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Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« on: November 21, 2010, 02:18:37 am »
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Adam Linkenauger is pure scum and I recommend nobody buys Vertfreak or any product he endorses.


Let's start with the cause of a lot of problems in the scammer world these days, and that's Adam's association with Jump USA/Squat Flex.


A year ago, Adam and I had a conversation on AIM about squat flex. Adam was setting up the "marketing" for his yet to come out program/service (eventually became vf 2.0, not sure if he ever got the personalized coaching thing done). Adam was a bit disappointed with the sales of the first vert freak, as we both felt it was the best vertical jump program on the market, but the sales did not show that. So he thought of ways to make his product more known, and decided to associate with Jump USA. They obviously wanted their back scratched, so they wanted Adam to promote the squat flex. Adam knew this would be a problem, because he wanted to stay "legit", but wanted to get the new sales. So he originally was just going to advertise the squat flex as an alternative if people could not get into the gym. I was cool with this. Sure I'd rather just do BW exercises, but it's not a big deal.

Well apparently that wasn't good enough for Jump USA, because recently Adam sent out an email showing a video of this "5'8 dunker who did a windmill as his first dunk. squat flex is 100% responsible for it". Adam also said the squat flex is "new". Squat flex has been around for like 5 years, and every year I hear about this "new" product from jump usa, and it is always the squat flex.

This bothers me, because the squat flex is a potentially dangerous piece of equipment. It's a narrow platform, making it hard for kids to do it with good form. Kids are also gonna try and do too many bands, which is gonna hurt their backs. It's also ridiculously overpriced.

Adam said he would just advertise the squat flex as an alternate, but then emails his subscribers a video he knows is pure bs. That's not acceptable.


Next...

Adam's associate with Alex Maroko
Adam admittedly told me he thought Maroko's stuff was a bunch of BS, and thought he had unethical marketing. The reason Adam eventually caved is because Maroko told him his TAQ made him 75k. I highly doubt this number. Maroko is a master of marketing though. Associate with as many people as possible. We've talked about Maroko enough on here, so you'd know any kind of association with him is against my policy.


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Adam's associate with Taylor Allan
To keep it short, anyone who associates with Taylor Allan ought to be ashamed of themselves (lol, i sound 60). The dude exploited a tragedy for marketing and claimed Haiti needs our money fast but has yet to donate the money he's already made. Any kind of association with him is against my policy. I never talked to Adam about this, as I don't talk to Adam anymore and Taylor Allan is relatively new in the scammer market, but Adam knows that it's wrong.

Next...

Adam's Billing Process (or potential billing process)
I don't keep up with Vertfreak anymore, so I'm not even sure if the coaching thing ever got up, but Adam had a pretty shady billing idea. It was going to be auto renewing (similar to Luke Lowery). Basically, it charges you even if you aren't using the service anymore, and you might not even know you are being billed. Adam knew this was wrong, said it was wrong, but still didn't give a fuck.




That's basically it. I'm not going to say don't buy vertfreak because I think it is a good program. This was just to voice my displeasure with the way Adam has been handling himself lately.

(Everything I said here is legitimate. I have it all saved on AIM Logs. I respect Adam's privacy, so I'll keep those private. But don't doubt any of this)
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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 02:53:36 am »
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lol @ "wanting to stay legit".. image = decimated.. you can't promote squatflex and think you can somehow remain a "legit" coach, those two things are mutually exclusive. When you lie to promote products, you're a scammer, period.

for the noobs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutually_exclusive_events

nice post jcsbck, sad about his luke lowery payment plan - recurring fees.


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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 02:31:14 pm »
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Adam took the advice of Alex Maroko.  His video is very similar with theirs, especially Prolific shooters video by Taylor Allan.

Basically this format, video one introduction to show you "instant result". (The Lure), video two is all about technique, tips and their accomplishment(The Result). Video 3, want you to exploit your emotion by listening to their life experience, usually from a failure to success(The connect), then they will finish it off with buy their products(The scam).    This method is being applied over and over again in TV infomercial and scam artist.  but wait that's more. They also use this "wait that's more" technique in their products as well, throw in what shit stuff which has practically 0 values for free, if you buy their program.   

