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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2010, 12:39:33 pm »
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this post took 1 hour and 5 minutes.
fml.

I was really wondering about that. FML stands for...? Fuck my life?

FML means For My Locos (locos= us)

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2010, 01:34:45 pm »
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FMP

For My Pendejos.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2010, 02:39:03 pm »
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Holy cow enormous post....


I still don't get the point about timing... I think I explained why in a previous post. 

It's not that I disagree on that, I just don't don't understand how timing would mean that I don't really feel this way about it.

Whether I promoted at the same time, before, and or after I still feel the same way.

And to be perfectly honest, I thought I was the only one promoting at that time.  But i think others came after me.

Regardless, I don't see how it matters.

I provided videos with good form and details on how to improve the form.

Adarq - "I don't for one second believe a SERIOUS adult athlete would not be able to access barbells or dumbells."

There are adults and kids in my list who won't or choose not to have access to a gym... I know you don't really accept that... and in some scenarios i don't either, but to me that condition is reality for some that I cannot change.

I work with several people who have gotten good results from using or supplementing with Squat Flex.  If you want I can invite them to come to this forum and see if they can share.

To me it's a recurring theme that you don't understand, believe, or accept that there are people in this position.  There's not much I can do about that.

YOU have no kids (I don't think), YOU aren't married (I don't think), YOU have a gym and squat rack ++ in our back yard.

One guy in particular who looves squat flex... has kids, is married, and works to support them 40 - 80 hours per week.

He has a wife and kids to support and spend time with.  He's serious about his training, but it MUST take a back seat to his life responsibilities.


He also loves to use the Squat Flex, especially when pressed for time AND has actually made steady progress from it.

To you that makes him "not an athletes" or "not dedicated enough"

But to me that's him using a tool to make the best with his time, and energy.

You'd say... GOT GET A BARBELL... GET UNDER A DOG GAWN BARBELL! ;)  BUY A RACK AND PLATES!

But at least for now... he's not going to do that... or he's going to do that when he can.

I laid out some of the movements i recommend people do to compliment or create a workout...

Deadlift variations, single leg work, isometric holds at lower positions... grip isn't an issue with straps.

It builds strength, and carries over to vertical leap improvements.

"I would guarantee you that the vast majority of the squatflex clientele, those who buy it, are from the ages of 13-17."

The handful that communicates with me and whose age I know... are all over the age of 17, and 2 adults with kids.


To me we are talking about the same things over and over and expressing our different sides.

You may disagree with me, and we can talk about the finer points over and over...

Your disagreeing with me puts me on the "shunned for life" list.

I also think the real issue is the way other marketed it, and how that rubs you and others emotionally wrong... sport and lifting is sacred to you.

In a way I also agree, I think that the way others market and my association (although different) is still an association, and rubs off a bit.

That stinks, but that's also why I'm here to show that I have a a reason... even if you don't believe me and/or disagree.

I'm not sure we can continue to hash this out any further... I think the issues are on the table here for someone to judge by.

Respect to those who let me speak my peace and at least heard me out.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2010, 04:12:52 pm »
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Holy cow enormous post....


I still don't get the point about timing... I think I explained why in a previous post.  

It's not that I disagree on that, I just don't don't understand how timing would mean that I don't really feel this way about it.

Whether I promoted at the same time, before, and or after I still feel the same way.

And to be perfectly honest, I thought I was the only one promoting at that time.  But i think others came after me.

Regardless, I don't see how it matters.

Even if the "timing issue" doesn't pertain to you, many people in our part of the world don't see it that way. Maroko, linkenauger, and yourself all started promoting it during the "holiday season". Just like Maroko & linkenauger did LAST holiday season, and basically never since then, until now, the holiday season.





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I provided videos with good form and details on how to improve the form.

Can you please link those videos? I saw a video with one exercise, squatflex-deadlift.





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Adarq - "I don't for one second believe a SERIOUS adult athlete would not be able to access barbells or dumbells."

There are adults and kids in my list who won't or choose not to have access to a gym... I know you don't really accept that... and in some scenarios i don't either, but to me that condition is reality for some that I cannot change.

