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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #225 on: June 12, 2016, 02:33:09 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwZcbf9V1A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwZcbf9V1A</a>

any of you follow Irving?  i do not so i'm curious...  his shot selection during iso seems pretty poor to me.  in couple of the clips above he should've pass to the cutting team mate.  is he being selfish or is his court vision that poor?  has he improve over the years or remain the same?
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #226 on: June 12, 2016, 02:07:23 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwZcbf9V1A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwZcbf9V1A</a>

any of you follow Irving?  i do not so i'm curious...  his shot selection during iso seems pretty poor to me.  in couple of the clips above he should've pass to the cutting team mate.  is he being selfish or is his court vision that poor?  has he improve over the years or remain the same?

Interesting video... Great analysis but also like most analysis it's over analysis.  Overall really educating but I do laugh at two of clips where the narrator praises the Warriors for their efficient clockwork offense that leads to a curry falling down three which he makes and lambasts the Cavs offense for an 11 dribble isolation play that leads to a poor shot - an open Lebron three that he misses... Analysts forget sometimes that the most important part of the game is still making shots and all the analysis in the world can't explain away the fact that sometimes one team makes more than the other whether they were "bad" or "good" plays or shots...

Still the Warriors advantage may start w better shot making but it certainly doesn't end the video does a great job highlighting that as well as the failings of Kyrie Irving. 

As far as your questions about Kyrie.  He is an incredibly frustrating player.  I've actually been to his workouts and man he is really amazing... I've seen him work on his footwork plays and his foot ambidexterity is otherworldly.  He is about 5'11 and he can one dribble left foot right hand dunk on baseline, he can one dribble right foot take off w left hand dunk on baseline, his amazing ability to choose which foot to use makes him impossible to guard and always leaves a step for his array of euro-steps that come off both sides.   

However.... Despite to fact that he is the shiftiest one on one cover I have ever seen he also is not a point guard (terrible vision) and when he isn't hot will chuck up shots that are so ill advised.   I mean his on ball shiftiness is an 11 out of 10 which means you can't guard the man straight up.   You can take w steps back and he will still somehow find away around you....  But at some point... A defender takes enough steps back and you can't go around him... When this happens sometimes it's funny because help will show and the defender will back up giving Kyrie the shot... He won't take it!  He will dribble and crossover and few times and "create" a fall away jumper that he didn't have to create!  He is just such an extreme isolation off the dribble player - catch and shoot is not an option!

I actually think w him on your team to utilize him you gotta have the game run through a pick and roll with him... 

This is another thing about Lebron people don't realize.  I realize I am sounding like a Lebron apologist - but I don't really care... 

This big 3 is very different than the heat.   Wade and Bosh led their teams to the playoffs each year while Lebron was leading his team to the finals or ECF (and 1 or 2 seeds) most years before they all joined the heat...

Let's be honest about Love and Irving... Irving was essentially the best player on the worst team in the East and Love was the best player on the worst team in the West.

 Putting up big numbers for a great team is really hard because you have to be really efficient (see curry, Jordan, Lebron on heat)... I mean the Warriors wouldn't be 73-9 if Curry was averaging 38 pts a game on 42% shooting... That kind of inefficiency is gonna spell more than 9 losses. 

Putting up big numbers for a good but not great team is much easier.   You don't have to be as efficient as long as you have a high usage rate and the team can offset your inefficiency with defense.  Think of the 76ers in 2001 with AI.  The team made the finals and had a decent record and he scored a lot of points on somewhat inefficient shooting... This worked because they played great D and slowed the other team down massively at the expense of their own fast breaks and quick buckets - which made it harder for them to score points to the degree that AI shots were pretty good in context... This is kind of how I look at Kobe in 2008/2009 with the twin towers, good but not historically great teams that are lead by a player whose inefficiency is balanced by the fact that he doesn't get great shots...

Now the last rung is big numbers on a terrible team.  Love and Irving are both in this class... This is why in hindsight the Cavs should have kept Wiggins - because had the won with Love the media narrative is "3 superstars coming together" and Wiggins would have probably been better and kept the media down... 



 

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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #227 on: June 12, 2016, 07:36:31 pm »
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Green suspended for game 3. How much of a difference does that make?
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #228 on: June 12, 2016, 11:30:38 pm »
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Green suspended for game 3. How much of a difference does that make?

definitely gives CLE new life.. green is such a big part of GSW's success. I still think GSW ends it, but, this definitely makes it harder.

as for the suspension.. i'm so confused. where exactly is the groin hit retaliation?

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/12/draymond-green-suspension-lebron-james-stephen-curry-warriors-cavaliers-game-5

I don't see it..