Judging from lack of good responses in Vertfreak 1.0,  Adam now turned to dark side for some quick money.  With his merit in NCAA, i'm surprised why he didn't get a degree in human performance and be a legit coach in colleges and make 75k per year reliably instead of being "internet" coach and trying to scam their way to victory?

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 02:34:55 pm »
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Adam took the advice of Alex Maroko.  His video is very similar with theirs, especially Prolific shooters video by Taylor Allan.

Basically this format, video one introduction to show you "instant result". (The Lure), video two is all about technique, tips and their accomplishment(The Result). Video 3, want you to exploit your emotion by listening to their life experience, usually from a failure to success(The connect), then they will finish it off with buy their products(The scam).    This method is being applied over and over again in TV infomercial and scam artist.  but wait that's more. They also use this "wait that's more" technique in their products as well, throw in what shit stuff which has practically 0 values for free, if you buy their program.   

the lure, the result, the connect, the scam, but wait there's more <-- gold

great post



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Judging from lack of good responses in Vertfreak 1.0,  Adam now turned to dark side for some quick money.  With his merit in NCAA, i'm surprised why he didn't get a degree in human performance and be a legit coach in colleges and make 75k per year reliably instead of being "internet" coach and trying to scam their way to victory?

absolutely no idea, weird shit.

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 05:40:18 pm »
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I understand where Adam is coming from. The most successful vertical jump program by sales is Jump Manual by a LOOOONG way. Is this the best program? Who knows. The reason it is so successful is the affiliate promotions. Before Jump Manual came along half the reason Luke Lowery was so successful was because his pricing structure meant affiliates earned the most money by saying how amazing it was. Most wouldn't have ever bought the program and I doubt any of them would have a clue regardless.

I know with Vertical Mastery I do ok out of it but it really is just a supplemental income to my main coaching business. I am sure I could do a lot better if I applied some fo the Lowery/Maroko methods of promotion but then, I would have my own section in the Call Em Out and well, that would suck. Then again, I could just stop reading Adarq.org and not worry about it. Maybe cry myself all the way to the bank.

Also, and this is something that I feel does need to mentioned. Vert Freak is a very good program. When you compare it to many others it really is excellent (maybe not to that really amazing Vertical Mastery program  ;), but others). I would rather see people buy Adam's Vert Freak program even if he uses marketing methods and endorsements of things like Squat Flex that some of us don't agree with. If people followed VertFreak they will do pretty good, which is a lot more than can be said for many programs.




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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 06:11:39 pm »
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I understand where Adam is coming from. The most successful vertical jump program by sales is Jump Manual by a LOOOONG way. Is this the best program? Who knows. The reason it is so successful is the affiliate promotions. Before Jump Manual came along half the reason Luke Lowery was so successful was because his pricing structure meant affiliates earned the most money by saying how amazing it was. Most wouldn't have ever bought the program and I doubt any of them would have a clue regardless.

I know with Vertical Mastery I do ok out of it but it really is just a supplemental income to my main coaching business. I am sure I could do a lot better if I applied some fo the Lowery/Maroko methods of promotion but then, I would have my own section in the Call Em Out and well, that would suck. Then again, I could just stop reading Adarq.org and not worry about it. Maybe cry myself all the way to the bank.

Also, and this is something that I feel does need to mentioned. Vert Freak is a very good program. When you compare it to many others it really is excellent (maybe not to that really amazing Vertical Mastery program  ;), but others). I would rather see people buy Adam's Vert Freak program even if he uses marketing methods and endorsements of things like Squat Flex that some of us don't agree with. If people followed VertFreak they will do pretty good, which is a lot more than can be said for many programs.

dno, promoting squatflex nullifies all credentials..

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 06:21:35 pm »
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JackW, I said multiple times I think VF is a good program and this isn't necessarily telling people not to buy the program.
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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 06:59:39 pm »
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JackW, I said multiple times I think VF is a good program and this isn't necessarily telling people not to buy the program.

