he gets more looks from others creating for him, just 'cause he's so adapt at a catch n shoot type of game. Dude also has quite a lot of turnovers, so yes, I agree he's not as adapt as creating off the dribble as say Anthony.
However, in my opinion, dude is much better at creating an oppertunity to score off the ball, uses screens very well and is a constant threat, while Anthony is more of a spectator at times.
I feel that you're underating that aspect of scoring . Scoring =/= best 1 on 1 player. I agree Anthony is a better 1-1 player, but I do feel Durant is the better scorer.

So as I already mentioned it's kind of a toss up between Anthony and Durant right now, the stats point towards Durant* and I feel a scorer that doesn't need the ball in it's hands all the time is a more effective one, that's why I give Durant the edge.

*


   GP    MPG    PTS    FGM-FGA    FG%    3PM-3PA    3P%    FTM-FTA    FT%
1    
Kevin Durant , OKC
   17    42.5    28.6    9.1-20.3    .449    2.2-6.4    .339    8.2-9.8    .838
5    
Carmelo Anthony , NYK
   4    38.9    26.0    8.2-22.0    .375    2.2-6.5    .346    7.2-8.5    .853

Also
- Dude is the league leader in free-throw attempts. Jacking up threes much? Meh.
- Dude is the most consistent scorer in the game today;
http://nba-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/27030243
- Dude was the leading scorer on the NBA squad by far that won gold in Turkey, has to count for something.

Durant is better at offense off the ball, but Melo is no slouch neither.  

The thing about your argument about KD getting 30 a night with a scoring PG is flawed.  Yes, Westbrook takes a lot of shots, but he also gets 8+ assists.  But the point is, why can't KD get 30 with Westbrook also getting 25-30, when the 3 other starters are freakin Perkins/Ibaka/Sefolosha LOLL.  Honestly, I cringe at that starting lineup offensively.  Sefolosha is limited to only defense, same with Perkins, and Ibaka has some scoring ability, but he's still not reliable.

I like your argument about KD not having an inside presence, and that is true.  I don't like the argument of KD being leading scorer of team USA though.  He was appointed superstar of the team before it even started and they didn't get anyone in the league on his level that year.  If he was on the 08 Redeem team, it would have been different, which of course you'll agree to as well.

I might have exaggerated KD's tendency to jack up 3's, but I'm saying I have seen him one too many times in pressure moments, when he is confused, without a go-to move except his infamous pull up 3 from wherever on the floor he is, even if it's 5 feet behind the arc.  

I'll take Carmelo in the clutch over anyone btw.  Stats prove it.  He proves it night in night out.  He is a killer in the clutch.  KD in the clutch = "oh shit what do I do, I'll just jack it up right now"  Melo in the clutch = "Too easy, I can take it to the hole, pull up, whatever I want"

@K6MI, I don't see what's to facepalm with my argument.  Can you name me 2-3 perimeter players that's better than Melo in the post?  I said arguable, not definitely.
number 24?????
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 03:39:18 pm
@K6MI

I said arguably, if there's 1 better person, then it's still arguable.  Regardless, you think I forgot Kobe?
Melo has an easier time in the post than Kobe.  I said it.  Melo > Kobe in the post.  Kobe has a nice array of moves, resorting to fadeaways a lot, Melo has a nice array of moves as well.  He just does it in an easier fashion.  Many times, just bullying his way in like he's a center.  Charles Barkley (or Kenny Smith, I forgot) doesn't call him "the bully" for nothing
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 03:47:33 pm
Cosign^^

Also, @ raptor, at least convince us or something, love dudes dunks, never fell in love w. his game though. Like McGrady better in his prime as well.

Best Vince highlight tape you've never seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVnesIkqnW0&feature=player_embedded

Quote
The best Vince Carter highlight mix you’ve never seen.. The video, which lived for years only on VHS, was recently uploaded to YouTube for the first time, and we’ve got it for you in its entirety above. We’ll run the SLAM 104 Vince feature soon, but until then, enjoy this amazing mix of highlights, with some footage of what may be Mike Tyson’s craziest press conference ever and Bruce Smith passing out on live TV sprinkled in just because.

