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LUKE LOWERY
jacob hiller
alex maroko
adam linkenauger
Azur/Flying101 <-- not a coach but can reach the masses.


please give me more names, this list is pretty much the list that shuns you for life.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 02:17:25 pm »
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I've never actually seen Puke doing squatflex ads... would someone be nice enough to show me? I thought squats were bad by the way...

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 03:09:59 pm »
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As coach of myself, I fully support squatflex* and all associated products and ideas.


*What is squatflex?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 03:23:05 pm »
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As coach of myself, I fully support squatflex* and all associated products and ideas.


*What is squatflex?

I think it's the opposite of squatextend.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 04:25:44 pm »
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As coach of myself, I fully support squatflex* and all associated products and ideas.


*What is squatflex?

I think it's the opposite of squatextend.

lol'd in real life.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 05:35:25 pm »
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I've never actually seen Puke doing squatflex ads... would someone be nice enough to show me? I thought squats were bad by the way...

In TVP 3.0 he discusses actually being the inventor of squat flex.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 01:08:51 am »
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I wasn't going to comment on this at all, but I have to say that I am disappointed with Linkenauger and Hiller's association with Alex Maroko and the squatflex.  It really makes me doubt their intentions as coaches.  Is their number one concern helping athletes progress, or is it to make money at any cost?

Simply put, Maroko is not an athlete.  Instead of publishing the Truth About Quickness, he should have first published the truth about his own numbers.  He had a public training log which was up back in 2008, and after 2 years of training the man had a 23" standing vertical jump.  His other numbers were abysmal.  Now, I'm not saying that every coach has to be the highest jumping, fastest sprinting athlete in the world to be effective, but why would anyone trust someone who has not shown that he can produce results?  The only thing I see Maroko produce are lengthy hyped up videos. 

Hiller and Linkenauger said you can integrate Marko's program into their training programs (e.g. jump manual and vertfreak, respectively).  My question is, why wouldn't this information be put into their programs already, or why isn't this information updated in future issues?  They are really trusting 23" vertical jumping Maroko for quickness drills?  Even if they are not experts in the quickness area (which it seems like they would be), trust Maroko for anything is a mistake.

Finally, I have read up on the squatflex and do not believe that it is safe, affordable, or more effective than any other method.  Using chains or bands seem like a much more scientific and proven solution.  Chains and bands are used by elite lifters, the squatflex is not.  It seems like these products are being promoted so the coaches can receive some kind of kickback.  Would Linkenauger or Hiller go as far as to say that the squatflex is superior to chain and band methods and all other forms of training?  I am beginning to wonder...

I think Hiller and Linkenauger have solid training programs and are knowledgeable about their sport.  However, when they promote garbage it has made me question their character and intentions.

I will not comment on Luke Lowery because he is such an obvious fraud that he does not deserve a full discussion.  I would expect more from Linkenauger and Hiller, though.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2010, 01:12:38 am by Cloud3205 »

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 01:52:40 am »
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I wasn't going to comment on this at all, but I have to say that I am disappointed with Linkenauger and Hiller's association with Alex Maroko and the squatflex.  It really makes me doubt their intentions as coaches.  Is their number one concern helping athletes progress, or is it to make money at any cost?

i'm baffled as to why hiller would feel the need to team up with maroko/jumpusa, i mean, forgive me if i'm wrong, but didn't he already bank hard before teaming up with maroko & co? Doesn't he actually make the most money out of everyone listed.. why the hell would he feel the need to team up with maroko/jumpusa is what I want to know.. IMO, If I were hiller (which i'm not, i'm broke), I would just put that extra effort spent teaming up with scammers into improving the jump manual and making future modifications etc, so that it is a better product, month after month, year after year.. From what it looks like, he already rapes the industry on vert training.


