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Title: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 23, 2016, 12:22:32 am
Rose to Knicks:
http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16427840/new-york-knicks-acquire-derrick-rose-chicago-bulls



This has me excited. Can the Knicks become a force again? I'm hoping this change of scenery and the "big stage" can bring D Rose back to his best.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 23, 2016, 12:24:57 am
http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16426696/indiana-pacers-get-jeff-teague-3-team-trade-atlanta-hawks-utah-jazz

Teague to Indiana and Hill to Utah.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 23, 2016, 02:05:12 am
I like Schroeder at point for the hawks.. he's got serious potential as a season-long starter. Sucks about Teague's knee apparently..

also sucks for Rose.. to the graveyard with Melo :/ I picture Rose ending up like Marburry did when he went to the knicks.. Marburry was a beast in PHX, then fizzled hard in NY.. just hope he stays healthy for a while.. man was he fun to watch early on in his career.

i'm hoping King Riley can lure Durant over to MIA....... :) It would be smart for Durant to get out of the West, he'd be a legit finals contender every year in the east (most likely). He's already on a beast team with OKC, but, the West is stacked.. come to the East durant, come to .. South Beach.

 :ninja:
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: LBSS on June 23, 2016, 08:42:27 am
durant should make like lebron and come home to the wizards.  :highfive: :highfive: :highfive: :highfive:

actually, it kills me to say this but he should go to the celtics.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 23, 2016, 05:59:00 pm
^^ talks of Phil trying to get Durant to NY Knicks.... The Rose trade would make even more sense if this is the case. I'm a heat fan so, i'd hate to see the knicks start owning the heat.. but, that'd still be an interesting "Big 3" (melo, rose, durant). Maybe Durant is the type of player turn the NY graveyard into a field of flowers.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 23, 2016, 07:46:10 pm
Just looked up his age and can't believe Durant is so young. Feels like he's been around much longer. Was going to say surely he'd only move to someone with immediate chances but he still has a few years to build. I would love to see him in the East too as I think GSW are going to dominate the West in years to come.

Also, why has NY become a graveyard? I haven't paid them much attention the last few years.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Mutumbo000 on June 23, 2016, 09:42:22 pm
NBA draft today.

Ben Simmons off to the 76ers with the #1 pick!

Top 10 picks:
ROUND 1

1. Philadelphia 76ers - Ben Simmons (LSU)

2. Los Angeles Lakers - Brandon Ingram (Duke)

3. Boston Celtics (via Nets) - Jaylen Brown (California)

4. Phoenix Suns - Dragan Bender (Croatia)

5. Minnesota Timberwolves - Kris Dunn (Providence)

6. New Orleans Pelicans - Buddy Hield (Oklahoma)

7. Denver Nuggets - Jamal Murray (Kentucky)

8. Sacramento Kings - Marquese Chriss (Washington) - proposed trade to Phoenix Suns for picks 13 & 28

9. Toronto Raptors (via Knicks) - Jakob Poeltl (Utah & Austria)

10. Milwaukee Bucks - Thon Maker (Australia)
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 24, 2016, 12:34:53 am
Just looked up his age and can't believe Durant is so young. Feels like he's been around much longer. Was going to say surely he'd only move to someone with immediate chances but he still has a few years to build. I would love to see him in the East too as I think GSW are going to dominate the West in years to come.

Also, why has NY become a graveyard? I haven't paid them much attention the last few years.

well, just the fact that from 2001-2002 to 2015-2016 season, they've made the playoffs four times. but, from 1988-1989 - 2000-2001 season, they made the playoffs every year. That's a major "fall from grace". I wish they sucked this bad when during the 1990's when the heat had a solid squad :) they were a major thorn in the Heat's side during those years.. made for some amazing playoff series/games though..

I just think their org makes bad moves.. Bad coaching moves. Bad player signings. Melo, Marburry, Staudomire..  not a huge fan of those guys. If they can convince someone like Durant to come over though....... that's huge. Hope they do it tbh (unless the Heat can get Durant).
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 24, 2016, 12:36:16 am
NBA draft today.

Ben Simmons off to the 76ers with the #1 pick!

Top 10 picks:
ROUND 1

1. Philadelphia 76ers - Ben Simmons (LSU)

2. Los Angeles Lakers - Brandon Ingram (Duke)

3. Boston Celtics (via Nets) - Jaylen Brown (California)

4. Phoenix Suns - Dragan Bender (Croatia)

5. Minnesota Timberwolves - Kris Dunn (Providence)

6. New Orleans Pelicans - Buddy Hield (Oklahoma)

7. Denver Nuggets - Jamal Murray (Kentucky)

8. Sacramento Kings - Marquese Chriss (Washington) - proposed trade to Phoenix Suns for picks 13 & 28

9. Toronto Raptors (via Knicks) - Jakob Poeltl (Utah & Austria)

10. Milwaukee Bucks - Thon Maker (Australia)

nice!

Ingram to the Lakers... they should be happy.

also, i'd be really happy if I was the bucks.. landing Maker. He's got some serious skills.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 24, 2016, 12:46:19 am
so impressed with Thon Maker.. i've been watching this dude on youtube, ballislife etc.. he could be a real gem of a player. Lots of people probably cast doubt on him because of his build.. but he reminds me of a KG with better handles/better jumper. That's LEGIT.. just needs to develop now in the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wttjoWjzvm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsmA-bJ4p8

skills like that at 7' ??? c'mon.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 24, 2016, 01:50:59 am
Agree 100%. Have seen a few interviews with him and he seems pretty switched on too. Has come from war torn Sudan so no doubt understands the privilege of his position. If he can add some more size and strength he will be an absolute beast.

