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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2015, 01:47:26 am »
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Genetics are important but my point is that Lebron has better genetics than Curry!!!

I agree with you though in the fact that as long as a player has baseline athleticism & height that skills are far more important than athleticism. That's why you have 40 year old players like Jason Kidd still playing guard in the NBA. The wingspan you mentioned is interesting but taller people tend to have larger wingspans so it makes sense. As for NBA players having average standing verticals and not being great athletes (obviously there are plenty of exceptions) I'd say it's probably because once they've passed the benchmark requirements it makes a lot more sense to focus on improving their jumper than their vert. Plus with the schedule NBA players have from a recovery viewpoint it just doesn't make sense to hammer themselves in the gym when they get much better results hammering themselves on the court.

A 34 inch vertical is pretty impressive. I've dunked at 5'11 and my standing vertical was only 26 inches at the time. My running vert was around 35 inches but I've always been a lot more reactive than explosive. As you said the hand-size/arm length also makes a difference. If I wasn't able to palm the ball I wouldn't be able to dunk.

I agree that Lebron has better genetics.  Curry was born into a better environment.  Neither chose either.   I do shudder that Curry will give too many kids false hope and make the school-to-prison/sports pipeline even worse! 

While it's true that taller people have longer wingspan... Trust me that's not what's going on in the NBA.  I was training last weekend and the Toronto Raptors walked in.   At first I didn't recognize them and wasn't sure if they were college/kids/nba or what...  Then I recognized Jerry Stackhouse but was puzzled cause I thought he retired.   Obviously they are all tall.   But so is any good AAU team of kids.   But the striking most mutant like thing you notice when you look at these guys is wingspan...  It's like who are all these extremely long armed mutants?   The NBA obviously selects for height but to a greater extent is selects for arm length, it really is striking how long the arms are on these guys...  Just look at the draft numbers.  A lot of just under 6' guys have 7'6 wingspans in real life.... almost nobody in the nba that is 6' has a wingspan this short...

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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2015, 02:55:43 am »
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Yes, agreed that NBA players are not really great athletes.  Basketball specific movement efficiency creates the illusion for a lot of them due to years and years of daily basketball playing.

Wow T0ddday, tell us more about chris paul and blake griffin lol...  what kind of training were they doing?  I mentioned in the andrew wiggins training video thread already how I despise the training of most NBA players cause they do nonsense training. 

I know skillwork is most important (obviously), but doesn't mean you can't also work on athleticism and become an even better player overall.  Doesn't always have to be 1 or the other.  Not saying anyone disagrees, just mentioning why I hate watching NBA players training videos. 

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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2015, 03:19:23 am »
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Yes, agreed that NBA players are not really great athletes.  Basketball specific movement efficiency creates the illusion for a lot of them due to years and years of daily basketball playing.

Wow T0ddday, tell us more about chris paul and blake griffin lol...  what kind of training were they doing?  I mentioned in the andrew wiggins training video thread already how I despise the training of most NBA players cause they do nonsense training. 

I know skillwork is most important (obviously), but doesn't mean you can't also work on athleticism and become an even better player overall.  Doesn't always have to be 1 or the other.  Not saying anyone disagrees, just mentioning why I hate watching NBA players training videos. 

Well, first off you have to realize some things about NBA players.  In season they are exhausted.  The ones I have talked to readily admit that by about 50 games they are all physically wiped out.  So, in season it essentially is one or the other and training takes a backseat.  They have skills trainers, team strength coaches, massage therapists, and speed and agility trainers....  During the season strength coaches and speed and agility trainers take a back seat to skills trainers and massage therapists. 

Second, a lot of the already established players are very risk averse.  Some of them refuse to do almost anything that isn't dynamic for fear of injury.  They end up doing a lot of slide board stuff and a lot of hip hyper extension work which isn't the most exciting stuff in the world.  In the offseason a lot of them do hill work, sprints, speed endurance stuff, band work, unilateral work, shoulder stability, etc.   There isn't a lot of limit strength or massive squatting by the established guys, those who do squat do mostly band + weight squats but they do do a lot of core work and some impressive med ball stuff.   It's more than prehab but it's not exactly a blank slate of an athlete to develop...  Prospective football players are a lot more fun to train if you want to see big lifts. 

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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2015, 01:48:51 pm »
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lebron doesn't have "better" genetics than curry. that statement makes no sense; they do different things. it's like saying pedro martinez has better genetics than ichiro suzuki.
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wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2015, 12:55:08 am »
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/

I love sports statistics and stats say Curry is changing the game and practically should take every shot he can because he's soo good. Crazy
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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2015, 06:36:05 am »
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/

I love sports statistics and stats say Curry is changing the game and practically should take every shot he can because he's soo good. Crazy

great article. curry is neo from the matrix.

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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2015, 06:36:31 am »
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when you search "curry" on google images:




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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2015, 11:31:02 am »
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/

I love sports statistics and stats say Curry is changing the game and practically should take every shot he can because he's soo good. Crazy

great article. curry is neo from the matrix.

to put it another way, he's playing in god mode.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2015, 11:51:51 am »
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Nice article. Love stuff like that!
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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2015, 09:56:39 pm »
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omg this boston/gsw game is going down to the wire. ~2s left, 103 to 103. GSW's ball.


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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2015, 10:26:24 pm »
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apparently GSW is up 114-113 in the second overtime with 2 minutes to go.

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Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2015, 10:43:09 am »
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GSW 124, BOS 119

24-0.

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Wasnt pretty...  they are physically tired especially w the late boston game and now a flight to Milwaukee... more important they are emotionally tired... riding the high for so long for the brain is like an ecstacy binge...  there is a comedown and hangover...

Once they drop a couple they will be even better.  Scary.