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Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« on: August 23, 2017, 09:13:24 am »
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Let's also discuss the gennady golovkin and canelo alvarez clash, you can see the difference in atmosphere between the two, one is more colourful and just antics and circus, while this is a serious boxing match.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2017, 11:31:54 am »
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GGG's power on that mitt/bag was nasty, but those shots were so ugly. Canelo could counter that all day. Canelo looks like the "legit boxer" that's for sure, but I wouldn't expect anything different. Canelo has the skills, but can he handle that power? That's what makes this fight so interesting. TBH, I think he can outbox GGG and win.

going to be a hell of a fight.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 03:07:57 pm »
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andddddd back to reality.

A real mega fight is brewing… For boxing fans, this is a serious & long anticipated fight. Golovkin has the size & power advantage, and serious boxing skill. Canelo has serious power, but far more experience & IMHO more boxing skill than GGG. Both fighters have incredible heart & legit chins. Can’t wait. For MMA fans who aren’t huge boxing fans, this is probably a fight you’ll want to watch. It’s going to be a war fought at pretty much the highest level of boxing skill.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdGoqt_Wv4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdGoqt_Wv4</a>

CANELO VS GGG. WAR.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2017, 07:57:31 am »
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andddddd back to reality.

A real mega fight is brewing… For boxing fans, this is a serious & long anticipated fight. Golovkin has the size & power advantage, and serious boxing skill. Canelo has serious power, but far more experience & IMHO more boxing skill than GGG. Both fighters have incredible heart & legit chins. Can’t wait. For MMA fans who aren’t huge boxing fans, this is probably a fight you’ll want to watch. It’s going to be a war fought at pretty much the highest level of boxing skill.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdGoqt_Wv4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdGoqt_Wv4</a>

CANELO VS GGG. WAR.

Nice, I didn't know they aired the 24/7 episodes yet. They really help in hyping the fight and showing you where the fighters are.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2017, 05:10:07 pm »
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Mayweather vs mcgregor was promoted to be an exciting entertaining exhibition match, which drew in record breaking numbers and the main reason being conor who is a major drawing power to bring people then you have mayweather who is has a very big major drawing power and the combination of these two and the excellent/smart way they promoted this fight that the whole world was talking about it, even non boxing fans were talking about was the secret to the success. Also mayweather saying he will come forward and guaranteed a knockout increases the chance of the success of this fight in terms of money generated and viewers.

With regards to canelo vs golovkin I am skeptical about the promotion being as good, tmt and conor and ufc promoters do a heck of a job, compared to golden boy and k2 promotions. Also the drawing power of these 2, canelo has a large mexican based drawing power and also some of the boxing enthusiasts and fans of canelo and with golovkin not more of a draw than canelo but can bring in the fans and the boxing enthusiast, but because they are restricted to being known to the boxing world and maybe some more outside, I really doubt it will do as well even the pac-may fight, even though they promise more action I just really doubt it will do as good as mayweather vs canelo. Oscar's plan to marinate and let it wait like may-pac was really a rubbish idea and would never work, as the may-pac left a bad taste and cannot wait much longer for other fights.

Fight success depend a lot on the ppv success in terms of viewers and in that way I hope it does well but the mcgregor vs mayweather may have drained them or maybe I am wrong, I hope I am.

I wish it does do record breaking numbers but I am very skeptical but I can be sure of one thing, a great fight.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2017, 01:41:01 pm »
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I see 2 factors to this fight. 1 being GGGs age because he looked almost human in his last bout with Daniels. 2 being if going up in weight slows Canelo at all since hes a predominantly counter puncher. Either way this is going to be a great fight considering the style clash. My heart says GGG but like Adarq said, Canelo is a boxers boxer.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2017, 03:03:20 pm »
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I see 2 factors to this fight. 1 being GGGs age because he looked almost human in his last bout with Daniels. 2 being if going up in weight slows Canelo at all since hes a predominantly counter puncher. Either way this is going to be a great fight considering the style clash. My heart says GGG but like Adarq said, Canelo is a boxers boxer.

yea Jacobs is legit though. I think Canelo looked more human against Jacobs more so because Jacobs is enormous, has serious power, and can really box. But that size/strength won't be there with Canelo .. However, Canelo's boxing skills are something GGG hasn't seen in a long time. He had problems with Brook's boxing offensive ability but wasn't afraid of Brook's power - and Brook's defensive boxing ability is nowhere near Canelo's.

really can't wait for this.

