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Title: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on January 31, 2015, 10:15:59 am
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May 2!@$$@!$!@

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12254197/bob-arum-says-fight-manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-jr-finalized-next-couple-days
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: LBSS on January 31, 2015, 08:03:50 pm
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Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: ChrisM on February 21, 2015, 01:07:52 pm
It really is happening!!!!! Lol!
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on February 21, 2015, 01:22:07 pm
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Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on February 21, 2015, 04:35:40 pm
Predictions:

I see it as Manny pacquiao UD because of a KO in the first few rounds and a late round Ko, mayweather's boxing will cause some trouble but pacquiao's excellent footwork is going to overcome that and win the show.

Expect a rematch with pacquiao getting majority of purse.
 :headbang:
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 02, 2015, 06:01:37 pm
Was watching the Zab Judah, fight man Floyd did get knocked out i saw his goves touch the floor. That was mayweather in his prime, getting troubled by a south paw the speedy zab judah.

It was an entertaining fight especially in round 10 with the commotion in the ring lol

I think if Zab had more stamina and endurace he would have been able to beat mayweather but he wasted alot of his energy at the start, winded out in the 8-10 rounds and started to work hard again in the last rounds.

Only one to floor mayweather and give him problem, so the question is is floyd better now which i doubt a little smarter but if manny does something similar but with his style to it he will win the fight easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkbJ0f1T_2I

 :headbang:
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on March 02, 2015, 11:08:43 pm
mosley rocked pbf in round 2 i think.. i remember his glove touching.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 03, 2015, 01:49:50 pm
mosley rocked pbf in round 2 i think.. i remember his glove touching.

You have a good memory, I saw the fight, mosley did rock him but i didn't see myweather's glove touch the ground, the thing i like about the judah fight is it is speed vs speed and judah was the faster one.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 03, 2015, 01:55:28 pm
what did castillo do differently, that people always refer to this fight that gave mayweather the most problems.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 07, 2015, 08:55:41 am
Manny pacquiao training day 4 - He looks amazingly fast, which what he needs more than power, which he naturally has to defeat mayweather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfED2iwSnOc

Mayweather is also training like usually does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bgrDgUt-Q
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on March 07, 2015, 01:09:32 pm
what did castillo do differently, that people always refer to this fight that gave mayweather the most problems.

i forget, i'll have to rewatch it. i remember it being very close tho, the first fight.



Manny pacquiao training day 4 - He looks amazingly fast, which what he needs more than power, which he naturally has to defeat mayweather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfED2iwSnOc

Mayweather is also training like usually does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bgrDgUt-Q

niice!@!

mayweather all day.. I love how he hits the heavy bag, slow as fuck. I have my ideas as to why he does it but i'd eventually like to know for sure, hardly anyone hits a heavy bag like he does. You never see him going nuts at the heavy bag.

pac loves to go nuts at the heavy bag, without bringing his hands back defensively.. ;f
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 07, 2015, 05:34:08 pm
what did castillo do differently, that people always refer to this fight that gave mayweather the most problems.

i forget, i'll have to rewatch it. i remember it being very close tho, the first fight.



Manny pacquiao training day 4 - He looks amazingly fast, which what he needs more than power, which he naturally has to defeat mayweather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfED2iwSnOc

Mayweather is also training like usually does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bgrDgUt-Q

niice!@!

mayweather all day.. I love how he hits the heavy bag, slow as fuck. I have my ideas as to why he does it but i'd eventually like to know for sure, hardly anyone hits a heavy bag like he does. You never see him going nuts at the heavy bag.

pac loves to go nuts at the heavy bag, without bringing his hands back defensively.. ;f

Exactly what i was thinking why he hits it slow but my idea is that probably he is doing it not for power but for form and combination practice and maybe doesn't want to risk injuring his hands ...
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Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on March 07, 2015, 08:32:02 pm
what did castillo do differently, that people always refer to this fight that gave mayweather the most problems.

i forget, i'll have to rewatch it. i remember it being very close tho, the first fight.



