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« on: September 30, 2010, 09:44:17 pm »
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Just calling out a few notable DBHammer members. I was recently banned from the forum for calling a scammer out, so I guess I need to call everyone from that site out.


So let's start

AlexM: Doesn't post there anymore, but we all know how bad he is, and his buddies from DB Hammer still support him. Fuck You

Allan22: My main enemy right now. Makes a "Haiti Donation Event", repeatedly says Haiti needs our money fast so he limits the number to 500 sales then is keeping the money from any future sale. He doesn't even get 500 sales, but still keeps the money. I thought Haiti needed our money fast? People paid 20 dollars for your shit because you said you'd donate it. You never said you wouldn't donate it if you didn't get to 500 sales. You piece of crap. And now you give away the program for free with Vertfreak, but claim you are still promoting it as a donation thing. Fuck you


EDIT: check AlexV's response below.
AlexV: He generally knows his shit and is a good guy, but he's going to turn into a scammer because he sees how much his db hammer butt buddies make. He defends Allan22's bullshit even though he knows it's wrong. He does this because allan22 gave him his mailing list so when AlexV comes out with his own shitty program, he has tons of advertisement. He later tried to be a smart ass to me, but I basically owned him there. I'm pretty sure after that he bitched about me on DbHammer and got me banned. Fuck you.

RJ: Hasn't really done much besides defend his db hammer butt buddies, but I have a feeling he's the next scammer because nobody bought his book. Maybe nobody bought it because you change your mind on training every 12.2 seconds? I bet your book had 200000 different drafts.

CCJ: Just an arrogant piece of crap with no results to show for it

KellyB: Definitely knows his shit, and is a good guy, but he works with Alex Maroko even though he knows alex maroko is a piece of crap. Kelly even said how he is not a fan of maroko's marketing, yet he continues to work with him and use the same marketing. Give me a break.

SquatDr: I don't even know if he's a real person, but fuck him too

jgvbl: Actually defended Taylor Allan. LOl. Fuck you

jtrinsey: Just a whiny arrogant bitch



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Re: DB Hammer Members
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 10:35:33 pm »
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DB forum is an interesting entity when you think about it.. It's MOSTLY a bunch of people who got tricked into doing inno sport, because they were in search of something "different". I mean, it's hard to really transform your athleticism, but most of the journals on db forum have no progress at all, as their training is so overcomplexified. So now, the inno sport forum, consists entirely of non-inno based training. It's also pretty dead because of this, I mean, people don't talk like they used to when inno was the focus. The forum's "base" is formed on lies and deceit. Sure the inno sport system has some very nice concepts, but it was promoted on a bed of lies. That dooms it from the beginning, because what people thought was "solid" from the get go, was in fact as solid as jello pudding. A "fake coach", promoting a "fake system", using "fake athletes" & a "fake training compound" to solidify the system.

So, that helps us come back to the "db forum is an interesting entity part". Think about what Alex Maroko(alexm), Alan Barch Jr (SquatDr)., and Taylor Allen(allan22) all have in common with DB HAMMER:

- Deceitful marketing

Alex Maroko & Alan Barch Jr. also share a few other things:

- Complete lies and fabrications of their own performance

Alex Maroko also shares one more thing:

- Promoting untested programs, as if they are time tested & completely solid.


Alex Maroko shares all qualities with DB Hammer, so he is obviously the head of vultron, so you could basically say he is DB Hammer 2.0, but instead of having a ferrari-like system, he has a segway. His target market is much different, much younger, much more willing to pay for quick fixes.

Flying in 4 doesn't seem bad though, who knows, maybe his quality will improve with KellyB on his side.. But it's hard for quality to improve when you're also scratching someone's back, promoting their weak bullshit every few weeks.