As of right now, i'm going Canelo by UD 12. I think Canelo's cajones (sp?) in his career will also be the difference maker, think about what this "kid" has done already in his career, going up against a prime Floyd & such. Never backed down from a challenge. I think he's learned more in his career than GGG has. Just think that'll be the advantage that gives him the edge.

Also, I don't think Canelo will slow any due to weight gain. I think he'll look crazy sharp at 154. He's been filling in more over time, probably hard for him to get to 147 these days anyway.

Love both fighters, but got a special respect for Canelo because of the opposition he's faced.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 06:05:19 pm »
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I see 2 factors to this fight. 1 being GGGs age because he looked almost human in his last bout with Daniels. 2 being if going up in weight slows Canelo at all since hes a predominantly counter puncher. Either way this is going to be a great fight considering the style clash. My heart says GGG but like Adarq said, Canelo is a boxers boxer.

yea Jacobs is legit though. I think Canelo looked more human against Jacobs more so because Jacobs is enormous, has serious power, and can really box. But that size/strength won't be there with Canelo .. However, Canelo's boxing skills are something GGG hasn't seen in a long time. He had problems with Brook's boxing offensive ability but wasn't afraid of Brook's power - and Brook's defensive boxing ability is nowhere near Canelo's.

really can't wait for this.

As of right now, i'm going Canelo by UD 12. I think Canelo's cajones (sp?) in his career will also be the difference maker, think about what this "kid" has done already in his career, going up against a prime Floyd & such. Never backed down from a challenge. I think he's learned more in his career than GGG has. Just think that'll be the advantage that gives him the edge.

Also, I don't think Canelo will slow any due to weight gain. I think he'll look crazy sharp at 154. He's been filling in more over time, probably hard for him to get to 147 these days anyway.

Love both fighters, but got a special respect for Canelo because of the opposition he's faced.

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That is true, even though jacobs did last to such an extent some thought he won, I didn't but to survive in there shows GGG is human, but it's also because as you mentioned jacobs has power and good boxing ability and a big middleweight if not natural, which Canelo isn't and canelo has power but according to his fight with Julio cesar and didn't do much damage except for damaging julio because of his inactivity and poor defence. I don't think he was able to bring that power into the middleweight, regardless of what he did to amir khan who is a welterweight. So you have to consider that too, that canelo might not bring the power up and what you have left is a power puncher boxer vs a quick counter puncher boxer. Also ggg has a better chin and can possibly endure more than julio.

So what I think will happen is that it will probably be close either ggg ends it via tko near the 8th-10th round or UD to canelo, because canelo is slick and can move and that will make it hard for ggg.

So GGG will have to try and land some serious power shots early to the body to slow him down than finish him off by tko or ggg winning by 12UD.

My Prediction is (really difficult) GGG TKO Round 10  :ninja:

Also what you said about canelo's opposition, I think this is down side to when boxer's dominate, it scares people away from fighting them and therefore getting less exposure as for Canelo gained more exposure and his fight with floyd helped him with his exposure.

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Cajones means drawers lol.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2017, 01:27:43 pm »
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Countdown to gennady golovkin vs saul canelo alvarez. But it's not really the countdown which they usually show on the day of the fight.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2017, 07:15:15 pm »
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 08:09:31 pm »
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canelo UD 12.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 04:09:41 am »
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Can't believe that was a draw...
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 09:20:07 am »
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what a fight.  :headbang: :wowthatwasnutswtf:

I can actually see it being a draw. but 118-110 for either fighter is just way off, 114-114 could be possible, alot of those rounds were very close.

I had GGG, 116-112 or 115-113 .. it was real close IMHO. Besides that, if we re-watch just the "highlights", I imagine Canelo will look more impressive. He was slipping and countering hard, all night. He looked really good.