He still has a max vert of 36.5". That's huge at his height.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 24, 2016, 02:03:57 am
Agree 100%. Have seen a few interviews with him and he seems pretty switched on too. Has come from war torn Sudan so no doubt understands the privilege of his position. If he can add some more size and strength he will be an absolute beast.

He still has a max vert of 36.5". That's huge at his height.

36.5" at his height is absolutely ridiculous. so sick.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 24, 2016, 02:17:29 am
Just looked up his age and can't believe Durant is so young. Feels like he's been around much longer. Was going to say surely he'd only move to someone with immediate chances but he still has a few years to build. I would love to see him in the East too as I think GSW are going to dominate the West in years to come.

Also, why has NY become a graveyard? I haven't paid them much attention the last few years.

well, just the fact that from 2001-2002 to 2015-2016 season, they've made the playoffs four times. but, from 1988-1989 - 2000-2001 season, they made the playoffs every year. That's a major "fall from grace". I wish they sucked this bad when during the 1990's when the heat had a solid squad :) they were a major thorn in the Heat's side during those years.. made for some amazing playoff series/games though..

I just think their org makes bad moves.. Bad coaching moves. Bad player signings. Melo, Marburry, Staudomire..  not a huge fan of those guys. If they can convince someone like Durant to come over though....... that's huge. Hope they do it tbh (unless the Heat can get Durant).

I'm just hoping Rose doesn't go there to die a horrible death too.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 24, 2016, 02:18:32 am
Agree 100%. Have seen a few interviews with him and he seems pretty switched on too. Has come from war torn Sudan so no doubt understands the privilege of his position. If he can add some more size and strength he will be an absolute beast.

He still has a max vert of 36.5". That's huge at his height.

36.5" at his height is absolutely ridiculous. so sick.

Yep. A 9'3" reach and a 36.5" vert. Just imagine the possibilities  :ibjumping: :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: vag on June 24, 2016, 09:09:11 am
Measuremeeeeeeeeents!!!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Sorted by SVJ : http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2016&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=10

Notable:

Dorian Smith : 6'8'' , 8'4'' reach , 38,5'' SVJ , 11'6'' SVJ max touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekLWUE_dD8

Damian Jones :  6'11'' , 8'11'' reach , 36'' SVJ , 11'11'' SVJ max touch  :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIqB2m6Ens

Sorted by max RVJ:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2016&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=12

Notable:
26 guys over 38''

Highest measurement = 44'' ( Kay Felder, 5'9'', shit! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIkYJB6q2cQ

Joel Bolomboy guy: 6'9'' / 225 / 8'7'' reach / 37'5'' SVJ / 40.5'' RVJ , dunk machine, dude can get around 12'' anytime )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atlCqccWzBY




Vert un-related , keep an eye on Greek prospect Papagiannis, 18 years old 7'1'' 240lbs
Dude missed half the season ( previous Panathinaikos coach didn't give him time ) , it is incredible that he got drafted so high!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzA3s9Awx9Y



Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on June 24, 2016, 01:45:23 pm
Measuremeeeeeeeeents!!!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Sorted by SVJ : http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2016&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=10

Notable:

Dorian Smith : 6'8'' , 8'4'' reach , 38,5'' SVJ , 11'6'' SVJ max touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekLWUE_dD8

Damian Jones :  6'11'' , 8'11'' reach , 36'' SVJ , 11'11'' SVJ max touch  :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIqB2m6Ens

Sorted by max RVJ:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2016&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=12

Notable:
26 guys over 38''

Highest measurement = 44'' ( Kay Felder, 5'9'', shit! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIkYJB6q2cQ

Joel Bolomboy guy: 6'9'' / 225 / 8'7'' reach / 37'5'' SVJ / 40.5'' RVJ , dunk machine, dude can get around 12'' anytime )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atlCqccWzBY




Vert un-related , keep an eye on Greek prospect Papagiannis, 18 years old 7'1'' 240lbs
Dude missed half the season ( previous Panathinaikos coach didn't give him time ) , it is incredible that he got drafted so high!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzA3s9Awx9Y

That first guy... Are those measurements really right?  6'8 with only 8'4 inch reach???  So 20 inch arms?  So he has the arm length of a 5'9 guy?  His arms don't look long in the video but still...
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: LBSS on June 24, 2016, 02:18:04 pm
thon maker's knees collapse in worse than RGIII's. dollars to donuts he fucks up one leg or the other before you can say "greg oden". hope i'm wrong for his sake.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: vag on June 24, 2016, 03:42:21 pm
T0dday yes, i thought of that too, crazy in-compliance between height and reach.
The dunk is not THAT impressive too, but i couldn't find much. Sure, it is off one leg over a huge guy and in traffic. But i'd still expect to see something more from a guy with 11'6'' SVJ touch.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: acole14 on June 24, 2016, 07:49:36 pm
Yeah I am very bearish on Thon Maker. Players like him just can't stay on the court...plus competitive play issues (i.e. the Dante Exum situation). Hasn't played in very high levels of competition and as a result is probably overrated. He's getting massive hype over here now, of course. They're showing footage of him barely jumping doing a dunk drill and the news anchors are just going overboard over it.