CCJ doesn't bug me as much anymore to be honest. He got caught up in this fantasy of trying to become SquatDr, got out of shape, got fatter, got STRONGER, then tried jumping and tore his shit up. Everyone told him to get lean, but no, since squatdr could jump X @ Y, so to he thought he could. I hope he get healthy at least, leans up, and has fun training again.


JGVBL is funny, he claimed he could take "anyone to 2xBW squat in 8 weeks", yet he struggles to reach those poundages in his journal(s) for a long time. Dno, just thought that was funny, 2xBW squat below parallel is not that easy to accomplish.


I got no problems with kellyb/alexv, other than their association with Maroko (edit: AlexV doesn't have much of an association with him), but people got to make their money and if they put out quality it's not really too much of a problem. I mean, flying in 4 was not bad, so the quality of the duo has improved, plus, with VJB 2.0 coming out, we can only assume that will be very solid information and great programming, so it'll be positive for the vert/performance world. I respect alexv/kellyb alot, they definitely put out great info, i'd rather see them influence maroko and his marketing buttboys, instead of being influenced, which seems like it might be possible.


My one major problem with taylor allan, is that he hasn't donated the money yet. I mean, sure he claims he'll donate it "one day" when he gets the 10k, but that money is needed now, i would donate the current sum immediately, then donate the remainder as that money comes in. Other than that, I mean, taylor allan is at least an athlete who has gotten good results in his training, he can actually jump/play ball, and apparently his prolific shooting "system" is decent. His haiti event thing could have gone alot better, the fact that the money still hasn't been donated yet backs up my theory (and jcsbck's theory) to it being mostly a publicity stunt with possibly good intentions behind it.. I know he won't pocket the money considering we are asking for proof, and he probably wasn't planning too anyway, but that money is better being donated to a relief fund immediately than sitting in someone's paypal for who knows how long.


RJ gave up on sprinting, which is "disappointing", considering his obvious passion that he had for breaking sub-11. People change though, goals change, life changes, so that's all good and well, but I just get the vibe that he got discouraged and "defeated", so not a good way to go out.


Jtrinsey is a good coach and sick athlete, but ya he does whine alot when at the first pin drop of drama. Remember him going at kellyB? shit was hilarious.


Jcsbck is a cool dude, but he can't keep a journal for shit and he trolls IRC relentlessly.


You forgot adarqui, he was on dbforum. Adarqui definitely deserves to get called out. He started off his vert experience using a double arm reach, nfl combine style, then he switched it to single arm when people got on his ass about it. Adarqui also changed his training a shitload, experimenting with all types of stupid crap that he would never implement with his own athletes, always under the guise of "experimentation". This experimentation led to plenty of overuse injuries and even some scary ones. After 2 years of vert training, he only reached 39" RVJ, not accurately measured. His only accurate measured peak RVJ came on a vertec at 36.5". He then detrains for 6 months following september 2009, and ends up back to barely grazing the rim. All that hard work, down the drain, then he is now spending time rebuilding, albeit training smarter and harder than before. He calls people out, he's sort of an asshole, I mean, he contributed to SquatDr leaving the internet (http://www.theverticalsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=4247&highlight=&sid=a28a7bc3c7e211d2def6447d9fb295c1), for which he could very well be wrong (but I doubt it). He's only achieve a 1.72xBW deep squat, and 2.1xBW half squat, his strength after all of these years training, is unacceptable. He broke his hand and gave up on boxing like a little bitch, tried getting back into it nearly 3 years later, but he's using "im broke" as an excuse. He measured Jamie McOwen's 37" vert on a jumpmat, not vertec, even though jamie hit 36" on a vertec, it shouldn't be accepted. His claim of a 4:32 mile will probably never be proven or backed up, because he just doesn't have the heart or joy for distance work anymore, plus he ran an official 24 5k about 4 years ago for a college grade, his lame excuse: he was up programming all night, 5k at 7am, no sleep, and caught a cramp. He's also given up on "400m training" probably 10 times already. He always does the same dunk.

Adarqui is a bitch & DB Forum sucks.