Canelo looked tight pretty much the entire fight, surprised he could even stand up in the last few rounds. He moved way too much, that's not normal for him. By the end he was really gassed. Pretty much the entire fight he was shaking his arms out. So given all of that, incredible how effective he was against GGG with his counters and slips. He should have stood his ground more; he did great when he just stayed in there and didn't back up, he's got much better boxing skills.

I think Canelo wins the rematch .. I don't see GGG improving much in the second fight. I do see Canelo standing his ground more and outboxing GGG toe-to-toe. He just needs to watch the fight himself and he'll realize, he doesn't need to move as much & tire himself out adopting a style he's not comfortable with.

I personally was not too impressed with GGG. I thought Canelo neutralized him really well. GGG rarely could throw his power, he missed Canelo by a wide margin, so many times. I was impressed with GGG's heart though, honestly at the end of the fight he looked even more gassed than Canelo but he just guts through it and keeps coming forward. In the corner he was sucking so much wind, looked wrecked.. but man so much heart to just battle through all of that and keep coming at Canelo non-stop.

After watching it, i'm more confident that Canelo wins in the second fight, than I was that he'd win in the first.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 03:59:53 pm »
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something I posted in a t-nation thread:

Well that was a lovely scrap.... What a sick fight.

I came away with different take-aways than some of the posts in this thread:
- Canelo's boxing skill is superior to GGG's. He was slipping GGG's punches all night, making him miss by a mile on many occasions. His counters were so sharp. He had GGG frozen for a good portion of the fight, GGG just couldn't unleash his power because he was missing too much & was cautious about what was coming back.
- Canelo's body work is absolutely beautiful. GGG abandoned his body work, for the most part.
- Canelo was way too tight in this fight. He looked nervous from the onset. He was shaking his arms throughout the fight, just didn't look settled. Even with all that, he somehow was able to slip & counter beautifully. GGG looked so relaxed and confident from the onset.
- Canelo's "Floyd Impersonation" probably tired him out even more-so. Just way too much backward movement, dancing around the ring. That's not his style, and I don't think it served his stamina well in this fight.
- GGG's heart is incredible. Towards the end of the fight, between rounds, man was he sucking wind. He looked absolutely trashed in the corner. But once the bell rings, he just comes forward in terminator mode and pushes through it. He didn't let his foot off of the gas, even while being very visibly fatigued.
- GGG's power is incredible, but Canelo can take it. Canelo's power is solid, and GGG can take it as expected.
- In the rematch, GGG won't be able to make as much adjustments as Canelo. This is why, for the rematch, I personally feel more confident that Canelo will win a decisive decision, as long as Canelo stands his ground more and comes in with more confidence. If Canelo has stamina issues throughout the entire fight, GGG will win "again".
- GGG definitely won that fight, but not by much. I can see how that could be called a draw, but 118-110 for EITHER fighter is an absolute disgrace. That fight was very close. I personally had GGG winning 116-112 but that could have easily been 115-113, which again is close to draw status.

I've seen some highlight videos posted so far, and in my opinion, Canelo has the majority of the highlights: slips, counters, combos, movement, all in Canelo's favor. His boxing is so damn sharp it's really impressive. GGG is a true warrior with freak power, but he's like an "old dog" at this point. I don't see him acquiring some of these nuanced skills like Canelo has done over the years. Canelo adopted TOO MUCH of a "Floyd style" in this fight.

IMHO, If Canelo stands his ground more in the rematch, I think he can really school GGG. When Canelo did stand his ground, he got the better of the exchanges. I have no problem with him backing up, but he needs to do it more "controlled" and waste less energy moving back explosively. He also needs to do less of it in general, and just stand in the pocket slipping & countering which he proved he can do against GGG.  If he makes those adjustments, which I think he will because he's that caliber of fighter, the rematch should go his way.

