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Floyd Mayweather vs. Sergio Martinez: Possible Plan B if Manny Pacquiao fight falls through
Floyd Mayweather vs. Sergio Martinez?
While Mayweather insisted again to reporters in Las Vegas on Wednesday that he wants Manny Pacquiao next, and on May 5, the possibility of Mayweather-Martinez as a Plan B was acknowledged by the Grand Rapids boxer.
"If Sergio Martinez can make 150, let’s make the fight happen," Mayweather told Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole. "Like I said, there are no excuses. I’m a little different than other guys. He’s got a very, very impressive style. But like I said before, my main focus is a Manny Pacquiao fight."
Martinez (48-2-2, 27 KO) is widely considered the No. 3 pound-for-pound boxer in the world behind Mayweather and Pacquiao.
He's got a fight scheduled for March 17 with Matthew Macklin, but Martinez's promoter Lou DiBella said they could make a Mayweather fight happen.
"It would hurt him to make 150, but he could do it," DiBella said of Martinez, a past light middleweight and middleweight champion. "We’ve had this conversation and he has told me he could do it.
"If Mayweather wants to fight on May 5, Sergio absolutely, unequivocally would do it. He would want the opportunity to fight the best fighter in the world and he believes that Mayweather is the best fighter in the world right now."
floyd-mayweather-19.jpgAP PhotoFloyd Mayweather signs some boxing gloves Wednesday for the Susan G. Komen breast cancer foundation. He donated $100,000 to them Wednesday.
Mayweather also dismissed the notion that he'd fight Roberto Guerrero under any circumstances and a fight against Saul "Canelo" Alvarez might be better "down the line."
Top Rank president Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, told Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix on Wednesday the Filipino star has chosen his next opponent and that fight will be June 9.
Arum will explore building a temporary stadium on the Las Vegas strip for the fight.
"The (Mayweather) fight is not going to happen on May 5th," Arum told SI. "We’ll do the fight in November. There is no real magic in doing it in May."
The fact Mayweather-Pacquiao appears on hold doesn't surprise DiBella.
"Everything Juan Manuel Marquez does well Floyd does five times as well," DiBella told ESPN.com. "Marquez didn’t win 30 seconds of his fight against Floyd.
"Marquez’s style gave Pacquiao fits, explain to me where Pacquiao’s chances lie in beating Mayweather? I don’t think he has any. I think if anything’s clear right now, is that it’s a very bad fight for Manny Pacquiao. It appears to me the people around Pacquiao and Pacquiao may believe that."
Sergio Martinez Responds, Wants Mayweather in November
by Hans Olson
“If Sergio Martinez can make 150, let’s make the fight happen,” said pound for pound king Floyd Mayweather in a Yahoo Sports story on Wednesday.
“Like I said, there are no excuses. I’m a little different from other guys. He’s got a very, very impressive style. But like I said before, my main focus is a Manny Pacquiao fight.”
Kevin Iole, the writer for Yahoo Sports, suggested in his piece that “Martinez would have to abandon a planned March 17 fight with Matthew Macklin, but given the money involved in a Mayweather fight, that would not be an issue.”
Today in a statement to Boxing Insider, Sergio Martinez responded to Floyd Mayweather.
“I’m focused 100% on Matthew Macklin, and I’m not interested in anything else. Floyd had enough time to reach a deal. Anyway, if he wants the fight he knows who he has to speak with. I said 150 and I will keep my promise. The same way I ask Hopkins and Ward [to meet at] a catch-weight, I don’t have problems in fighting at Jr. Middleweight.Talk is cheap. Fight or shut up. November would be a good month. I would have enough time to reach 150 and you could be recovered from your holidays.”
Martinez fulfilling an obligation to his March 17 fight at Madison Square Garden isn’t a surprise. Contracts are signed, pressers have happened, and Sergio is now entrenched in a hard training camp in Oxnard, CA. If he were to cancel the fight with Macklin, it could be detrimental to his preparation for Floyd Mayweather.
A November date makes sense. As Sergio points out, it will give him ample time to properly drop down to 150 lb., something that needs to be done carefully.