Manny pacquiao training day 4 - He looks amazingly fast, which what he needs more than power, which he naturally has to defeat mayweather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfED2iwSnOc

Mayweather is also training like usually does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bgrDgUt-Q

niice!@!

mayweather all day.. I love how he hits the heavy bag, slow as fuck. I have my ideas as to why he does it but i'd eventually like to know for sure, hardly anyone hits a heavy bag like he does. You never see him going nuts at the heavy bag.

pac loves to go nuts at the heavy bag, without bringing his hands back defensively.. ;f

Exactly what i was thinking why he hits it slow but my idea is that probably he is doing it not for power but for form and combination practice and maybe doesn't want to risk injuring his hands ...
 :trollface:

ya
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: LBSS on March 09, 2015, 11:50:39 am
as a non-boxing fan i have to say, this may be the first time i ever PPV a fight. i don't care that they're both old and past their prime. go pacquiao.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on March 10, 2015, 09:34:00 am
as a non-boxing fan i have to say, this may be the first time i ever PPV a fight. i don't care that they're both old and past their prime. go pacquiao.

nice! i'm def ordering it. I've ordered the last 6+ floyd ppv's though 8|

IMO, they are both barely past their prime though.

pbf has been in top form for quite a while, schooling young fighters like maidana/canelo etc. PBF's reflexes are still sooo fast. His counters and lead shots are blazing. He just lacks that KO power at 147.

Pac has been up and down his whole career. He was much more wreckless when he was 'younger' and he suffered some serious damage in fights, including his 4th fight KO vs marquez. He's been cautious in his recent fights but his speed/conditioning/skill is still there.

pC!
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: ChrisM on March 11, 2015, 01:30:12 pm
So I dont watch a ton of boxing but I was watching first take this morning on espn and they had Manny on there as a guest. In one part he stated he wasn't worried about this fight as much as others and SAS lost his damn mind (which is always a trip) but I have to agree withh Manny...PBF ISN'T a "scary" fighter, he lacks KO power butnis a masterful defensive boxer. He out points guys, how is that scary?  Im rhinking what Manny meant was hes not scared of PBF KO'ing him, his punches dont scare him. I kinda got the vibe we're going to see the 'old' Manny, kinda reckless and willing to take some chances. Because lets be real, I don't see Floyd KOing Manny, only way he wins is by decision IMO.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 11, 2015, 04:24:14 pm
So I dont watch a ton of boxing but I was watching first take this morning on espn and they had Manny on there as a guest. In one part he stated he wasn't worried about this fight as much as others and SAS lost his damn mind (which is always a trip) but I have to agree withh Manny...PBF ISN'T a "scary" fighter, he lacks KO power butnis a masterful defensive boxer. He out points guys, how is that scary?  Im rhinking what Manny meant was hes not scared of PBF KO'ing him, his punches dont scare him. I kinda got the vibe we're going to see the 'old' Manny, kinda reckless and willing to take some chances. Because lets be real, I don't see Floyd KOing Manny, only way he wins is by decision IMO.

Thoughts?

I hope it is the old manny, but i don't think he will be reckless. Floyd may not have KO power, but if you are reckless and just come forward and get countered, the countering punch does not have to be powerfull to knock him out if pacquiao comes at a fast speed in one direction and a punch of medium power like mayweather's but probably a little harder, would have a devestating affect.

So mayweather would still have to be cautious but will have to learn when to identify opportunities to go reckless.

But I don't think recklessness will defeat mayweather's slick movement and defence especially shoulder roll. he will need smart aggressiveness and place his shots correctly and will get the ko.

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 11, 2015, 09:10:15 pm
Finally they both meet face to face at the press conference. Just watched the entire conference.
A lot of tactical sneaky remarks from both side.