Ontopic.

Sleepy Floid, one of the most relentless quarters ever played, watch from about 6 minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5x0Ve4pUk

Was going to post Isiah's quarter first against the lakers first, but can't find a decent video as of yet.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 04:25:59 pm
@Jard, I've only heard of Sleepy Floyd once.  Never saw footage of him.  That quarter was amazing haha thanks for the video.

That relentless stretch in the 4th rivals T-Mac's 13 in 33, Lebron's 16 in 2 minutes, and Melo's 33 in a quarter.

Actually only T-Mac's 13 in 33 rivals it, considering the fact that, Sleepy did that in a comeback effort against the showtime lakers.  And T-Mac doing it in a comeback effort as well against the Tim Duncan Spurs
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 06, 2011, 05:26:07 pm
Trust me, Vince is so much more than what he's being advertised in the media. People are just ignorant and judge before seeing hundreds of his games like I did.

As for Melo, I hate that fat puertorican piece of shit.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: D4 on August 06, 2011, 05:41:14 pm
Trust me, Vince is so much more than what he's being advertised in the media. People are just ignorant and judge before seeing hundreds of his games like I did.

As for Melo, I hate that fat puertorican piece of shit.

whoa whoa whoa... Melo > Vince

LOLLLLL

Vince was great, one of the most exciting players of all time, and a beast offensively.  Him and Melo are great offense players, and average at best on defense.  When they try hard though, they can be decent defensively.  Maybe you can argue Vince is better because he was a better play maker for his teammates, but Melo's scoring ability is just insane/unstoppable.  

Btw: I don't judge NBA players off of what media says IF I have watched them play myself.  Now I haven't watched Vince play 100's of games like you, but Melo is Melo.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 06:28:22 pm
Melo's 33 deserves a mention, post it up bro!

Thomas' quarter I was talking about, dude checks in @ 1:25 after severely spraining his ankle and just finds a way to still dominate the game; pure determination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R71UqYPpUWU

Last couple of shots are INSANE.

Favourite player ever.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 06, 2011, 06:51:53 pm
Melo is a piece of fatass with a good J, and that's pretty much it. And Vince is tons more clutch than him (or used to be). Melo is still clutch though but I just hate him, so overrated. Take his shot away and he's shit.
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 06, 2011, 07:24:34 pm
Melo is a sick athlete that knows how to use his body extremely well, has an unstoppable J, amazing footwork, quickness, touch and toughness, that's pretty much it. Melo is still clutch, too. Take his shot away and he's still the shit.

fixed smh

Edit:
Has to posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzsAi1a1rog
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: adarqui on August 07, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
durant NASTY dunk at rucker

Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 09, 2011, 01:01:36 pm
Nasty Dunk vol. 2, long ass arms bruh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHIH0we4DDI

Also, definition of a zone, last three shots are Sick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rankc8FgUVk
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 16, 2011, 06:10:04 pm
KD 62 full game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubthtvu6aI
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 17, 2011, 03:47:29 pm
Nice post raptor, Durant got outplayed badly at the end though, that's 3 years ago though and it's still amazing how effortlessly he gets to the rim @ 7 foot.

My turn, one of my favourite performances ever, dude was absolutely zonin', never seen Stockton get his ass handed to him this bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-w3vbrj7KQ
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 17, 2011, 06:29:05 pm
Nice post raptor, Durant got outplayed badly at the end though, that's 3 years ago though and it's still amazing how effortlessly he gets to the rim @ 7 foot.

My turn, one of my favourite performances ever, dude was absolutely zonin', never seen Stockton get his ass handed to him this bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-w3vbrj7KQ

I liked when he didn't want to salute the USA antemn and flag. Guts!
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Jard on August 18, 2011, 12:43:17 pm
Guess so, dude has a ballsy game anyway, love those kind of guards.

Kobe makin' it look Easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUeOkokfIxg
Title: Re: Kevin Durant going apeshit@~!
Post by: Raptor on August 31, 2011, 04:52:23 am
KD scores 59 in battle with LeBron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haE__2e3kDo