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Re: DB Hammer Members
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 03:00:30 am »
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AlexV: He generally knows his shit and is a good guy, but he's going to turn into a scammer because he sees how much his db hammer butt buddies make. He defends Allan22's bullshit even though he knows it's wrong. He does this because allan22 gave him his mailing list so when AlexV comes out with his own shitty program, he has tons of advertisement. He later tried to be a smart ass to me, but I basically owned him there. I'm pretty sure after that he bitched about me on DbHammer and got me banned. Fuck you.


Love it.   I haven't complained about you to anyone.  Actually I never really complain about members of forums behind their backs cause it really isn't worth it.  I never knew you were/are banned.

Taylor never shared his list.  Where did this idea come from?  Seriously, where?  Simply it is not true.

Of course since I am denying it people will say it must be true, but no it isn't

I too would like to see taylors donation and apparently he is sending andrew proof of his donation.  If this is true and Andrew says it is legit then it is good enough for me.  If not then there are obviously some issues and perhaps then I may become upset with Taylor.

Finally I know Andrew has mentioned that he has no problem with me and kb, etc except for connections with Maroko.  Honestly I have no connection with Maroko.  Just thought I'd point that out.  He has never sold any of my products and I only offer flyin in 4 cause kb wrote it and I have received a number of emails from people who have had good results ("2-3" in 4 weeks is about the norm).  Of course I offer the FIF but have sold ZERO copies because I don;t really actively market anything.  I am just trying to put out some good information.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 03:20:17 am »
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AlexV: He generally knows his shit and is a good guy, but he's going to turn into a scammer because he sees how much his db hammer butt buddies make. He defends Allan22's bullshit even though he knows it's wrong. He does this because allan22 gave him his mailing list so when AlexV comes out with his own shitty program, he has tons of advertisement. He later tried to be a smart ass to me, but I basically owned him there. I'm pretty sure after that he bitched about me on DbHammer and got me banned. Fuck you.


Love it.   I haven't complained about you to anyone.  Actually I never really complain about members of forums behind their backs cause it really isn't worth it.  I never knew you were/are banned.

Taylor never shared his list.  Where did this idea come from.  Seriously, where?  Simply it is not true.

I too would like to see taylors donation and apparently he is sending andrew proof of his donation.  If this is true and Andrew says it is legit then it is good enough for me.  If not then there are obviously some issues and perhaps then I may become upset with Taylor.

Finally I know Andrew has mentioned that he has no problem with me ankb, etc except for connections with Maroko.  Honestly I have no connection with Maroko.  Just thought I'd point that out

I'm sure when you come out with a new program we will get 100s of emails from maroko, taylor allan, alink, virgil aponte, all those guys. That's whats meant on the exchanging of email lists.

And I haven't personally attacked anyone that didn't deserve it. Plus I didn't personally attack anyone on dbhammer.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2010, 03:23:30 am by JCsBck »
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And also NO to anyone who associates with him. No Taylor Allan. No Adam Scammenauger. No Kelly Baggett. No Elliot Hulse. No Jtrinsey. NO JUMP USA


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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 03:31:16 am »
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AlexV: He generally knows his shit and is a good guy, but he's going to turn into a scammer because he sees how much his db hammer butt buddies make. He defends Allan22's bullshit even though he knows it's wrong. He does this because allan22 gave him his mailing list so when AlexV comes out with his own shitty program, he has tons of advertisement. He later tried to be a smart ass to me, but I basically owned him there. I'm pretty sure after that he bitched about me on DbHammer and got me banned. Fuck you.


Love it.   I haven't complained about you to anyone.  Actually I never really complain about members of forums behind their backs cause it really isn't worth it.  I never knew you were/are banned.

Taylor never shared his list.  Where did this idea come from?  Seriously, where?  Simply it is not true.