Can't wait till the weigh in and then the fight it self just massively awesome.
don't know about the undercards yet.

but one thing that suprised me was that leonard ellerbe was back as ceo, i thought floyd got rid of him.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on March 14, 2015, 08:32:25 pm
So I dont watch a ton of boxing but I was watching first take this morning on espn and they had Manny on there as a guest. In one part he stated he wasn't worried about this fight as much as others and SAS lost his damn mind (which is always a trip) but I have to agree withh Manny...PBF ISN'T a "scary" fighter, he lacks KO power butnis a masterful defensive boxer. He out points guys, how is that scary?  Im rhinking what Manny meant was hes not scared of PBF KO'ing him, his punches dont scare him. I kinda got the vibe we're going to see the 'old' Manny, kinda reckless and willing to take some chances. Because lets be real, I don't see Floyd KOing Manny, only way he wins is by decision IMO.

Thoughts?

But this is what can happen if you get too aggressive and aren't worried about getting KO'd by PBF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_juNg4i61g

Wrecked ^^ You see PBF trying to time him with that punch early on in the round? He basically figured hatton out at that point and knew exactly what to do to end him.

If pac is sloppy and comes in wreckless, it would only be a matter of time before mayweather catches him lethal. Sneaky, fast, right on the button counters don't need lots of power, like seifullaah said.

pc
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on March 15, 2015, 02:32:24 pm
So I dont watch a ton of boxing but I was watching first take this morning on espn and they had Manny on there as a guest. In one part he stated he wasn't worried about this fight as much as others and SAS lost his damn mind (which is always a trip) but I have to agree withh Manny...PBF ISN'T a "scary" fighter, he lacks KO power butnis a masterful defensive boxer. He out points guys, how is that scary?  Im rhinking what Manny meant was hes not scared of PBF KO'ing him, his punches dont scare him. I kinda got the vibe we're going to see the 'old' Manny, kinda reckless and willing to take some chances. Because lets be real, I don't see Floyd KOing Manny, only way he wins is by decision IMO.

Thoughts?

But this is what can happen if you get too aggressive and aren't worried about getting KO'd by PBF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_juNg4i61g

Wrecked ^^ You see PBF trying to time him with that punch early on in the round? He basically figured hatton out at that point and knew exactly what to do to end him.

If pac is sloppy and comes in wreckless, it would only be a matter of time before mayweather catches him lethal. Sneaky, fast, right on the button counters don't need lots of power, like seifullaah said.

pc

lol at the video, first the ref stopped the fight and looks at ricky fall over and shows the body language see and then the corner throws the towel in lmao
that is so funny.

exactly my point and it wasn't a straight on countering against the movement like marquez, he actually used the left to his jaw while coming forward instead of a right forward, which shows the power from a lot of different punches affect.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: LBSS on April 30, 2015, 06:40:52 pm
interesting article about mayweather and his place in history: http://deadspin.com/why-floyd-mayweather-is-the-last-of-a-kind-1700672546
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on May 02, 2015, 03:32:15 am
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one thing not shown, pac's face.. it's been torn up pretty bad, especially in the marquez fights.

still, nice comparison, if accurate. I kind of feel it isn't 100% though :D

power definitely in pac's favor.. but will he be able to connect? and will he not get countered with some serious shots?

pbf all day.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 02, 2015, 08:41:50 am
(http://www.billionairesaustralia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/after-facing.jpg)

one thing not shown, pac's face.. it's been torn up pretty bad, especially in the marquez fights.

still, nice comparison, if accurate. I kind of feel it isn't 100% though :D

power definitely in pac's favor.. but will he be able to connect? and will he not get countered with some serious shots?

pbf all day.

I think pacquiao will be cautious enough to avoid being countered and can identify the oportunity to go aggressive and knock floyd out.
pacman all day

another comparison between oscar and pacquiao is they both go to chat shows like jimmy kimmel and late knight with jay leno or something like this. it was their good luck charms.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: LBSS on May 03, 2015, 01:44:04 am
so it was money in a convincing win. go figure.

odds are this will be the last time i give a shit what happens in a boxing match.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 03, 2015, 01:01:16 pm
 :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm:

So dissapointed with this match, why is it that whenever someone is infront of floyd they inactive, like manny,  :raging:  :ffffffuuuuuu: i didn't see anything good from pacquiao who had the nerve to think he actually won, so dissapointed with manny.