There will be some who ask why Sergio wouldn’t fight both Matthew Macklin and Floyd Mayweather…first Macklin in March, and Mayweather in May. Well, in this scenario the fights would be only 7 weeks apart. That’s unrealistic.
At the same time, Floyd Mayweather cannot be faulted here either. He did say he would fight Sergio Martinez on May 5. There’s no guarantee that Floyd will even fight again in 2012 after that.
Let’s hope each take care of business in their respective upcoming bouts, and make it a priority to fight each other next.
Read more: http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/sergio-martinez-responds-wants-mayweather-in-november/#ixzz1k0ghfkid
I hope this does happen Face Pacquiao and then face sergio martinez :o what game is he playing, if it aint then i like the new mayweather but with caution i can't just jump according what he has done in the past. But lets hope this does happen and it is not just talk as it was in 2009 talking about facing pacquiao and not happening until now or maybe still won't happen.
who knows, we will just have to hope for the best
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But atleast one thing is for sure that on may 5th he will either face pacquaio or martinez :headbang: :P who ever of those i don't mind as long it is one of them. can't wait for may 5th. even better pacquiao and then martinez or martinez and then pacquiao but martinez might knock him out and then pacquiao will say gimme gimme gimme.
just like mayweather did after pacquiao "lost" to juan manual marquez and said gimme gimme gimme he is weak i can defeat him now.
any ways 2012 is already looking good for boxing i just hope none of it ends with any controversy.
:uhhhfacepalm:
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There is no way he fights Martinez before pacquiao. He knows Martinez has no way of fighting at 150 on May 5th so that's why he's saying it.
And this isn't a new mayweather. He's always wanted to fight pacquiao if pacquiao did all the drug testing, The media just hates him.
And again, we've been over this, but Mayweather had the May 5th date set and a challenge to pacquiao before pac/marquez 3 even happened. You're just a hater.
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What can i say. i hate those type of boxers no confidence, just scared of fighting tougher opponents.
but lets stay on topic. :P
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Off topic: Floyd mayweather wants more than 50:50 to fight pacquiao and yet he wants to fight pacquiao lol
and he said and i quote "First they saying im ducking now im begging for the fight what is going on" what a typical thing to say from mayweather, i'll tell you whats going on, you was scared of pacquiao but now you see he is weak you now begging for the fight to beat the best in the world. why the change of heart. pathetic.
At least he knows that we know he was ducking now he is not ducking making demands which are ridiculous that the fight may not happen. sergio martinez fight in november, forget pacquiao on november they should fight on may.
Ok now back to topic. good choice of sergio to fight him on november as he has a scheduled fight with macklin.
they say probably by next week you will find out about the conclusion to the pacquiao vs mayweather situation.
stay tuned.
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pac/pbf is the big money fight, he wants that one first for sure..
i want to see pac/sergio though :D sergio is fighting soon.
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Pacquiao is going to fight Bradley in a battle of the ducks. Why is he allowed to duck?
Anyway, the real p4p rankings
1. Martinez
2. Ward
3. Mayweather
4. Pacquiao
5. Klitschko
6. Hopkins
7. Marquez
8. Donaire
9. Cotto
10. Bute
come at me
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This is ridiculous, what the heck is happening to the world of boxing. Sergio is stripped of his title for no reason.
pacquiao not going to face mayweather but someone rubbish like bradley, i hope pacqiuaio is beaten, the money must have got to him and his pride came in front of him after his loss to marquez, he realized how vulnerable he was.
i thought of pacquiao as a good boxer but now, i don't know what to think, has he lost it. he will have to prove himself again.
floyd is just pathetic filed with excuses.
sergio martinez not going to jump, but i hope sergio faces either pacquiao or mayweather prefer mayweather, so pacquiao can not face him, hah and he will have to face someone else and come up with excuse look he is ducking, shut up go and retire, i am tired of excuses.
and no bob arum he is not taking you with him. :-*
a pacquiao fan no more until he proves himself
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Pacquiao is going to fight Bradley in a battle of the ducks. Why is he allowed to duck?