Of course since I am denying it people will say it must be true, but no it isn't

I too would like to see taylors donation and apparently he is sending andrew proof of his donation.  If this is true and Andrew says it is legit then it is good enough for me.  If not then there are obviously some issues and perhaps then I may become upset with Taylor.

Finally I know Andrew has mentioned that he has no problem with me and kb, etc except for connections with Maroko.  Honestly I have no connection with Maroko.  Just thought I'd point that out.  He has never sold any of my products and I only offer flyin in 4 cause kb wrote it and I have received a number of emails from people who have had good results ("2-3" in 4 weeks is about the norm).  Of course I offer the FIF but have sold ZERO copies because I don;t really actively market anything.  I am just trying to put out some good information.

Now the real reason why DB is dead is all the stupid personal attacks.  Like Davan, JC, etc...  I have no problem with debating training with anyone.  I also respect peoples opinions about guys like Taylor.  That is your choice.  And if he didn't donate that would be shitty and my opinion would change.  But until I learn otherwise I am giving Taylor the benefit of the doubt.

In the past few weeks I was told to kill myself.  That is bullshit  coming from keyboard warriors.  



ya as for taylor allan, the proof he sent me was that he didn't donate YET. I mean I saw a paypal screenshot, of just a money amount, but i'm sure that was that actual money. So, he didn't donate YET. I personally believe he eventually will, but that was my point about this whole thing from the getgo, those people who "donated" the $20 to him to donate to haiti, still havn't had their money actually donated to haiti, even though they probably think it's in haiti's hands. I mean, I know he wants to get to $10,000, but if he didn't already, that's going to take a long time.

I'm not trying to tell people what to do, just stating what I think would be more proper. For example, campaign could have been, "donate to a haiti relief fund, show proof of donation, get the athletic domination blueprint free" etc.. He's never run a charity before I imagine, so starting out by accepting donations for a "publicity project" just didn't seem right from the start.

I'm pretty sure most people would side with me a little more now that they know he hasn't donated the money yet, since I took a little bit of a beating on my original call em out. Again, I expect he will donate the money, it's just that I disagree with how long it's taken and how the whole thing actually went down. Donating money to haiti should be through CERTIFIED donation agencies like the american red cross and shit like that imo.

When the money is donated, he said he will provide video proof, so, that will be a good day, for everyone involved & for some peeps in haiti.

I don't look like AS MUCH of an asshole on this issue anymore, in my humble opinion... lol.

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Now the real reason why DB is dead is all the stupid personal attacks.  Like Davan, JC, etc...  I have no problem with debating training with anyone.  I also respect peoples opinions about guys like Taylor.  That is your choice.  And if he didn't donate that would be shitty and my opinion would change.  But until I learn otherwise I am giving Taylor the benefit of the doubt.

In the past few weeks I was told to kill myself.  That is bullshit  coming from keyboard warriors. 

I think DB forum died because CCJ/RJ stopped posting.

and ya, Davan's "kill yourself" comment was whack.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 01:54:27 pm »
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ya as for taylor allan, the proof he sent me was that he didn't donate YET. I mean I saw a paypal screenshot, of just a money amount, but i'm sure that was that actual money. So, he didn't donate YET. I personally believe he eventually will, but that was my point about this whole thing from the getgo, those people who "donated" the $20 to him to donate to haiti, still havn't had their money actually donated to haiti, even though they probably think it's in haiti's hands. I mean, I know he wants to get to $10,000, but if he didn't already, that's going to take a long time.

I'm not trying to tell people what to do, just stating what I think would be more proper. For example, campaign could have been, "donate to a haiti relief fund, show proof of donation, get the athletic domination blueprint free" etc.. He's never run a charity before I imagine, so starting out by accepting donations for a "publicity project" just didn't seem right from the start.

I'm pretty sure most people would side with me a little more now that they know he hasn't donated the money yet, since I took a little bit of a beating on my original call em out. Again, I expect he will donate the money, it's just that I disagree with how long it's taken and how the whole thing actually went down. Donating money to haiti should be through CERTIFIED donation agencies like the american red cross and shit like that imo.