I was expecting a fast start but didn't see it but floyd used every arsenal he had, the counter which he used soo effectively, especially when manny he likes to wait or rest or try to time floyd just punches him out of it, it was a bad version of maidana vs floyd.

but mayweather also ran alot and holded a lot to keep safe from the power attack and also so the clottey clamshell defence.

floyd does it again. excited at the beginning dissapointed in round 3.

what happened to the cursing and pointing from pacquaio's mother that would have probably helped win one more round lol
but no knockouts even made this even further more dissapointing.

roach was correct in floyd sr being rubbish in the corner, he was giving bad advice, i think he wanted to show off and give unuseful advice, but as roach said as well floyd could do it on his own.

now they both made the same comment thinking they won but I don't know about the injured shoulder what bad timing
who else will they fight.

I liked the lomachenko fight, he is my king of fighter I like the way he bounces and gets in to the side and other side lands combos and moves out and in, just so brilliant.
the santa cruz fight was one sided lol but the other guy looked dazed as soon as he stepped in like he was high or something.

i need to see floyd get knocked down before he retires.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: Raptor on May 03, 2015, 04:44:49 pm
Maybe I don't know boxing, but how the heck was this a "convincing win by unanimous decision". If it were after me, Manny should've won. More aggressive, more punches hit their target, had the control of the fight etc.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: ChrisM on May 03, 2015, 06:13:52 pm
Did you look at the punch counts Raptor? PBF threw more punches more accurately. And he controlled the ring more than Manny, he went where he wanted for most of the fight.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 03, 2015, 06:53:06 pm
Maybe I don't know boxing, but how the heck was this a "convincing win by unanimous decision". If it were after me, Manny should've won. More aggressive, more punches hit their target, had the control of the fight etc.

convincing is an understatement, he cleaned the floor with manny lol
seriously speaking manny was a disappointment don't know how much to believe about the shoulder but he won convincingly no matter what tactics he used

but it seems all of mayweather's opponents have this paralysis when facing mayweather they stand infront for too long not doing anything because he is soo tricky to time and get in so he had to just jump in and hope for the best lol
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: vag on May 05, 2015, 06:08:01 am
Ready for the memes?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCVhyrgWSBY


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Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 06, 2015, 04:31:40 pm
I am starting to see a lot of people that think pacquiao won.

these people besides pacquiao are shane mosley, evander holyfield.
I felt pacquiao was the most active but couldn't land much of his punches while mayweather was less active and relied on his countering to win the fight.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: vag on May 07, 2015, 03:53:27 am
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Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: Raptor on May 07, 2015, 05:49:07 am
What fight? I only saw some chickering around.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: LBSS on September 10, 2015, 10:48:43 am
http://deadspin.com/report-floyd-mayweather-received-banned-iv-before-pacq-1729780175?hipra_discussion_redesign=on&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.2

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The day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather took two intravenous infusions totaling 750 milliliters. The bags contained mixtures of saline and vitamins, but their contents are irrelevant: any IVs over 50 mL are strictly banned.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on September 10, 2015, 02:28:37 pm
http://deadspin.com/report-floyd-mayweather-received-banned-iv-before-pacq-1729780175?hipra_discussion_redesign=on&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.2

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The day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather took two intravenous infusions totaling 750 milliliters. The bags contained mixtures of saline and vitamins, but their contents are irrelevant: any IVs over 50 mL are strictly banned.

I also read about this, I hope floyd didn't take any banned substances. He himself was pushing random drug testing.
but it may the clutching of straws, but I hope if it causes a rematch then I am all for it, the strict scrutinising and the shaking of the head in dissapointment lol.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on September 10, 2015, 04:44:32 pm
http://deadspin.com/report-floyd-mayweather-received-banned-iv-before-pacq-1729780175?hipra_discussion_redesign=on&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.2

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The day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather took two intravenous infusions totaling 750 milliliters. The bags contained mixtures of saline and vitamins, but their contents are irrelevant: any IVs over 50 mL are strictly banned.

i was actually going to post that article:

https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

scary stuff..