If it's AFTER the Lebron step-over, I can't find it. The NBA actually let that situation get worse. I mean, these refs allowed Lebron/Green to confront each other face2face, while everyone else kept on playing.

horrible suspension, IMHO.

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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #229 on: June 13, 2016, 01:25:23 am »
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Green suspended for game 3. How much of a difference does that make?

definitely gives CLE new life.. green is such a big part of GSW's success. I still think GSW ends it, but, this definitely makes it harder.

as for the suspension.. i'm so confused. where exactly is the groin hit retaliation?

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/12/draymond-green-suspension-lebron-james-stephen-curry-warriors-cavaliers-game-5

I don't see it..

If it's AFTER the Lebron step-over, I can't find it. The NBA actually let that situation get worse. I mean, these refs allowed Lebron/Green to confront each other face2face, while everyone else kept on playing.

horrible suspension, IMHO.

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Agreed.  Horrible suspension.  Part of me likes it because it increases the chance of seeing more basketball games but seriously?

We all know some "computer assistance" like in NBA jam when your behind does probably take place cause referees are human...

But I would be way rather have seen Lebron get the benefit of the doubt on some calls he didn't totally deserve on his home court in game 4 to make the series more interesting than see DG get suspended...  I want to see a good series and I can accept Lebron getting a few unfair calls on his home floor to make things more interesting but it's not really worth it to see a prime player suspended from what is still probably a close out game...

Weirdly enough this makes me want the Cavs to win game 5 all the more although it makes me want the Warriors to win the series more.  DG should be on the court when they close it out.  It's only right.

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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #230 on: June 13, 2016, 01:27:36 am »
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^^^ also isn't the NBA clean enough by now?  I mean yeah the pacers fight and the Knicks fights of the late 90s needed to be stopped... But it's just like when they suspended the Suns for "leaving the bench"...  Nobody wants to see the top players not play!  There is a balance between the league being full of brutal fights and ruining itself by taking out the best players...

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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #231 on: June 13, 2016, 01:40:54 am »
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tbh.. i'd love to see GSW close it out without Draymond. The suspension makes me want them to win ever more ;) Lebron was instigating a ton of stuff at the end of that game (even ragdolling Curry), he was clearly frustrated. That "step over" is uncalled for IMHO, that's definitely not a "normal game move"; it's more of a hostile act. If Draymond was smart, since he loves attacking people's nuts, he would have gotten up real quick as Lebron was over him and speared his sack with his head.

So here's the nutshot:



It happened after Lebron walked over Green. I personally think that's much less blatant than the nutkick on Adams. I mean, he could have just been swinging to hit Lebron regardless of where it landed.. I guess that is flagrant material but, given the "walk over", I think that really should have been a whistle -> offensive foul on James. I mean James was basically preventing Green from getting off the floor. The refs inaction, by not making a call, led to that incident, the face off, the further jawing etc.

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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #232 on: June 13, 2016, 09:51:03 am »
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LeBron on Klay’s comments about having his feeling hurt: "I’ve taken the high road for 13 years and I’m gonna take it again."

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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #233 on: June 13, 2016, 09:46:46 pm »
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I have lost track of who is the villian and who is the underdog. It's switched so many times, i don't even think I care to pick a side any more lol. Who is watching game 5?
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #234 on: June 13, 2016, 10:10:34 pm »
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varejao is so useless. hate floppers.
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #235 on: June 13, 2016, 10:11:46 pm »
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I have lost track of who is the villian and who is the underdog. It's switched so many times, i don't even think I care to pick a side any more lol. Who is watching game 5?

Yeah I'm watching now. I'm the same as you. Absolutely loving Klay's first half here but still think I want CLE to win. Not so sure anymore.
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #236 on: June 13, 2016, 10:16:37 pm »
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KF what did he do, that charge?

Coges, yeah Klay is easily one of my fav players in the league. He just goes about his role without much fanfare. Doesn't fuck around, cold blooded killer. Reminds me of KD a bit in demeanour. Klay calling Lebron a bitch without saying it in those words was amazing.
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #237 on: June 13, 2016, 10:19:10 pm »
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varejao is so useless. hate floppers.

Refs need to stop calling anything with him involved. He'll get the message sooner or later.
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #238 on: June 13, 2016, 10:19:27 pm »
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varejao had 2 flops already and will flop the moment an opportunity presents itself. bs. take him out already.

klay for finals mvp.

kyrie is a beast today. love that guy. 
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Re: NBA Playoffs: 2015-2016
« Reply #239 on: June 13, 2016, 10:22:18 pm »
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Kyries shooting like 80% .. in a closeout finals .. he just can't miss .. guys incredible. I love this series .. both teams dont just dislike each other they hate each other. So competitive, it's awesome.
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