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Do you have to be an "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?

yes
11 (40.7%)
no
16 (59.3%)

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adarqui

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Well, do you? Can you be overweight, unathletic, uncoordinated, etc, and still coach athletes to success? We're talking real success here, not just some stupid personal trainer BS. We're talking significant gains in performance over the course of say an athlete's college career, high school career, pro career, olympic career, etc.

Inquiring minds want to know!

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 03:48:22 pm »
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VOTE BEFORE READING MY REPLY U LEECH!

















I voted "no", although, I feel coaches should be athletes in order to become more in tune with what it actually takes on a physiological and mental level. Sure, a coach can be super unathletic and still be a very successful coach, but I think a person like this, would be EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL if he was a dedicated athlete himself. So, sure he can get great results with his clients, hence the "no" answer to the poll, but I think he would get BETTER results if he knew what it really meant to TRY and become the best, on that busting your ass painful as fuck slow grind we call "performance enhancement".

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 03:52:50 pm »
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I would take advice from a nerdy trainer that is weaker than me..If that advice/workout was really good

The thing is, even though this person is unathletic, they should be working out and training hard.  I have taken alot of advice from strong football players(never followed) that is not worth anything at all.

there are many nba,nfl, and other pro's who are beast  in the weight room and on the field but don't have any better workout than one i could make up in 10min.

my point is, I don't care as to the level of the guy training me. I just want somebody knowledgable who actually "takes his own medicine."

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 04:20:56 pm »
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No. Unequivocally, no.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 04:23:44 pm »
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my point is, I don't care as to the level of the guy training me. I just want somebody knowledgable who actually "takes his own medicine."

 I actually don't even care about this part, and neither should anybody else. I would take advice from a quadriplegic if I had reason to believe that person's advice was sound.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 04:41:59 pm »
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Voted no. Stephen Hawkins doesn't need arms and legs to decipher quantum physics.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 04:45:25 pm »
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Voted no. Stephen Hawkins doesn't need arms and legs to decipher quantum physics.

Great logic lol

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 05:36:52 pm »
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I voted no but I think in some cases it certainly helps. Having spent 2 years dedicating my training exclusively to vertical jump improvement I believe this does give me a much greater degree of insight into what it takes to increase your vertical jump.

I know there have been many occasions where some of my clients and customers have hit sticking points in their results and because I went through the same thing I knew what to do to get them going again.

Now having said that, I also don't think it is 100% necessary. With enough experience just coaching I think you can see enough common issues with different people that over tiem you would be able to identify the problems and propose solutions.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 05:43:37 pm »
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Great basketball coach (on the left there):



Great football coach (in the front there):



Great nutrition and training guru on whose nuts I swing (with the glasses there):



Q.E.D.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 06:11:52 pm »
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Isnt there some saying like: the best coaches are the ones that had to work hardest to get to average athletic levels or something like this...

I can say about myself that im a great tricking coach, as im not genetically gifted for that sport, so i had to get great technique and really understand it to land most tricks. i asked some of the best trickers (freaks of nature/genetically very gifted) about advice for specific tricks and they didnt even knew how exactly they were doing it, as they didnt really had to practice it thousands of hour to land it...

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 06:13:26 pm »
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Isnt there some saying like: the best coaches are the ones that had to work hardest to get to average athletic levels or something like this...

I can say about myself that im a great tricking coach, as im not genetically gifted for that sport, so i had to get great technique and really understand it to land most tricks. i asked some of the best trickers (freaks of nature/genetically very gifted) about advice for specific tricks and they didnt even knew how exactly they were doing it, as they didnt really had to practice it thousands of hour to land it...

what exactly do you do Damien?

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 06:25:31 pm »
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Isnt there some saying like: the best coaches are the ones that had to work hardest to get to average athletic levels or something like this...

I can say about myself that im a great tricking coach, as im not genetically gifted for that sport, so i had to get great technique and really understand it to land most tricks. i asked some of the best trickers (freaks of nature/genetically very gifted) about advice for specific tricks and they didnt even knew how exactly they were doing it, as they didnt really had to practice it thousands of hour to land it...

what exactly do you do Damien?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0oRpiyXqk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0oRpiyXqk</a>
video is from 2007 (before strenftraining)...

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2010, 06:50:09 pm »
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Isnt there some saying like: the best coaches are the ones that had to work hardest to get to average athletic levels or something like this...

I can say about myself that im a great tricking coach, as im not genetically gifted for that sport, so i had to get great technique and really understand it to land most tricks. i asked some of the best trickers (freaks of nature/genetically very gifted) about advice for specific tricks and they didnt even knew how exactly they were doing it, as they didnt really had to practice it thousands of hour to land it...

what exactly do you do Damien?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0oRpiyXqk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0oRpiyXqk</a>
video is from 2007 (before strenftraining)...

Oh whoa, that's pretty cool..I was thinking about starting parkour sometime soon..but that looks =ly cool

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2010, 07:04:26 pm »
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That video is totaly cool Damien. Especially as you appear to be pretty tall. Impressive.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2010, 07:40:58 pm »
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I say no, but understand both perspectives.  Even tho some don't/won't consider me a coach, I take a lot of pride in considering myself a coach.  That being said I've never had over a 24" vertical jump and ever since college I've been overweight, losing and gaining a lot of weight multiple times since then.  As a kid I bought jumpsoles and did depth jumps for over a half hour 5 days a week, on top of that not doing hardly any weights and playing basketball during the seasons, the only result of that was jumpers knee.

I wish I knew back then what I know now because chances are I wouldn't be sitting here with a bum ankle (torn cartildge/"osteochondritis dissesans") and I'd probably be much closer to my goals.  I can talk nutrition with the best of them, but it doesn't mean I follow it myself.  I've worked with professional golfers and I myself shoot in the 80s (played Varsity HS golf and could've played at college level).

All that being said I've always struggled to sell Personal Training working in commercial gyms, because people see a "fat kid" and don't think I am capable of giving good advice.  Meanwhile I've worked with trainers who are in good shape, and have had the worst workouts and ideas for workouts ever.  I mean seeing a client a half hour a week, but still trying to focus on 1 specific bodypart that workout.  Even tho I know that that's not what we're talking about here (coaching vs personal training).  Just my thoughts tho.