i always think of floyd being "the one who got USADA into boxing" as a good thing ... him calling for stricter testing, being the one who demands it every fight; always thought that was honorable. if he's been doping... :/ :(
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on December 08, 2015, 04:29:31 pm
I actually enjoyed the match in slow then actual fast version, as I see the punches landed by pacquiao, mayweather with his clever pot shots and pacquiao is trying to time his punches when mayweather is in the corner but mayweather just jabs just to get his concentration off lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlZrkYxQOe4
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on December 08, 2015, 04:53:57 pm
ya mayweather is so good on the ropes. loved some of the stuff he did in round 6, including his counter uppercut and his taunting on the ropes. it was hard for pac to let his hands go, mayweather does that to you. you can see pac hesitating. If pac wanted to beat pbf he'd have to not care about getting ko'd and put serious pressure on pbf.. kind of like maidana did in maidana v pbf 1, but pac has more hand speed and better accuracy so he could have eventually inflicted some damage. If you have a style like pac's, you just can't be too cautious vs pbf because he'll make it his fight and pick you apart.

nice highlight vid with the slow mos.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: fast does lie on May 29, 2017, 09:57:21 pm
Tyson felt that Pacquiao won it, but I dunno.  Mayweather was just trying to collect the W and paycheck.....
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on May 30, 2017, 01:40:43 am
dno, i recall PBF schooling pac. Pac couldn't touch him & was getting countered all day.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 30, 2017, 08:38:01 am
Was pacquiao a disapointment in this match like clottey was in his match against pacquiao?

Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on May 30, 2017, 05:43:22 pm
Was pacquiao a disapointment in this match like clottey was in his match against pacquiao?

nah, Clottey was the ultimate disappointment vs pac.. That night, he could have shocked the world IMHO.

pac was also potentially hurt vs PBF .. that rotator cuff injury. I mean, he was throwing fast/hard bombs in the fight, can't see how his rotator was wrecked, seems impossible given the kind of punches he threw.

pac/pbf was a disappointment for other reasons .. i mean it pretty much went how I expected it to go.. It was hyped as some mega-fight that would be packed with action, but given PBF's ability to neutralize offensive fighters like PAC, they gave people the wrong expectations. Pac had no chance vs PBF's genius defense/speed. PBF is the Cobra tamer.. might be boring to lots of fans, but it's impenetrable & no one has really figured out how to crack it.. maybe Maidana a little bit in the first fight, but he came in at like 175 lb and mugged PBF.. That's definitely a good strategy. Notice how he came in lighter in the second fight & tried to actually box? Absolutely 0 chance.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on May 31, 2017, 07:44:15 am
Was pacquiao a disapointment in this match like clottey was in his match against pacquiao?

nah, Clottey was the ultimate disappointment vs pac.. That night, he could have shocked the world IMHO.


Was it the constant having his guard up throughout the entire fight? What do you think would have happened if clottey faced mayweather instead of pacquiao at that time?

Clottey's previous fight was against zab judah and miguel cotto and he was more active then, so if he did that it would have been better in the pac fight. But IMHO I don't see any thing in his previous fights that would make it difficult for pacquiao if he was more active, that would put him more in trouble alot being hit from different angles, fighters when they fought pacquiao know his power and go defensive and when they go toe to toe they lose unless he is like marquez or barrerra who don't mind the hits to the face then it would have been just more entertaining but pacquiao's foot work would cause difficulty for clottey.

Clottey's best performance was against margarito but after losing that fight, he had to adopt a different tactic, maybe become more defensive and box more and smart aggression.

It's like to beat mayweather don't box him but go aggressive but to beat pacquiao don't go aggressive but box him and that's what made the pacquaio vs mayweather fight sooo good, they both were each other's weakness. But pacquiao lost that aggressiveness after being ko'd and losing that fire and started to adopt a more boxing aggresive style which is bad against mayweather. If pacquiao who fought cotto and right after fought mayweather, it would have been even more so exciting and more explosive then this current mess of a fight that we saw.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on June 02, 2017, 05:37:40 pm
Was pacquiao a disapointment in this match like clottey was in his match against pacquiao?

nah, Clottey was the ultimate disappointment vs pac.. That night, he could have shocked the world IMHO.