On vertical/reach discrepancies, read this:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis)

They calculate their max vertical from their previously reported reaches, which were done incorrectly apparently.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: ChrisM on June 24, 2016, 08:57:00 pm
I read that report too Acole and agree with 99% of it. Not to mention cmonnnnn this is the NBA right? They dont have the resources to measure these guys that day?!?! 😑

The 1% is having watched a few Kay Felder highlights....the dude jumps 40s. Easy. Hell i dont even know wtf theyre saying that his reach was 'ridiculously low'. He's 5'9 with a 7'5 reach? I may have 'short' arms as well (my wingspan tip.to tip is 1.5" lower than my height....most hoopers have longer wingspans than height) but he seems damn close to me?!?! Im 5'10 with a 7'6!

Having compared his reach to mine...and knowing my vert...I call BS on the article :) lol

Carry on
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Mutumbo000 on June 25, 2016, 01:08:17 am
Yeah I am very bearish on Thon Maker. Players like him just can't stay on the court...plus competitive play issues (i.e. the Dante Exum situation). Hasn't played in very high levels of competition and as a result is probably overrated. He's getting massive hype over here now, of course. They're showing footage of him barely jumping doing a dunk drill and the news anchors are just going overboard over it.

On vertical/reach discrepancies, read this:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis)

They calculate their max vertical from their previously reported reaches, which were done incorrectly apparently.

It'll be interesting to see how he goes.

From his point of view I think it was a very smart decision going straight for the NBA because if he goes to college and doesn't perform/gets exposed then it's career over. He goes to the NBA and becomes a bust well he's already made US$3million as a first round draft pick. If you're spending that much money on a player you're going to do everything in your power to develop him and make him become an asset, which sort of negates the 'should play college to develop' argument.

I don't follow the NBA much, but I certainly haven't heard much about Dante Exum. Playing with a team like Utah, which doesn't get much publicity doesn't do much to help his cause either.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on June 25, 2016, 02:29:24 pm
Yeah I am very bearish on Thon Maker. Players like him just can't stay on the court...plus competitive play issues (i.e. the Dante Exum situation). Hasn't played in very high levels of competition and as a result is probably overrated. He's getting massive hype over here now, of course. They're showing footage of him barely jumping doing a dunk drill and the news anchors are just going overboard over it.

On vertical/reach discrepancies, read this:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis)

They calculate their max vertical from their previously reported reaches, which were done incorrectly apparently.

Yeah, to be fair vertical and standing reach seems kind of like an impossible standard.  IMO since arm length is such a praised resource I would imagine most NBA guys would exaggerate their arm reach up a few inches... But I cannot believe some of these low reaches...

Personally I only have faith is my vertical with my head touches.  I'm 5'11 w flat hair and have gotten my flattop to the bottom of rim... So that's a 48" vertical minus 3 inches for hair and bottom of rim vs top... 45".  I trust it... Of course maybe the rim heights are not accurate so all bets are off lol. 

I know that when I reach to a vertec based on how much a dislocate my should and stretch and tip toe a bit my reach is actually between 7'7 and 8 feet...  A five inch range for my true reach is pretty huge...

In some nfl combines they do a two handed reach which obviously inflates vertical but actually makes it more standard IMO
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on June 25, 2016, 11:43:55 pm
Ibaka to the Magic.

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16462469/serge-ibaka-traded-oklahoma-city-thunder-orlando-magic

The whole thing makes a lot of sense but all hinges on KD staying with OKC. Apparently he's meeting 5 teams outside of OKC including the Celtics, Clippers, Heat, Spurs and GSW all at one place over the next week and will sign before July 9. I'd love him to stay with OKC but so many other possibilities.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on June 26, 2016, 01:02:02 am
Ibaka to the Magic.

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16462469/serge-ibaka-traded-oklahoma-city-thunder-orlando-magic

The whole thing makes a lot of sense but all hinges on KD staying with OKC. Apparently he's meeting 5 teams outside of OKC including the Celtics, Clippers, Heat, Spurs and GSW all at one place over the next week and will sign before July 9. I'd love him to stay with OKC but so many other possibilities.

ibaka to orlando.. nice.

isn't that kind of a bad sign when it comes to keeping durant in OKC though?

if i had to bet money on it.. i'd say he's going to leave OKC.

apparently the warriors will go after Whiteside (MIA) if they can't get Durant.. nooooooOoOOOoo.. that would suck for MIA fans, unless they can get Durant in Miami.

http://heatnation.com/rumors/report-golden-state-warriors-target-hassan-whiteside-unable-sign-durant/
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on June 26, 2016, 06:07:36 am
Ibaka to the Magic.

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16462469/serge-ibaka-traded-oklahoma-city-thunder-orlando-magic

The whole thing makes a lot of sense but all hinges on KD staying with OKC. Apparently he's meeting 5 teams outside of OKC including the Celtics, Clippers, Heat, Spurs and GSW all at one place over the next week and will sign before July 9. I'd love him to stay with OKC but so many other possibilities.

ibaka to orlando.. nice.

isn't that kind of a bad sign when it comes to keeping durant in OKC though?

if i had to bet money on it.. i'd say he's going to leave OKC.

apparently the warriors will go after Whiteside (MIA) if they can't get Durant.. nooooooOoOOOoo.. that would suck for MIA fans, unless they can get Durant in Miami.

http://heatnation.com/rumors/report-golden-state-warriors-target-hassan-whiteside-unable-sign-durant/

Man... If the Warriors got whiteside and taught him the corner three....  Goddamn. 

Even if they didn't got they would be deadly... Their greatest weakness right now IMO is that while draymond is great he isn't a true rim protector cause he is too short and their two rim protectors (ezili and bogut) are too slow to fit into their offense... Almost think whiteside would be better than durant for them...