Anyway, the real p4p rankings
1. Martinez
2. Ward
3. Mayweather
4. Pacquiao
5. Klitschko
6. Hopkins
7. Marquez
8. Donaire
9. Cotto
10. Bute
come at me
Ok
1.Martinez
2.Marquez
3.Pacquiao
4.Mayweather
5.Ward
6.Klitschko - even though they are slow
7.Donaire
8.Vitali
9.Bernard Hopkins
10.Bradley
cotto shouldn't be up there, because he cut open margarito's wound, which just required a small amount of force to cut it open again, i think not.
cotto has speed, agility but no strong power to knock anyone out.
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Seems like you've forgotten:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_vs._Juan_Manuel_Marquez
You can say Marquez beat Pacquiao, but Mayweather made Marquez look like a child.
Also with Cotto, while he hasn't done that much lately, I'm not going to forget what he's done in the past (beating Malignaggi, Judah, Mosley and Clottey). While his 2 knockout losses killed his hype, he's still a top fighter.
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i lost alot of love for bradley when he ducked khan..
martinez is definitely p4p until proven otherwise.. klitchko's are very underrated, sure they are boring but they basically destroyed the heavyweight division of boxing, that's pretty impressive. vladimir is definitely the better of the two, two bad he got lacerated vs lewis.
i think it says alot about the klitchko's that they basically made "heavyweights" avoid trying to become champion boxers.
anyway im happy for lamont peterson, but i want to see him win the rematch decisively.. i think he can... i like khan too though so it's hard rooting against him.. anyway, unfortunately the boxing world cares too much about losses.. it effects the fighters & promoters.
donaire is a beast, he could be top 5 on the p4p list..
marquez definitely cant be #2, mayweather just destroyed him, regardless of the weight differential.
imo it's
1. marquez
2. mayweather
3. pacquiao
even though i could see marquez being #3.
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We might see Mayweather vs Ortiz 2 on may 5th now. You'd think Mayweather would want a mexican opponent if not Pacquiao (Ortiz doesn't count).
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mayweather ortiz 2 :<
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i lost alot of love for bradley when he ducked khan..
martinez is definitely p4p until proven otherwise.. klitchko's are very underrated, sure they are boring but they basically destroyed the heavyweight division of boxing, that's pretty impressive. vladimir is definitely the better of the two, two bad he got lacerated vs lewis.
i think it says alot about the klitchko's that they basically made "heavyweights" avoid trying to become champion boxers.
anyway im happy for lamont peterson, but i want to see him win the rematch decisively.. i think he can... i like khan too though so it's hard rooting against him.. anyway, unfortunately the boxing world cares too much about losses.. it effects the fighters & promoters.
donaire is a beast, he could be top 5 on the p4p list..
marquez definitely cant be #2, mayweather just destroyed him, regardless of the weight differential.
imo it's
1. marquez
2. mayweather
3. pacquiao
even though i could see marquez being #3.
Yeah i can agree to that
1.Martinez
2.Marquez
3.Mayweather
4.Pacquiao
5.. and so on
marquez was made to face above his normal weight, then he fought against mayweather no wonder he lost looking at the state he was in physically.
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mayweather ortiz 2 :<
ha ha lol
that is funny mayweather accepting rematches. like that is ever going to happen
well that is not going to happen.
mayweather vs cotto it is official on 5th may las vegas
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Yea, cause he didn't fight castillo again.
And Mayweather beat Marquez at 144. It's not like it was 147 or 150. You gotta stop kidding yourself.
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Yea, cause he didn't fight castillo again.
And Mayweather beat Marquez at 144. It's not like it was 147 or 150. You gotta stop kidding yourself.
Ok since you were interested in reminding me of mayweather vs marquez.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. weighed in at 146 pounds on Friday afternoon, two pounds heavier than the weight stipulated in the contract for his comeback fight against lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
The excess weight will cost Mayweather $300,000 per pound, meaning Marquez will get an additional $600,000 on top of his $3.2 million guarantee, a source told ESPN.com.
Marquez, LIGHT WEIGHT, NEVER FOUGHT HEAVIER THAN 135, made 142, TWO LESS THEN THE STIPULATED WEIGHT.