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Simply put, Maroko is not an athlete.  Instead of publishing the Truth About Quickness, he should have first published the truth about his own numbers.  He had a public training log which was up back in 2008, and after 2 years of training the man had a 23" standing vertical jump.  His other numbers were abysmal.  Now, I'm not saying that every coach has to be the highest jumping, fastest sprinting athlete in the world to be effective, but why would anyone trust someone who has not shown that he can produce results?  The only thing I see Maroko produce are lengthy hyped up videos.  

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Hiller and Linkenauger said you can integrate Marko's program into their training programs (e.g. jump manual and vertfreak, respectively).  My question is, why wouldn't this information be put into their programs already, or why isn't this information updated in future issues?  They are really trusting 23" vertical jumping Maroko for quickness drills?  Even if they are not experts in the quickness area (which it seems like they would be), trust Maroko for anything is a mistake.

great point... Apparently KellyB wrote TAQ though? That recently confused me, I thought that was alex maroko's program influenced by "kelly b's training over the years".. If it's maroko's program, then your point stands, if it's kelly B's program, then it has more of a foundation.. regardless, when he says those drills got him to speed freak and all that stuff, they didn't, so incorporating programming (TAQ) into your product (jump manual) would be based on a bed of lies.


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Finally, I have read up on the squatflex and do not believe that it is safe, affordable, or more effective than any other method.  Using chains or bands seem like a much more scientific and proven solution.  Chains and bands are used by elite lifters, the squatflex is not.  It seems like these products are being promoted so the coaches can receive some kind of kickback.  Would Linkenauger or Hiller go as far as to say that the squatflex is superior to chain and band methods and all other forms of training?  I am beginning to wonder...

Hiller has said "band training is more beneficial than dead weight training", he claims studies etc, but, in reality, band training is not any more effective than regular free weight training. It would be nice if he posted those studies here. The most solid routines are always the most basic, and pretty much none of those use bands/chains.. Bands/chains are a big fad, though they do provide a nice stimulus, but maximally accelerating through the bar which consists of "dead weight" will give you the same effect, and you should be doing that already.. So i'm not on board with the whole "bands are superior approach", because regardless, what is most important in athletic movements is how much force you can create initially, "not at the top".. by the time you get towards the top of your jump, the majority of the force you provided earlier on during the eccentric phase & the switching from eccentric to concentric, is what will impact the jump the most.. This is where very high forces are created and elastic energy is stored in the tendons, priming the concentric phase of the jump.. the act of triple extending all the way through the toes is not targeted by the squat flex, the squat flex doesn't overload the "bottom" of the movement which is more important than overloading the top.

The bottom of the movement can be ATG squat, parallel squat, of half squat depth.. squatflex loses a ton of tension towards those depths.

Squatflex is going to focus more on improving concentric strength, what it does not improve are things very key to performance:
- Doesn't improve ECCENTRIC RFD as much as a barbell movement
- Doesn't Improve strength in the weaker ranges of movement (deeper)
- Over-improves the top of the movement substantially compared to the bottom, which technically should effect the quad to hamstring strength ratio, which we all know gets dangerous if the ratio grows
- Band tension is limited to grip
- The body is in a round-back hack squat position for most everyone who uses it, placing more emphasis on incorrect motor patterns, you're not going to get a hip dominant lift with squat flex, it's going to be knee dominant + low back dominant.
- Focuses more on low back and quad, less emphasis on glutes
- Is limited in the amount of exercises you can perform with it, get in a gym.


Furthermore, inexperienced athletes shouldn't be played with intense band tension, which is what squatflex does -> introduces inexperienced, underdeveloped, and quick-result mindset athletes to a mindset of heavy band tension on a device that leads to lower back rounded hack squats. Not a good combo. So marketing squatflex to young kids is a travesty, they should be sticking to the basics and learning what REAL performance training is all about.


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I think Hiller and Linkenauger have solid training programs and are knowledgeable about their sport.  However, when they promote garbage it has made me question their character and intentions.