Check my reply below ;)




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I work with several people who have gotten good results from using or supplementing with Squat Flex.  If you want I can invite them to come to this forum and see if they can share.

Appreciate it but no thanks, if they want too that's fine, but it would be nice to see video testimonials on youtube etc.



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To me it's a recurring theme that you don't understand, believe, or accept that there are people in this position.  There's not much I can do about that.

YOU have no kids (I don't think), YOU aren't married (I don't think), YOU have a gym and squat rack ++ in our back yard.

One guy in particular who looves squat flex... has kids, is married, and works to support them 40 - 80 hours per week.

He has a wife and kids to support and spend time with.  He's serious about his training, but it MUST take a back seat to his life responsibilities.


He also loves to use the Squat Flex, especially when pressed for time AND has actually made steady progress from it.

To you that makes him "not an athletes" or "not dedicated enough"

But to me that's him using a tool to make the best with his time, and energy.

You'd say... GOT GET A BARBELL... GET UNDER A DOG GAWN BARBELL! ;)  BUY A RACK AND PLATES!

But at least for now... he's not going to do that... or he's going to do that when he can.

So, a guy who supports a family, 40-80 hours a week, should spend 297-497$ on a piece of junk, when they could simply go buy a piece of metal tubing from home depot, some bands online (ironmind, jumpstretch), and then simulate squatflex within 30seconds?



You're seriously justifying spending $497 on a piece of junk like that, for someone who is trying to support a family?






I could go spend $5 at home depot, right now, buy a piece of 1 and 1/4th metal tubing, just like a barbell, having it cut to say 3 feet, get my jumpstretch bands, wrap it around the bar and under my feet, and do the SAME EXACT THING as squatflex. Absolutely no difference.

With the 492$ I saved, building my own squatflex, I could go buy some dumbells, more bands, a TRX/blast straps, a sled, a weighted vest, a chinup bar for my door frame, possibly a ferrari enzo, and who knows what else.

There's nothing special about squatflex, it's a small box that you stand on, with a little bar, that has bands attached to it. That box be substituted with your FEET. The only thing that makes it "special" is it's ridiculously retarded price and the marketing tactics used to promote it. Other than that's, IT'S JUST A SMALL BOX WITH BAND ATTACHMENTS AND A SMALL BAR. It's not like trying to "build a power rack", which is also very easy if you have the tools. It's not like trying to build a jumpmat. All you need is some bands and a small steel bar, 497$ wtf?

If squatflex is so effective, yet so overly expensive, why not just promote going to home depot? Then you could buy all those other cool toys i listed above and not be on the "shunned list". No one can get off the shunned list unless they renounce their association with squatflex, because, no matter what you want to say to justify it, you're promoting a product that takes so much of one's income when that could be spent on more effective methods, not to mention the device itself could be simulated for 99% less than what it actually costs.




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I laid out some of the movements i recommend people do to compliment or create a workout...

Deadlift variations, single leg work, isometric holds at lower positions... grip isn't an issue with straps.

It builds strength, and carries over to vertical leap improvements.

"I would guarantee you that the vast majority of the squatflex clientele, those who buy it, are from the ages of 13-17."

The handful that communicates with me and whose age I know... are all over the age of 17, and 2 adults with kids.


To me we are talking about the same things over and over and expressing our different sides.

You may disagree with me, and we can talk about the finer points over and over...

Your disagreeing with me puts me on the "shunned for life" list.

I also think the real issue is the way other marketed it, and how that rubs you and others emotionally wrong... sport and lifting is sacred to you.

In a way I also agree, I think that the way others market and my association (although different) is still an association, and rubs off a bit.

That stinks, but that's also why I'm here to show that I have a a reason... even if you don't believe me and/or disagree.

I'm not sure we can continue to hash this out any further... I think the issues are on the table here for someone to judge by.

Respect to those who let me speak my peace and at least heard me out.


peace man

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2010, 07:04:47 pm »
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I did that and whaddayaknow?