Now look at that, mayweather went 2 lbs above the weight 146lbs, because he has money so doesn't mind wasting money, then there is marquez who never fought heavier 135 gets 2 less than the weight 144 lbs.
Marquez, who has never fought heavier than 135 pounds, comfortably made 142 pounds, two less than the 144-pound contract weight.
At Mayweather's request, nobody would speak publicly about the contract weight throughout the promotion that kicked off in early May and continued into the fall when the fight was postponed from July 18 because of a Mayweather rib injury.
However, several sources with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com all along that the contract maximum weight was 144 pounds, three less than the 147-pound welterweight maximum.
But after Friday's weigh-in, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer finally addressed the issue, telling ESPN.com, "The fight was contracted as a welterweight fight with an agreed upon weight of 144 pounds. However, there were pre-negotiated weight penalties built in."
Schaefer would not disclose the dollar figure, but another source with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com that the penalty was $300,000 per pound if either fighter was overweight.
According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it.
Mayweather's contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh-in. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday.
Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went.
"We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather's contract," Kizer said.
Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over (147 pounds), the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.
Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.
mayweather takes the weight very seriously he won't chose a weight he is doesn't naturally fight in.
no wonder mayweather beat marquez.
just pathetic.
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Everyone moves up in weight eventually, and Marquez was fine fighting at welterweight against Pacquiao. Nobody in their right mind could think that Marquez is a better fighter than Mayweather. That's just ridiculous. Marquez hasn't had an impressive official win in 3 years.
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Everyone moves up in weight eventually, and Marquez was fine fighting at welterweight against Pacquiao. Nobody in their right mind could think that Marquez is a better fighter than Mayweather. That's just ridiculous. Marquez hasn't had an impressive official win in 3 years.
firstly
And Mayweather beat Marquez at 144. It's not like it was 147
it was 146, case closed :P
secondly,
mayweather is comfortable fighting at 147-150lbs (that the zone he performs at his best) and 2lbs above is nothing for mayweather
thirdly
Pacquiao weighed in at 143 & Marquez weighed at 142
finally
marquez vs juan diaz who weighed 134 1/2 lbs lightweight, then in short amount of time to increase his weight to 144 which he only made 142, he is comfortable fighting at 135.
marquez vs michael katsidis who weighed 135lbs on november 2010
was given enough time to increase weight to 140lbs which is not that much till july 2011 and fought likar ramos who weighed 140lbs.
then finally since he has been fighting at around 140lbs it wasn't much difficult to increase to make 142 and face pacquiao who weighed 143, not much difference 142 and 143lbs
so marquez was in top shape and thrashed pacquiao no matter what the officials say.
therefore marquez looking stronger and faster. but since mayweather is a better counter puncher then marquez he would have proven marquez a challenge, but not too much that i know marquez will overcome mayweather's speed and come out with a win as he was very well dominating pacquiao.
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i typo'd on my prev post, i meant
1. martinez <- not marquez..
btw mayweather/cotto is appealing after cotto's last fight.. cotto looked really good, really fast, back to himself.
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And Mayweather beat Marquez at 144. It's not like it was 147
it was 146, case closed :P
Marquez was fighting at 144. We're talking about how the weight was too much for him, not that it's right for mayweather.
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And Mayweather beat Marquez at 144. It's not like it was 147
it was 146, case closed :P
Marquez was fighting at 144. We're talking about how the weight was too much for him, not that it's right for mayweather.
seems like your jumping around. let me help you.
marquez was facing mayweather at 142, against mayweather who chose to go 2lbs past the catch weight of 144lbs. marquez moved straight up to 142lbs, therefore not in a comfortable state as the last fight was at 135.
therefore the jump was too much for him that he was not strong at that weight.
secondly when you saying that its' right for mayweather that was relating to your comment about mayweather using marquez's excuse, which he cannot as he is comfortable at that weight to face cotto.
therefore mayweather beat marquez at 146, with marquez at 142.
while when he faced pacquiao he was 142, fully ready because his previous match was 140lbs and pacquiao weighed 143lbs and he got his ass kicked.
he would the same to mayweather if mayweather was in pacquiao's shoes.