When the money is donated, he said he will provide video proof, so, that will be a good day, for everyone involved & for some peeps in haiti.

I don't look like AS MUCH of an asshole on this issue anymore, in my humble opinion... lol.

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I agree with your sentiments completely.  Personally I would have donated in a month, and then kept donating monthly until I reached 10K. 

So How far is he from 10k? 
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 02:51:42 pm »
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ya as for taylor allan, the proof he sent me was that he didn't donate YET. I mean I saw a paypal screenshot, of just a money amount, but i'm sure that was that actual money. So, he didn't donate YET. I personally believe he eventually will, but that was my point about this whole thing from the getgo, those people who "donated" the $20 to him to donate to haiti, still havn't had their money actually donated to haiti, even though they probably think it's in haiti's hands. I mean, I know he wants to get to $10,000, but if he didn't already, that's going to take a long time.

I'm not trying to tell people what to do, just stating what I think would be more proper. For example, campaign could have been, "donate to a haiti relief fund, show proof of donation, get the athletic domination blueprint free" etc.. He's never run a charity before I imagine, so starting out by accepting donations for a "publicity project" just didn't seem right from the start.

I'm pretty sure most people would side with me a little more now that they know he hasn't donated the money yet, since I took a little bit of a beating on my original call em out. Again, I expect he will donate the money, it's just that I disagree with how long it's taken and how the whole thing actually went down. Donating money to haiti should be through CERTIFIED donation agencies like the american red cross and shit like that imo.

When the money is donated, he said he will provide video proof, so, that will be a good day, for everyone involved & for some peeps in haiti.

I don't look like AS MUCH of an asshole on this issue anymore, in my humble opinion... lol.

peace


I agree with your sentiments completely.  Personally I would have donated in a month, and then kept donating monthly until I reached 10K. 

yup, exactly! That, or have it setup so that it's donated right into a fund maintained by a certified organization. I guess that's the "lesson learned" in this situation, as those two options would have been more appropriate imo.



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So How far is he from 10k? 

at the time of this message, about 7k..

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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2010, 04:21:58 am »
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I can't believe you people... you keep your politically "correctedness" so much. It's like the plague of the American part seeing this from Europe.

I think you should start with the presumption of guilty when it comes to people receiving and THEN donating money. Seems the human mind is so quick to forget about giving stuff. I can't believe people are gullible enough to think "yeah sure, he's going to donate". That's just a marketing strategy to get money and buy fleshlights (or whatever it is that he's doing with the money).

Don't tell me that "Haiti needs help NOW" and "act quick" means "well, if I get 10.000$ in a few years THEN I'll donate them". That's pretty quick, right? But that's not really the issue. How can you believe a guy who is using marketing strategies to get rich that he's going to donate 1 (one) $ at all? That's just crazy.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2010, 05:06:23 am »
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I can't believe you people... you keep your politically "correctedness" so much. It's like the plague of the American part seeing this from Europe.

haha.. true


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I think you should start with the presumption of guilty when it comes to people receiving and THEN donating money. Seems the human mind is so quick to forget about giving stuff. I can't believe people are gullible enough to think "yeah sure, he's going to donate".

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That's just a marketing strategy to get money and buy fleshlights (or whatever it is that he's doing with the money).

LOL.. admit it, you'd pull a scam like that for a 2011 fleshlight model with swiss army knife attachment.