Actually after I posted my thoughts I remembered a post you said to Kelly a few weeks ago saying the same thing. Nobody is doubting Adam's knowledge, but promotion of garbage like squat flex doesn't help anyone.

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2010, 12:10:22 am »
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JackW, I said multiple times I think VF is a good program and this isn't necessarily telling people not to buy the program.

Actually after I posted my thoughts I remembered a post you said to Kelly a few weeks ago saying the same thing. Nobody is doubting Adam's knowledge, but promotion of garbage like squat flex doesn't help anyone.

I'm doubting his knowledge.. you can't be all that bright and promote squatflex twice.. we all thought the first one was a little slip up in judgement and kissing the ass that kissed yours, but to promote it again, that's just plain retarded.. so ya, i'm doubting his knowledge, can't be too smart to promote squatflex again, with really shitty emails, even worse than the first time. Why would anyone trust his programming if he's willing to promote trash? What if he threw some garbage into VF to make it more fancy, more appealing.. I don't trust anyone's ability to program a performance routine if they are stupid enough to promote squatflex, just saying.

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2010, 08:49:43 am »
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Yeah he's in a lose-lose situation:

If he has knowledge and promotes squat flex, then he's a jerk that's 100% about money and marketing and destroying kids. If he doesn't have knowledge and blindly promotes squat flex really thinking it's "cool" and that, then he has no idea what he's talking about and therefore you shouldn't buy a program from such a creator. So...

But hey, there are so many people that don't know stuff than people that do, there are so many people that buy into marketing so that's a good way to money I guess. :highfive:

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2010, 04:59:16 pm »
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Can't doubt his knowledge cause he has the gold medal to prove it,  but definitely doubt his decision-making. Reputation is very important for his line of field and honesty is the best way of keeping them. Unfortunately for quick money he chose to destroy his reputation.  Affiliate with the wrong people might haunt him in the future, but what can you say, there are a sucker born every minute and there are a lot of people live off those poor souls. 

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2010, 05:15:44 pm »
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Can't doubt his knowledge cause he has the gold medal to prove it,  but definitely doubt his decision-making. Reputation is very important for his line of field and honesty is the best way of keeping them. Unfortunately for quick money he chose to destroy his reputation.  Affiliate with the wrong people might haunt him in the future, but what can you say, there are a sucker born every minute and there are a lot of people live off those poor souls. 



Funny thing is, considering his once pretty active forum is now dead, he probably hurt himself affiliating with these people. I really doubt he sold many copies of VF2, especially considering the people who he affiliated with had their own vertical jump programs.
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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 05:42:27 pm »
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Having a gold medal doesn't really prove anything. I could be born with freak genetics and win stuff with no training (or with less than optimal training - anything I'd do would still have great effect on me) and then my knowledge could suck so much and still be considered a "god" coach.

Like these guys with natural 6-packs that talk crap and people listen to them because "hey, this guy has a 6 pack so he must know what he's talking about".

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2010, 07:01:28 pm »
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Funny thing is, considering his once pretty active forum is now dead, he probably hurt himself affiliating with these people. I really doubt he sold many copies of VF2, especially considering the people who he affiliated with had their own vertical jump programs.

that is pretty sad!!


Having a gold medal doesn't really prove anything. I could be born with freak genetics and win stuff with no training (or with less than optimal training - anything I'd do would still have great effect on me) and then my knowledge could suck so much and still be considered a "god" coach.

Like these guys with natural 6-packs that talk crap and people listen to them because "hey, this guy has a 6 pack so he must know what he's talking about".

That is true if you are self-trained, but being trained by NCAA athlete coaches is different.  He probably learnt more  knowledges from his coaches.  

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Re: Adam Linkenauger/Vert Freak
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 07:09:57 pm »
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I personally know athletes here that are trained and are complete idiots. It's one of the prerequisites of being able to "cope with the pain of being an athlete" or something. They just don't learn anything from the coaching, and the coaching isn't great in itself anyway.