Either one though will make them absolutely unfair*

*unless of course whiteside finally gets paid and decides to stop trying
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on July 01, 2016, 07:20:15 pm
Delly to the Bucks unless the Cavs match the offer. Great to see him get rewarded.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/07/02/07/27/dellavedova-signs-with-bucks

Dwight to the Hawks

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16684040/dwight-howard-atlanta-hawks-agree-3-year-705-million-deal



Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 02, 2016, 12:22:48 am
HEAT SIGN WHITESIDE!!!!

<-- me happy.

4 years, 98 mil.. damn

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-hassan-whiteside-s070116-story.html


they are also still trying to get Durant.. the only problem I have is, man what about Wade? dude needs to get paid...
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 02, 2016, 12:24:40 am
Delly to the Bucks unless the Cavs match the offer. Great to see him get rewarded.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/07/02/07/27/dellavedova-signs-with-bucks

whoa.. and mozgov to the Lakers.


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Dwight to the Hawks

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16684040/dwight-howard-atlanta-hawks-agree-3-year-705-million-deal

I like Dwight to the hawks. Man he should have never left the East.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 02, 2016, 12:25:02 am
what's up with this Lebron opt-out? Is he going anywhere?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/06/29/lebron-james-contract-cleveland-cavaliers/86506952/
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on July 02, 2016, 12:42:36 am
what's up with this Lebron opt-out? Is he going anywhere?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/06/29/lebron-james-contract-cleveland-cavaliers/86506952/

No.  The NBA salary cap and max system are messing things up... There are max players who sign long max deals right now (kevin loves of the NBA) to get what they can and "true max" players who won't do it cause they will still be max guys under the new higher salary cap and don't want to sign a max deal that will be dwarfed by those max deals...

Lebron is in the second group.  Unfortunately he has to take a risk and assume he doesn't get hurt by signing short deals until the new cap is done... It's similar to Jordan in 97,98, etc when he kept signing 1 year deals.  Lebron will probably sign another 1 year deal with a player option (his only injury insurance) and then cash in next year...

Too bad they can't let Lebron sign a one year deal with 5 years of player options...
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 02, 2016, 01:18:18 am
^^ thanks


also... mike conley, 5 year - 153 million WTF? that's incredible.. and shocking.

http://clutchpoints.com/mike-conley-agrees-5-year-153m-deal-memphis-grizzlies/
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 02, 2016, 06:54:16 am
I have a lot of people in my Facebook list "complaining" about how "ridiculous" these salaries are. I'm like "no, there's nothing special about 153 million that isn't special about 100 mil or 10 mil". The market decides how much is too much or how much is too little. Obviously, if the team decided to offer him 153 mil $, then that's their decision. Then in their view, that is not too much. Nothing to comment on. That's the financial context of the NBA right now.

On the other hand, Wade was offered only 10 mil :D by the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 02, 2016, 01:34:40 pm
I have a lot of people in my Facebook list "complaining" about how "ridiculous" these salaries are. I'm like "no, there's nothing special about 153 million that isn't special about 100 mil or 10 mil". The market decides how much is too much or how much is too little. Obviously, if the team decided to offer him 153 mil $, then that's their decision. Then in their view, that is not too much. Nothing to comment on. That's the financial context of the NBA right now.

of course there's something to comment on.. I imagine they could have given 153 million to Durant, not Conley; that would have been a far better investment.... Maybe i'm just not clued to how all of this works, but giving so much money to one guy who hasn't even been an allstar caliber player seems like a bad move. Why not use more of that money to bring in an elite player? (unless for some reason they couldn't)

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On the other hand, Wade was offered only 10 mil :D by the Heat.

unless there's some promise of ~100 million next year, he should peace out. :/
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on July 02, 2016, 02:24:16 pm
I have a lot of people in my Facebook list "complaining" about how "ridiculous" these salaries are. I'm like "no, there's nothing special about 153 million that isn't special about 100 mil or 10 mil". The market decides how much is too much or how much is too little. Obviously, if the team decided to offer him 153 mil $, then that's their decision. Then in their view, that is not too much. Nothing to comment on. That's the financial context of the NBA right now.

of course there's something to comment on.. I imagine they could have given 153 million to Durant, not Conley; that would have been a far better investment.... Maybe i'm just not clued to how all of this works, but giving so much money to one guy who hasn't even been an allstar caliber player seems like a bad move. Why not use more of that money to bring in an elite player? (unless for some reason they couldn't)

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On the other hand, Wade was offered only 10 mil :D by the Heat.

unless there's some promise of ~100 million next year, he should peace out. :/

The thing is this is all a strange speculative game based on the cap.  Unlikely Durant will sign a 5 year 150 million dollar deal with anyone... More like a 2-3 year deal.   Teams don't know how high the salary cap is gonna go but the idea is you sign Mike Conley to this deal and in years 4 and 5 he is only making 30 million which is a tiny percentage of the salary cap and he is way underpaid allowing you to build a great team...  That said I think they might be betting a bit high...

It's counterintuitive but with a fast rising cap the good but not great players are gonna sign the biggest total deals... Your not gonna convince a great player to sign a six year deal where they might end up being one of the lower paid players in a few years...  But for the guys who are not transcendent you can throw six years at them and a tremendous sum of money and they will think "(a) I'm coming off a good year, I might get hurt or exposed as worse than I am soon and not be this highly valued and (b) who cares if I'm soon on of the lower paid stars, 150 million dollars is a lot, I'm gonna lock it down...
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 02:18:40 am
Delly has signed a 4 year $38 million contract with the Bucks :o
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on July 03, 2016, 11:56:20 am
Delly has signed a 4 year $38 million contract with the Bucks :o

Wow this year is quite a shakeup.  If durant leaves the landscape of the NBA could be very different...  Well not if he goes to warriors but if he would go to Knicks or wizards that would be so cool...