I will not comment on Luke Lowery because he is such an obvious fraud that he does not deserve mention.  I would expect more from Linkenauger and Hiller, though.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2010, 02:04:27 am »
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Hey Andrew,

I wasn't trying to claim that band training is necessarily superior to all other forms of training, what I was saying is that it has some credible people backing it up.  Lance has an article on this forum devoted to accommodation resistance for vertical jump and speed training.  Westside Barbell started using bands and chains years ago.  My point is that some great athletes use bands and chains but it's not like the Squatflex is used by the best ahtletes in the world.

I also agree with your point that inexperienced athletes shouldn't be using accommodating resistance.  Chuck Vogelpohl said that band training for inexperienced athletes is dangerous in his WSB video.

The convenience argument about the squatflex makes no sense to me because there is a gym almost anywhere in America.  This may be an issue if you lived in any of the following locations:
 
MEXICO
ROMANIA
QUEBEC
BELGIUM
AFRICA

Let's just hope Squatflex can be shipped there.

« Last Edit: November 25, 2010, 02:07:27 am by Cloud3205 »

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 02:13:29 am »
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Hey Andrew,

I wasn't trying to claim that band training is necessarily superior to all other forms of training, what I was saying is that it has some credible people backing it up.  Lance has an article on this forum devoted to accommodation resistance for vertical jump and speed training.  Westside Barbell started using bands and chains years ago.  My point is that some great athletes use bands and chains but it's not like the Squatflex is used by the best ahtletes in the world.

Right I was just going off on a rant.. Bands/chains can be very beneficial, but athletes who focus on maximally accelerating the bar get pretty much the same effect on the concentric portion of the lift.. the increased acceleration of the bar downward using bands is a very intense stimulus, this can be achieved by focusing on speed during the eccentric phase of the squat, but that can be risky depending on your experience level.. It's definitely safer with bands if you control the negative, than trying to divebomb with no bands. Regardless, the most important phase of any lift is the switching from eccentric to concentric, this need to be a primary focus of ones training. Regardless of how fast you go down (I prefer controlled, moderate speed, no dive bombing), the transition needs to be as explosive as possible with maximal acceleration towards the top.

/end tangent :)

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I also agree with your point that inexperienced athletes shouldn't be using accommodating resistance.  Chuck Vogelpohl said that band training for inexperienced athletes is dangerous in his WSB video.

The vast majority of the "athletes" it is being marketed to, are teens, 14-16 years old, that's irresponsible imo.

Hiller enjoys band training and prefers it, but the same people who he probably learned it from, would not advocate loading up considerable band tensions on a squat or even worse, on a squat flex. Guaranteed.

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The convenience argument about the squatflex makes no sense to me because there is a gym almost anywhere in America.  This may be an issue if you lived in any of the following locations:
 
MEXICO
ROMANIA
QUEBEC
BELGIUM
AFRICA

Let's just hope Squatflex can be shipped there.



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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 02:37:59 am »
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Not Hiller man  :-\
The dude is just a cool dude but I did LMAO'd when you put "sad" on his youtube video promoting da flex

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 08:28:06 am »
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It's funny how you guys talk in a serious manner about all these people, I would give them a fart in the face if I were you (although on a second thought...).

I mean, once a guy proves he's scamming, it's "bye bye" from me for pretty much forever. Plus that the videos they make are so fake, they don't believe in what they say THEMSELVES, probably because they do have some background and know they're bullshitting so it's limited to each person's ability to play theatre.

Disgusting. I'd rather play with that elephant dildo.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2010, 12:58:48 pm »
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Dude, I was born in Mexico. I still visit every year. Anyone with a half decent desire to get somewhere in life will have the means necessary to get to a good gym. Where I'm from they were all over downtown.

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2010, 01:22:09 pm »
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Dude, I was born in Mexico. I still visit every year. Anyone with a half decent desire to get somewhere in life will have the means necessary to get to a good gym. Where I'm from they were all over downtown.

you missed the joke zetz. those places are the only places that squatflex doesnt ship to.   
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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2010, 02:27:30 pm »
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Ah, I see. I'll have to pay more attention to earlier replies before posting.