Also if anyone remembers, he stood between rounds in his last (few?) fights. I think he's been trying to improve/address some stamina issues in anticipation of a fight like this. IMHO, he was struggling for most of the fight. To me, you could see him trying to relax, but he just couldn't relax on the level he wanted. I think confidence and nerves could have alot to do with it, or maybe it has more to do with the weight gain, since he looked alot more relaxed when he fought at true welter. This is something they need to try and fix, fast. I don't think it's as simple as more road work/conditioning, there's some other stuff going on there. I mean he's been in so many 12 round fights, massive title fights, etc - at this point he should look way more comfortable throughout the first 3 quarters of a fight like this. The "arm shaking" is a big sign to me.. You don't do it as much as he did it, if you're not feeling very tight. He did lots of subtle shaking of his arms, and some overt ones as well. As a counter example, I can't even think of the last time I saw Floyd shake his arms in a fight.. Floyd's 12 round stamina is absolute god-mode. But Floyd ALWAYS fights his own fight. He doesn't switch it up like Canelo did, and fight with a different style. He just goes out and does exactly what he always does, and he's completely comfortable doing it, no matter the work rate of his opponent.

Anyway, SICK FIGHT.

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2017, 06:42:08 am »
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Wow, such a good fight. I disagree with it being a draw I had it 8-4. But some rounds were close and because of that judge made it a draw. But to me I didn't see it draw, maybe 7-5. But wtf is 118-110 to canelo is just BS.

A draw is good in terms we get to see it again but then it would be unfair for golovkin who did enough to win it. I did watch hbo and some score they have I wouldn't I agree. I gave last round to golovkin but it was close.

It started off slow testing each other out, but golovkin was smart to rack in the points while testing him out. Then canelo started to pick up the pace and won round 2 and 3.

Now they both were at their peak and full prepared. But I could see golovkin was nervous because of the hype of canelo and most of the fights golovkin has been against had little hype and golovkin was comfortable to knock them out but once it started to get to people like kell brook, jacobs, who people felt would be challenge or have a few support he's confidence would go down slightly, more so with daniel jacobs, therefore he was cautious, so not really a decline, but also they are boxers making it hard for ggg who likes people who come forward who don't slick and slide. So in this fight ggg was nervous and anxious about canelo's counter punching abilities but later on started to relax, you could see ggg's corner trying to slow his heart beat down.

Now canelo I don't know why, but he had potential, but he relied too much on counter punching and because of that he would tend to move back, would jump in sometimes but most of the time would get himself backed into the ropes hoping to do something but he just was not successful and I think that was his game plan to counter punch and knock him out. So because of that canelo became less active and giving ggg confidence. GGG was flat footed but he also had good defense and showed good dodging. Then this was repeated for the rounds 4-9, round 10 they knew canelo was behind and told him to fight for his life in the last 3 rounds.

Last round was as was expected war and canelo showed his speed and combo, which was a close round, so I think it was golovkin, but not disappointed if they give it to canelo.

So I had it 8-4, no less than 7-5.

Now what canelo should have done, but didn't do because he was anxious of ggg's power. He should have jumped on him throw the combos like he did in a few early rounds and also did in the last round, ggg's power didn't hurt him when he landed, but because canelo relied too much on counter he became inactive instead he should have jumped on ggg and threw combos, that's where I had a feeling if it went full 12 rounds he would have won cos he can jump in land some combo's and jump out.

And what ggg should have done is land more to the body, in that fight he nearly landed almost nothing, 10-20 in the entire fight. If he had more it would have been more effective and canelo's counter punch should be a thing to worry because canelo did not carry his power to the middleweight as well as ggg being effective in defence and have a good chin.

This should have been an all out war as they both were capable of winning this way, no one could really hurt each other but because of being anxious they had to be defensive.

Also ggg landed very little power punches, he almost like just touches them or jabs them alot, I anticipate that when canelo is against the ropes with guard up, I would expect ggg to unleast but he would just tap his head, jab to the side and to the top and that's it move back.

So this makes me remeber mayweather pacquiao, just like this they expected fireworks, but they both anticipated each others power and boxing prowess and they decided to play it safe. But with this fight towards the end they became confident to combat and fight.

In their rematch, canelo needs to jump on ggg at the beginning and shouldn't worry about ggg hitting his as canelo is quick in and then out and ggg should be more confident unleash more, go to the body and land more power punches. But if the rematch goes 12 rounds I give it to canelo is he instead of backing up and trying to counter he should initiate the attack to get the points and get out, don't stand in the pocket longer then you need to, if he did this, then I am confident he would win the rematch easy.

But GGG should have won.
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