I think Lebron winning a title really changes the calculus of the players...  Especially had the Cavs lost like 4-1 to the Warriors the perception would have been very different...

I think then the perception for players like Durant would have been: "the east is so weak.  Right now LeBron just makes it every year and loses to a better western team.  Why not go east and all I have to do is beat the Cavs to get to the finals and then who knows."

But now that they won I feel like it's not nearly as strong but somewhat like how the Bulls were in the late 90s.  Like everyone knows the East is weaker but nobody wants to go their because your not getting past the Bulls and into the finals... 

Funny how perception can change on something so small -  the Warriors could have had DG and possibly closed it out in 5... They didn't.  Cavs look like a juggernaut and confidence of guys like love and Irving it going to carry into next season...
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 03, 2016, 05:23:18 pm
ya definitely.. Lebron/Cavs got the east on lock right now. It used to be easier to get out of the East, but right now, you're going to have to get past the Cavs juggernaut; they are going to be even better next year.

If Durant leaves the West, then the West will probably be easier to get out of than the East.. that's an interesting change in the power structure. Right now it's GSW/OKC/LAC/POR, those teams are STACKED. In the east, it's pretty much just CLE.. but who knows, maybe it'll be CLE/NY, and maybe even MIA. Alot depends on Durant imho.. if he stays, legit threat to GSW next year.. if he leaves for the east, most likely a legit threat to CLE.

exciting ;d
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Post by: adarqui on July 03, 2016, 05:26:06 pm
also.. i'm a huge Wade/MIA fan but honestly, i'd also be happy to see him in CHICAGO.. going "back home" and landing some major money.

I guess i'm different though.. I like players moving around, it's fun. :ninja:

I still want Durant in MIA tho.. c'mon riles.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-kevin-durant-s070316-story.html

i love tyler johnson, but let him go, if that means more money for Wade or Durant.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on July 03, 2016, 08:52:19 pm
HEAT SIGN WHITESIDE!!!!

<-- me happy.

4 years, 98 mil.. damn

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-hassan-whiteside-s070116-story.html


they are also still trying to get Durant.. the only problem I have is, man what about Wade? dude needs to get paid...

Miami should be ashamed of themselves to treat Wade that way. Lowballing him on $10m a year. Delly is getting nearly $10m a year. Wade needs to go to the Knicks and team up with DRose. 
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Post by: LBSS on July 03, 2016, 09:34:06 pm
all i know is the wizards didn't get jack shit and i'm sad about it.
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Post by: adarqui on July 03, 2016, 10:59:24 pm
all i know is the wizards didn't get jack shit and i'm sad about it.

wizards? who? :ninja:

i know how you feel though.. reminds me of the 2000+ dolphins.



HEAT SIGN WHITESIDE!!!!

<-- me happy.

4 years, 98 mil.. damn

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-hassan-whiteside-s070116-story.html


they are also still trying to get Durant.. the only problem I have is, man what about Wade? dude needs to get paid...

Miami should be ashamed of themselves to treat Wade that way. Lowballing him on $10m a year. Delly is getting nearly $10m a year. Wade needs to go to the Knicks and team up with DRose.

ya definitely.. that's why if he leaves and gets some big $$, i'd probably be happier than if he stays. MIA really screwed themselves here - unless they just don't care at this point.. that would be disappointing though, considering what he's done for Miami.

i'd love to see him in CHI.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 04, 2016, 02:52:24 am
Miami always brag about how they treat "their own" right, like for example in the case of Udonis Haslem.

Unless they know something we don't (like, maybe they got medical reports that Wade will break down in 1 year or so), then this doesn't make sense. Obviously, there has to be some underlying reason that we're not yet aware of.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 04, 2016, 11:58:12 am
Kevin Durant to Warriors

(https://scontent.fotp3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13567487_10154151142496006_2046777852920204192_n.jpg?oh=e7e1f1b63a9ec711006d0256cd9df7ce&oe=57F79FED)
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: LBSS on July 04, 2016, 12:52:50 pm
that team is either going to score 140 points a game or self-destruct.
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Post by: adarqui on July 04, 2016, 01:39:14 pm
so.. will GSW go 82-0 next year?

:(

i'm excited to see what happens, and disappointed because I want to see Durant on a different team just so we can see another legit threat in the NBA. With him going to GSW, it's almost too easy now..

I already want to see a 3-peat of GSW/CLE in the finals.. However, I 100% want CLE to win again.

GSW is now at the point where they are just so stacked, that I find myself rooting against them.. ie, every opponent they face is such a huge underdog, and I love underdogs. I imagine this will be the overall sentiment now that Durant has joined GSW.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 04, 2016, 03:17:39 pm
What bothers me is the tons of people that criticize Durant. "He chose the easy path" and so on. Fuck off. He was presented with an opportunity and he took that opportunity. That's it. He would've been an idiot to ignore it.

"Honor" and stuff like that are just words for fools. In life, you take the best opportunities and you roll with them. It's better to be sorry for what you did than be sorry for what you didn't, or the opportunity that you didn't take.