Was it the constant having his guard up throughout the entire fight? What do you think would have happened if clottey faced mayweather instead of pacquiao at that time?

Clottey's previous fight was against zab judah and miguel cotto and he was more active then, so if he did that it would have been better in the pac fight. But IMHO I don't see any thing in his previous fights that would make it difficult for pacquiao if he was more active, that would put him more in trouble alot being hit from different angles, fighters when they fought pacquiao know his power and go defensive and when they go toe to toe they lose unless he is like marquez or barrerra who don't mind the hits to the face then it would have been just more entertaining but pacquiao's foot work would cause difficulty for clottey.

Clottey's best performance was against margarito but after losing that fight, he had to adopt a different tactic, maybe become more defensive and box more and smart aggression.

It's like to beat mayweather don't box him but go aggressive but to beat pacquiao don't go aggressive but box him and that's what made the pacquaio vs mayweather fight sooo good, they both were each other's weakness. But pacquiao lost that aggressiveness after being ko'd and losing that fire and started to adopt a more boxing aggresive style which is bad against mayweather. If pacquiao who fought cotto and right after fought mayweather, it would have been even more so exciting and more explosive then this current mess of a fight that we saw.

I think Clottey had the formula THAT NIGHT, if he were to open up his offense more.. I don't think he would have won in a rematch. But I think he could have potentially stolen that fight on the cards, had he fired more shots from behind his impenetrable defense.

When you go into a full shell like that, it's fairly easy to block most fighter's offense.. but even Pac has traditionally been able to penetrate that. He couldn't penetrate it AT ALL that night. So in theory, if Clottey were to have fired off his decent jab more from behind that shell, and followed it up occasionally with power shots, I think he could have made it a very interesting fight... but only for that fight, not a rematch.

So I think Clottey just had a *chance* to steal a decision that night. Stealing a decision can still be impressive, especially given Clottey had no real chance according to anyone.

Clottey is really good at throwing shots out of a full shell like that.. not many people are. That's a very difficult way to box. So he just really had to accept some more risk, which is easier said than done. I mean technically Pac's speed froze him.. So Pac deserves the credit for making Clottey useless.

Clottey had huge potential.. That Pac fight kind of ruined him because people saw him play it extremely safe in a fight against next level competition.




As for Pac vs PBF, I really don't think there's any version of Pac which can beat PBF. Pac is too small. The only way to beat PBF is to overpower him with strength/size, and even then it's almost impossible -> PBF is too fast.. He's a cobra charmer like I always say. The more dangerous you are, the easier it is for him to tame you.. because everyone who is so dangerous, is not used to not being able to touch their target at all.. PBF is just playing that flute, shutting down your ability to box properly. Your only chance is to rough him up and make it a very dirty fight.. But you need to be "bigger".. Pac is just too small for that IMHO.. Pac could NEVER rough up Floyd.

I really wanted to see GGG / PBF.. I still think PBF wins that. GGG would get tamed like everyone before him IMHO.

*Maybe* Anthony Joshua could beat floyd..... lmao.

Maybe i'm biased but I think Floyd is one of the greatest BOXING geniuses of all time. He isn't the most exciting fighter in the 147+ weight class, but he was absolutely destroying people in lighter weight classes.. He has brittle hands and knows who he is as a fighter, he never tries to be something he's not ... ie, like Berto trying to fight like Floyd using a philly shell and getting massacred. Most fighters seem to "change", whether it's the crowd influencing it, anger, pre-hype fight, wanting to prove something, etc.. There's subtle or large changes between fights. Floyd used the same formula to defeat "everyone". It's Floyd's defensive genius that makes him undecryptable. He's perfected his style. Floyd imitators usually get wrecked.

Zab Judah is arguably faster than Floyd, and had a few good rounds.. Floyd figured him out and made him useless.

Castillo is the only one to ever really "box" floyd and give him a real challenge IMHO.. but Floyd killed him in the rematch.