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Don't tell me that "Haiti needs help NOW" and "act quick" means "well, if I get 10.000$ in a few years THEN I'll donate them". That's pretty quick, right? But that's not really the issue. How can you believe a guy who is using marketing strategies to get rich that he's going to donate 1 (one) $ at all? That's just crazy.

well, he's going to donate because he has to, at this point.. if he doesn't show proof of donation within a reasonable amount of time, everyone will shit on him.. his true intentions could have been to pocket it, who knows, i personally think he did intend to donate but his way about doing it/how he setup the fundraiser was a clusterfuck and doomed to look bad from the getgo, like it did..

but your words are true: "Don't tell me that "Haiti needs help NOW" and "act quick" means "well, if I get 10.000$ in a few years THEN I'll donate them". That's pretty quick, right?" That's been my contention (& jcsbck's) with it from the beginning.. we both knew he wouldn't make the 10k fast, and we both knew he'd hold onto the money "until he did", and we both knew he'd give away (or sell) the blueprint after a certain amount of time, all of which conflict with the initial goal, as you stated, of donating to haiti "NOW!!".

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2010, 05:28:02 am »
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I'd just photoshop the proof and happily live forwards. Or ...

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 05:30:19 am »
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I'd just photoshop the proof and happily live forwards. Or ...

lol.. we'll see :P

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2010, 10:15:52 pm »
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SquatDr: I don't even know if he's a real person, but fuck him too


ROFL, well, he has some very good photoshoped images.

I remember CCJ from when he used to have a 40", but ofc he was lean back then.

The only guy to work successfully with the innosport stuff was Ant specially with rate and magnitude (if I remember well that was all the ADA, depth jumps and REA stuff), he made a good work and journal and got great results. I have a couple of videos of him doing some two handed dunks when his running vert was around 40". His VJ got close to 40" standing but then he commited marricide, his vert went down then posted a couple of times again and then disapeared

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2010, 11:28:55 pm »
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SquatDr: I don't even know if he's a real person, but fuck him too


ROFL, well, he has some very good photoshoped images.

I remember CCJ from when he used to have a 40", but ofc he was lean back then.

*mind blown*, you're talking about the wrong CCJ :) CCJ did get his SVJ up to like 32 or something possibly, i forget, but his RVJ was nowhere near 40.. he did get his squat up pretty nice with MYO-REPS but he got fat & out of shape in the process, which led to a bad knee injury..


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The only guy to work successfully with the innosport stuff was Ant specially with rate and magnitude (if I remember well that was all the ADA, depth jumps and REA stuff), he made a good work and journal and got great results. I have a couple of videos of him doing some two handed dunks when his running vert was around 40". His VJ got close to 40" standing but then he commited marricide, his vert went down then posted a couple of times again and then disapeared

the only problem with Ant, is that he had a 40" whatever (SVJ or RVJ i forget) PRIOR to utilizing inno-sport.. he had a 40, then he got an ACL reconstruction after an injury.. i guess a year later he then found inno and trained using that ideology.. his log is interesting, his 'gains' were impressive POST INJURY, but it's not like he was a slug before inno.. he basically got to the SAME level or possibly a small bit better using the inno system.. Regardless, I give him maaad props for getting back to 40 post acl reconstruction.

committed marricide <- hhaha .. ya, he got married and that was the end of that story.. poor guy ;d

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2010, 11:49:50 pm »
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Yes, its true, he had a 40 before his ACL injury, in fact I have and ooooooooold picture of him doing a dunk, before the ACL. Also from what I remember from his old forum, he had the same strenght level before his injury (400lbs squat) but I dont remember what or how he trained for his goal before his injury or why his vert was that low for his strenght levels when he started the AREG (maybe just strenght work and no jump... just guessing).

thats all

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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2010, 12:24:38 am »
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Yes, its true, he had a 40 before his ACL injury, in fact I have and ooooooooold picture of him doing a dunk, before the ACL. Also from what I remember from his old forum, he had the same strenght level before his injury (400lbs squat) but I dont remember what or how he trained for his goal before his injury or why his vert was that low for his strenght levels when he started the AREG (maybe just strenght work and no jump... just guessing).

thats all

peace.

ya i have those pictures/videos somewhere too somewhere, doubt i'd be able to find them, but he definitely got up great.. dude was very powerful.

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