This is just business, and he's maximizing his chances of winning. Simple.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: T0ddday on July 04, 2016, 04:28:43 pm
What bothers me is the tons of people that criticize Durant. "He chose the easy path" and so on. Fuck off. He was presented with an opportunity and he took that opportunity. That's it. He would've been an idiot to ignore it.

"Honor" and stuff like that are just words for fools. In life, you take the best opportunities and you roll with them. It's better to be sorry for what you did than be sorry for what you didn't, or the opportunity that you didn't take.

This is just business, and he's maximizing his chances of winning. Simple.

With the exception of your last sentence I want to agree 100% with your post... The last sentence about business doesn't really make sense to me...  Usually when we players say it's just business it's usually about money...  Like when Byron maxwell went to the Eagles and admitted "I was going to sign w whoever paid me the most..."  I had no problem with his straight up honesty...  It's just business and he maximized the money he can make in a very dangerous sport.  Great for him.  No shade.

However, this isn't business.  This is life.  KD has tons of money.  NBA is way safer and he has ridiculous endorsements.  Maybe he wants to win.  Maybe he wants to have fun.  Maybe he just wants to live in the Bay Area in California instead of shitty Oklahoma.  Who cares.  He wants to play in golden state cause that's what makes him happy and I have zero problem with that.  I mean as long as what makes him happy isn't seeing people get punched in the nuts up close (lol jk) then why should anyone have a problem with it - he feels like he is happier going to GSW so he does... Fine by me.  Probably winning has something to do with it but even if he made the decision soley based on California vs Oklahoma why should anyone care or hate on him for it?  I turned down a much better job in Wisconsin to stay in LA and it made me happy and if this is what he wants to do fine by me...

However...  Even though I think it's wrong... There is a little part of me that wants him to deal with some criticism because of what Lebron had to deal with... Lebron got hated so much for teaming up w Dwade (even though the heat were nothing like GSW and the Cavs nothing like OKC when he left) that it seems unfair if KD doesn't deal with it... Truthfully though I know two wrongs don't make a right so I can't criticize the move at all...  Lebron didn't deserve scorn for making his life decisions about where he plays and neither does KD...

This is interesting though for the long term...  Does this mean Klay Thompson is gone???  I mean the Warriors have done an amazingly good and lucky job with the cap - signing Steph curry to a ridiculously low contract when he had his ankle injuries right before he became MVP is what allows them to afford this move... I know it's a short deal but if they win next year - and they have to be the favorites what does this mean long term?  I mean they can't have 4 max guys right?  Steph, Klay, KD, DG...  Personally I think Klay is underrated and better overall than DG but if they let DG they will be really redundant...  I hope Klay goes to Cleveland... I am almost accepting the Warriors winning next year but hoping the year after Klay teams up w LBJ and th Cavs get it back!  That would be such a fun rivalry but I'm sure I'm looking waaaaay too far ahead... Also... That Warriors bench gonna get weak no?  Gonna be interesting to see who KD takes his shots from... Man what if he came off the bench?  Lol probably would be best for the team to have Klay or KD come off the bench but I doubt it will happen...
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Post by: T0ddday on July 04, 2016, 04:47:57 pm
Also.... While I do stand by my support of players to play wherever they want - hypocrisy is a bitch and in the age of Twitter when everything is saved durant deserves some shade in light of what he said in 2010 when the lakers got Dwight and Nash and the Cavs got Lebron:

Durant on twitter:
"Now everybody wanna play for the heat and the Lakers? Let’s go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!"

Lol. 

Seriously while the Warriors won 73 games let's not forget they were not truly dominant ever in the postseason...  Really the last team that was semi dominant post season dynasty was the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe and the last truly dominant team was the Bulls three peat...  I mean yeah he is joining the better team but truly joining the winners would be joining the Bulls in the off season before 96-97.  That was a team everyone knew would win... Hasn't been like that of late for anybody...

I mean Warriors won a lot but were down 2-1 in the finals when they won... Cavs won but were down 3-1.  Warriors had two game sevens.  The NBA only has five guys and so many shots to go around... So yeah the Warriors are way better and it's hard for me to imagine them losing but adding Durant is not purely additive and we should remember that... I mean Harrison Barnes is gone but his usage rate is half of KDs...

Vegas has the Warriors at 4-5 which is crazy because I can't remember seeing a favorite with a negative payout ever (tried to google Bulls but couldn't find it) but I'd say that's about right... Warriors are a 60% chance to win finals... That's good but it's not like KD just joined a team where they are given a ring... He will have to work hard and will deserve credit if they win it all... In the NBA talent gets you there easily but winning a ring is never easy or predestined (unless your the Bulls with Rodman Pippen and Jordan).
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Mutumbo000 on July 04, 2016, 10:05:13 pm
What bothers me is the tons of people that criticize Durant. "He chose the easy path" and so on. Fuck off. He was presented with an opportunity and he took that opportunity. That's it. He would've been an idiot to ignore it.

"Honor" and stuff like that are just words for fools. In life, you take the best opportunities and you roll with them. It's better to be sorry for what you did than be sorry for what you didn't, or the opportunity that you didn't take.

This is just business, and he's maximizing his chances of winning. Simple.

True. Durant could have a couple of serious knee injuries and never be able to play again. Are the Thunder going to look after him? In this era of professionalism and free agency the days of loyalty are dead.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 05, 2016, 01:04:33 am
Also.... While I do stand by my support of players to play wherever they want - hypocrisy is a bitch and in the age of Twitter when everything is saved durant deserves some shade in light of what he said in 2010 when the lakers got Dwight and Nash and the Cavs got Lebron:

Durant on twitter:
"Now everybody wanna play for the heat and the Lakers? Let’s go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!"