I now have this:


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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2010, 07:10:09 pm »
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Jacob, do 7 bands really fit on each side of the squat flex (never seen them on)?

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2010, 07:12:27 pm »
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Jacob, do 7 bands really fit on each side of the squat flex (never seen them on)?

I fit 8 on mine......oh wait.....i forgot i don't have one :P

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2010, 08:07:42 pm »
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Jacob, do 7 bands really fit on each side of the squat flex (never seen them on)?

ya it doesnt' even look like it would hehe.. maybe you need a squatflex upgrade for that, who knows.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2010, 01:33:02 am »
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I tried to read all of this but I just couldn't take it any more.

I'm saying this in the nicest way possible. Jacob, cut the BS. You don't actually think squatflex is a good product. It's been out for 4 years, and until they started affiliating with you, you didn't say a word about it. (basically what lance said. Not sure if you responded to that). If jump usa wasn't paying you/giving you mailing lists, you would be talking crap about it as much as we are. We're not dumb. Adam Link told me how the process works personally.

You can get a  bench press with leg curl/leg extension and lat pulldown extensions, a bar, 300 lbs of weight, and probably a set of adjustable dumbbells for cheaper than the squat flex.

I do admire you for coming on here though. Sure you're just spitting BS because you don't want to piss off your affiliate because you are the affiliate king, but its more honorable than pretending to ignore this and blocking me from your forum like Adam did.

But yea, Jacob you should be shunned for life for promoting that crap. I will continue to boycott Jump Manual on forums and youtube. Sure for every person I get to not buy your product you will sell 1000, but I will continue to do it. It has nothing to do with how jump usa markets it. I am shunning you for life because YOU promote it when you know it's crap. You have no integrity and shouldn't be trusted.

« Last Edit: December 19, 2010, 01:43:25 am by JCsBck »
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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #70 on: December 19, 2010, 01:58:31 am »
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I also find it quite offfensive acting like people who work can't get to the gym. My father before he passed away, went to the gym every day. This is someone who was CFO of a major company in NYC, worked 13 hours a day (counting work and commute, not counting investing/research he did at home) and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at 17. Anyone who says they cannot get to the gym ( or at least make a home gym) is full of shit and will never get good results.
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[7:31pm] adarq: ripp, being honest, it's hard for u to beat jcsbck, he's on fire lately
[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
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Say NO to Maroko

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Don't PM me asking me training questions. I'm here for the lulz. If you want help, post on the forums and get help from all the members, maybe even me.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2010, 03:11:37 am »
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I also find it quite offfensive acting like people who work can't get to the gym. My father before he passed away, went to the gym every day. This is someone who was CFO of a major company in NYC, worked 13 hours a day (counting work and commute, not counting investing/research he did at home) and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at 17.

damn..


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Anyone who says they cannot get to the gym ( or at least make a home gym) is full of shit and will never get good results.

I share this opinion.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2010, 05:52:43 am »
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Jc actually just said what i was thinking, this was going on for far too long with Jacob talking the same stuff over and over again and not answering a single question. Shunned for life? Hell yeah!

LE: I did make one of my friends a band system with 3 dollars for the band and 15 for the barbell(not olympic) so...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2010, 05:54:38 am by Nightfly »

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2010, 06:13:42 am »
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Jc actually just said what i was thinking, this was going on for far too long with Jacob talking the same stuff over and over again and not answering a single question. Shunned for life? Hell yeah!


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LE: I did make one of my friends a band system with 3 dollars for the band and 15 for the barbell(not olympic) so...

should have bought squatflex, it's only $497 + tax.

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Re: "Coaches" (lol) who promote squatflex - The list you never want to be on
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2010, 11:16:10 am »
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To me it is clear that there are not conditions in which you can even believe that I think this is a good product.

I honestly am open to having my mind changed...

I'm up against people like JC, who don't like me, don't believe me, and will find every reason to believe that everything ever done is for someone to make money.

Is there really any possibility that I can make any traction here?

I respect your opinions...

You don't respect or believe me for mine.