Floyd played with DLH also .. Seemed like he just wanted a massive rematch, but no one wanted to see it, so that backfired. lmao.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on June 02, 2017, 06:05:21 pm
just felt like re-watching one of my favorite floyd performances. i've posted it several times on this site. This is basically NEO from the MATRIX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R3z91fxEcI

Most brutal non-KO beatdown i've ever seen..

Floyd's patience is absolutely astonishing. This is such an incredible performance IMHO. Next level shit. Also a key thing to note: they mention he's wearing gloves considered to be "pillows" to protect his hands. Floyd rarely wore "dangerous gloves" like most fighter's do, he always went for the safer/extra padding gloves @ 147 & up. Another thing to consider..

That performance against Gatti is a damn "masterpiece". The speed is on another level. The counters are on another level. The patience is on another level. The relaxed, non-wasted movement is on another level.

Mindblowing...... IMHO.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on June 03, 2017, 08:11:13 am
just felt like re-watching one of my favorite floyd performances. i've posted it several times on this site. This is basically NEO from the MATRIX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R3z91fxEcI

Most brutal non-KO beatdown i've ever seen..

Floyd's patience is absolutely astonishing. This is such an incredible performance IMHO. Next level shit. Also a key thing to note: they mention he's wearing gloves considered to be "pillows" to protect his hands. Floyd rarely wore "dangerous gloves" like most fighter's do, he always went for the safer/extra padding gloves @ 147 & up. Another thing to consider..

That performance against Gatti is a damn "masterpiece". The speed is on another level. The counters are on another level. The patience is on another level. The relaxed, non-wasted movement is on another level.

Mindblowing...... IMHO.

lol at the entrance of floyd. Also back then they used to show the judges faces but now they don't.
omg the first round the ref drama, floyd just took advantage, gatti should have defended himself instead look at the ref like ortiz did.
damn the speed and the counters of floyd. Floyd hands are so fast he can punch widthraw and come back with the punch again and do multiple times.
by round 4 gatti is already frustrated and has lost hopes of winning during the round. damn the finish blows to the body.

Do you think floyd lost to castillo in the first fight. one thing floyd does too annoy his opponents in the ring is either use elbow or holding or any tactics repeatedly.
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: adarqui on June 03, 2017, 08:16:47 am
just felt like re-watching one of my favorite floyd performances. i've posted it several times on this site. This is basically NEO from the MATRIX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R3z91fxEcI

Most brutal non-KO beatdown i've ever seen..

Floyd's patience is absolutely astonishing. This is such an incredible performance IMHO. Next level shit. Also a key thing to note: they mention he's wearing gloves considered to be "pillows" to protect his hands. Floyd rarely wore "dangerous gloves" like most fighter's do, he always went for the safer/extra padding gloves @ 147 & up. Another thing to consider..

That performance against Gatti is a damn "masterpiece". The speed is on another level. The counters are on another level. The patience is on another level. The relaxed, non-wasted movement is on another level.

Mindblowing...... IMHO.

lol at the entrance of floyd. Also back then they used to show the judges faces but now they don't.
omg the first round the ref drama, floyd just took advantage, gatti should have defended himself instead look at the ref like ortiz did.
damn the speed and the counters of floyd. Floyd hands are so fast he can punch widthraw and come back with the punch again and do multiple times.
by round 4 gatti is already frustrated and has lost hopes of winning during the round. damn the finish blows to the body.

Do you think floyd lost to castillo in the first fight. one thing floyd does too annoy his opponents in the ring is either use elbow or holding or any tactics repeatedly.

i'll have to rewatch that fight.. I remember it was extremely close. That's his most controversial fight IIRC.

maybe i'll do that later :D
Title: Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao - May 2, 2015
Post by: seifullaah73 on June 03, 2017, 10:24:45 am
I just watched the fight. So much went on. Point deduction but castillo was the boxer aggressor and that was effective. But I think mayweather was on a learning curve.

I felt castillo won this fight too, 7-5 if not 8-4 which wouldn't be a stretch, he won most of the last few rounds.

OMG how did the judges have it so far ahead for mayweather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKCTWc3xFiw