Lol.

haha. nice.

i still can't get over KD going to GSW. on paper that team is just incredible.

already looking forward to GSW/CLE in next year's finals.


What bothers me is the tons of people that criticize Durant. "He chose the easy path" and so on. Fuck off. He was presented with an opportunity and he took that opportunity. That's it. He would've been an idiot to ignore it.

"Honor" and stuff like that are just words for fools. In life, you take the best opportunities and you roll with them. It's better to be sorry for what you did than be sorry for what you didn't, or the opportunity that you didn't take.

This is just business, and he's maximizing his chances of winning. Simple.

True. Durant could have a couple of serious knee injuries and never be able to play again. Are the Thunder going to look after him? In this era of professionalism and free agency the days of loyalty are dead.

yup.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 05, 2016, 01:07:48 am
Quote
Selected for the 2016 U.S. Olympic Team, which is seeking a third consecutive Olympic title, were: Carmelo Anthony (New York Knicks/Syracuse); Harrison Barnes (Golden State Warriors/North Carolina); Jimmy Butler (Chicago Bulls/Marquette); DeMarcus Cousins (Sacramento Kings/Kentucky); DeMar DeRozan (Toronto Raptors/USC); Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder/Texas); Paul George (Indiana Pacers/Fresno State); Draymond Green (Golden State Warriors/Michigan State); Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers/Duke); DeAndre Jordan (Los Angeles Clippers/Texas A&M); Kyle Lowry (Toronto Raptors/Villanova); and Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors/Washington State).

3 warriors (1 ex warrior - Barnes) on the olympic team.. and it could have been 4 with Curry.. and now 5, with Durant.

wtf.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on July 05, 2016, 02:58:08 am
Have seen so many of these today:

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Post by: Coges on July 05, 2016, 03:01:01 am
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Post by: Coges on July 05, 2016, 03:10:23 am
Gold!

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Post by: Raptor on July 05, 2016, 03:45:37 am
Fuck I'm at work and can't even watch these... I'll have a laughter attack.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 05, 2016, 05:21:15 am
Have seen so many of these today:



LMFAO
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Kingfish on July 05, 2016, 07:16:51 am
i'll start saving for warriors home game ticket. can't wait for the splash family to put on a show.  :headbang:

what do you do on a durant / curry pick and roll.  :trollface:

Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 05, 2016, 07:30:37 am
Foul them hard. They're skinny and you can injure them, and then you can win the game.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Kingfish on July 05, 2016, 07:35:17 am
Foul them hard. They're skinny and you can injure them, and then you can win the game.

seeing how unfair the gsw lineup is (4/5 vegas championship odds now), maybe some team will really play dirty on them. gsw needs a bruiser. somebody like kurt thomas back in NY days. hard foul specialist.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 05, 2016, 08:34:31 am
Charles Oakley :P
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: LBSS on July 05, 2016, 10:43:59 am
you mean other than draymond "ball punch" green?
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Kingfish on July 05, 2016, 11:05:50 am
Charles Oakley :P

that man is illegal. i could see him taking out lebron for a game if that is his detail for the night.  he body slammed barkeley. lol
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on July 06, 2016, 10:50:13 pm
This is kinda cool. Would be fitting to see him go home.

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16840869/chicago-bulls-eyeing-dwyane-wade-seek-jose-calderon-trade

Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 07, 2016, 12:06:32 am
This is kinda cool. Would be fitting to see him go home.

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/16840869/chicago-bulls-eyeing-dwyane-wade-seek-jose-calderon-trade

ya i'm happy for him, and sad (for him and for the heat) at the same time. At this point in his career, he should have been a Heat lifer.. they should have paid that man his moniez.

heat dropped the ball.

going to be exciting to see him in Chicago.. i'll definitely be watching.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 07, 2016, 03:30:22 am
And they (the Heat) brag about how they're a classy organization that "take care of their own".
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: ghettoracer on July 07, 2016, 06:34:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_mZpAHOwBY
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 11, 2016, 12:24:19 am
btw Thon Maker is ballin` in summer league.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/22007/bucks-rookie-thon-maker-sets-a-high-standard-at-summer-league
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Coges on July 11, 2016, 12:51:14 am
btw Thon Maker is ballin` in summer league.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/22007/bucks-rookie-thon-maker-sets-a-high-standard-at-summer-league

I watched his game the other day and he has huge upside if he can stay injury free.

Have been watching Ben Simmons closely too and his passing is just beautiful. For a 6'10/240 guy it's ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfU5aEw1U0

Also, can shoot of either hand. He's going to be a handful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5OzD3ou6pc
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 11, 2016, 03:52:24 am
I could never understand why tall people are expected to be "bad passers". What does height have to do with an inability to pass? I just don't get it. If anything, it should be an advantage. The only thing that is negative is that big men are usually in finishing positions, so they aren't in a position to pass all that often. That's all. I can't think of anything else.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: maxent on July 11, 2016, 04:03:41 am
I'm late to teh party but disappointed KD left OKC cause there is no team to compete with that beast team anymore. Guess i have to get used to watching a team torch opponents all the way to the championship just to say i saw the best team ever play?
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 11, 2016, 04:09:46 am
I'm late to teh party but disappointed KD left OKC cause there is no team to compete with that beast team anymore. Guess i have to get used to watching a team torch opponents all the way to the championship just to say i saw the best team ever play?

and then watch lebron beat em` in the finals.  :ninja:
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 11, 2016, 04:12:49 am
I could never understand why tall people are expected to be "bad passers". What does height have to do with an inability to pass? I just don't get it. If anything, it should be an advantage. The only thing that is negative is that big men are usually in finishing positions, so they aren't in a position to pass all that often. That's all. I can't think of anything else.

just overall coordination i think.. big people are usually just slower/more brute-like. less finesse/quickness. I mean just look at heavyweight boxing as an example. The difference between them and welterweights, in terms of quickness, hand speed, endurance, movement, energy is ridiculous.

but that's mostly at the high school/college level. in the nba, the vast majority of these big guys are uber coordinated.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 11, 2016, 04:15:30 am
btw Thon Maker is ballin` in summer league.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/22007/bucks-rookie-thon-maker-sets-a-high-standard-at-summer-league

I watched his game the other day and he has huge upside if he can stay injury free.

Have been watching Ben Simmons closely too and his passing is just beautiful. For a 6'10/240 guy it's ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfU5aEw1U0

Also, can shoot of either hand. He's going to be a handful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5OzD3ou6pc

man he's SO impressive.. i underestimated him. really looking forward to watching him play.

some of those passes were season highlight level.
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Post by: Raptor on July 11, 2016, 04:38:49 am
I would understand lack of coordination for dribbling, maybe shooting. But passing? There's nobody that's stopping you from having great court vision, especially with the added height. There's nothing stopping you from being aware of the teammates' positions on the floor. There's no limitation in throwing a pass to the right guy.

Passing is more of an awareness thing than anything else. Height should have no implication in that.
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Post by: Mutumbo000 on July 11, 2016, 07:02:03 am
I would understand lack of coordination for dribbling, maybe shooting. But passing? There's nobody that's stopping you from having great court vision, especially with the added height. There's nothing stopping you from being aware of the teammates' positions on the floor. There's no limitation in throwing a pass to the right guy.

Passing is more of an awareness thing than anything else. Height should have no implication in that.

Most big guys especially at the amateur level look very uncoordinated. Maybe they just have slower reaction times when it comes to passing or they just chose not to pass the ball very often.  It's hard to think of many big guys that are great passers and who rack up assists.
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Post by: Coges on July 11, 2016, 08:09:14 am
I would understand lack of coordination for dribbling, maybe shooting. But passing? There's nobody that's stopping you from having great court vision, especially with the added height. There's nothing stopping you from being aware of the teammates' positions on the floor. There's no limitation in throwing a pass to the right guy.

Passing is more of an awareness thing than anything else. Height should have no implication in that.

Actual great passers are born. Having a high basketball IQ is not something a lot of guys have. How many Magic's have there been? Most guys are good passers but to go to the next level against elite guys is another thing altogether.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 11, 2016, 08:57:24 am
For me, it's always been an extreme thing with passes. I'm either not impressed at all, or extremely impressed by a pass.

I find it really weird to say "wow, what a pass" when a big guy throws a normal pass or sees someone open, at the level of the NBA. Shouldn't that be the norm? What's so special about it? I remember when Iguodala threw a behind the back pass to someone, from pretty close in, nothing extraordinary, and a ton of my friends were like "wwooooow what an amazing pass!!!!!111111111" I'm like calm down, it was just a behind the back pass.

You know I'm a big VC fan, but seriously, this pass by Vince here is the most difficult and amazing pass I have ever seen in my life. The amount of difficulty to throw that exactly to Odom is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dAACQSKDbY

Now THAT is a great pass.

Speaking of Vince and passing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UdCmgWw5qc
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Post by: Coges on July 11, 2016, 09:42:42 pm
Yeah that's a great pass. Maybe one of the greatest non-assists ever.

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Post by: LBSS on July 11, 2016, 09:51:50 pm
the two passes that come back-to-back starting at 2:43 in that video are bonkers.

ETA: i just went and looked at his stats, and there were only two seasons (05-06 and 06-07) where he averaged more than a dunk a game. that seems hard to believe.
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Post by: Raptor on July 12, 2016, 03:37:22 am
Yeah, lel. I watched I think over ... let me think... ~800 of his games. Incredible when you think about it. Started watching Vince play back in 2005, on a very bad internet connection, on low quality live streams and so on.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 12, 2016, 06:46:44 am
Yeah, lel. I watched I think over ... let me think... ~800 of his games. Incredible when you think about it. Started watching Vince play back in 2005, on a very bad internet connection, on low quality live streams and so on.

he was extra popular when i was younger, because he grew up in FL.

man he was such a freak in toronto.. vinsanity was a fun time for the nba.. he was a human highlight reel every night.
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Post by: Raptor on July 12, 2016, 06:48:26 am
I know one guy that lived in Toronto during Vince's years there, and he had season tickets there. I wanted to kill him :D
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Mutumbo000 on July 12, 2016, 07:32:26 am
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7e/56/e3/7e56e3841ea1065544d72df5639477bf.jpg)

Superstar!
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: vag on July 12, 2016, 07:52:02 am
Frédéric Weis dislikes this post.
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Post by: Raptor on July 12, 2016, 07:58:48 am
Vince made me famous when he retweeted me.

Or I did? I don't know.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: adarqui on July 12, 2016, 08:16:12 am
Vince made me famous when he retweeted me.

Or I did? I don't know.

url to tweet? i recall something about this, but forget.
Title: Re: NBA Trade Talk
Post by: Raptor on July 12, 2016, 08:45:47 am
It was a loooog time ago.. let me see... I can't find it anymore.