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Do you have to be an "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?

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DamienZ

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2010, 08:03:16 pm »
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That video is totaly cool Damien. Especially as you appear to be pretty tall. Impressive.

thx Jack! im 6'2 and about 140l in that vid (lol) (now im 187)

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2010, 01:50:59 am »
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I say no because only a few of my coaches have been great athletes themselves. My current hurdle coach knows what he's doing quite well despite the fact that he's starting to get older. He's told us how he only did sprints in high school and college but he never goes on about just how good he was. More than once he's mentioned how he didn't continue hurdles because he fell over one pretty bad in high school and never did them again. Do I still listen to his coaching even though he was never "elite?" Absolutely. Man knows what he's talking about.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2010, 01:56:50 am »
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GO TO THE GYM, SQUAT 350lbs incorrectly, THEN tell the little kid watching you all about squatting(improperly)

^^The results/decent athlete part of the equation must be sure fire..NO guys who half squat and then tell you all about the squat(adarq?)..I want a guy who full squats 500lbs and knows how to train, that is optimal..or a guy who has a degree for S&C that is working to get that 500lbs(NOT A GUY WHO SITS ON HIS ASS)

like my () adarq?
and I don't know how i called you out on the half-squat, but it happened lol..don't really mean it meanly.You get results for what you want to squat for  ;)

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2010, 03:10:02 pm »
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I say no because only a few of my coaches have been great athletes themselves. My current hurdle coach knows what he's doing quite well despite the fact that he's starting to get older. He's told us how he only did sprints in high school and college but he never goes on about just how good he was. More than once he's mentioned how he didn't continue hurdles because he fell over one pretty bad in high school and never did them again. Do I still listen to his coaching even though he was never "elite?" Absolutely. Man knows what he's talking about.

Agree. If the coach is super accomplished him/herself, well, that's cool. But to be a good coach you have to know your stuff, understand how to apply it to real people, and be able to communicate it well. Anything less than that and you can't be a good coach. Anything more is gravy, IMO.
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thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
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- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2010, 03:20:39 pm »
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I say no because only a few of my coaches have been great athletes themselves. My current hurdle coach knows what he's doing quite well despite the fact that he's starting to get older. He's told us how he only did sprints in high school and college but he never goes on about just how good he was. More than once he's mentioned how he didn't continue hurdles because he fell over one pretty bad in high school and never did them again. Do I still listen to his coaching even though he was never "elite?" Absolutely. Man knows what he's talking about.

Agree. If the coach is super accomplished him/herself, well, that's cool. But to be a good coach you have to know your stuff, understand how to apply it to real people, and be able to communicate it well. Anything less than that and you can't be a good coach. Anything more is gravy, IMO.

Haha. Nice way to put it.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2010, 04:17:50 pm »
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I say no because only a few of my coaches have been great athletes themselves. My current hurdle coach knows what he's doing quite well despite the fact that he's starting to get older. He's told us how he only did sprints in high school and college but he never goes on about just how good he was. More than once he's mentioned how he didn't continue hurdles because he fell over one pretty bad in high school and never did them again. Do I still listen to his coaching even though he was never "elite?" Absolutely. Man knows what he's talking about.

Agree. If the coach is super accomplished him/herself, well, that's cool. But to be a good coach you have to know your stuff, understand how to apply it to real people, and be able to communicate it well. Anything less than that and you can't be a good coach. Anything more is gravy, IMO.

both good posts.

ps: Ignoring bmully.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2010, 04:30:09 pm »
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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2010, 04:47:17 pm »
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Dully noted.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2011, 04:19:28 pm »
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I voted no, but I'm starting to re-think it as I'm not so sure.

What do you mean by "decent athlete"?

Some basketball coaches are good even though they were never athletic. Same goes for some boxing coaches, though that's rare AFAIK. These coaches are more about strategy and technique though. I believe most good S&C coaches are at the least, "decent" athletes.
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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2011, 06:37:36 pm »
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He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2011, 07:38:22 pm »
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He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

I always thought that saying was absolute crap. Teaching is doing and it's hard as fuck. Most people are terrible at it.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2011, 08:48:32 pm »
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I think that a person must train for something.  You shouldn;t just write programs.  Do you need to be a decent athlete?  What is an athlete.  I Pl'ed for a while and squatted 700.  I couldn;t dunk and did not look pretty.  But I knew about bustin ass for a goal.  Many moons ago I trained with an elite MMA team, was never great...  Decent?  Maybe, maybe not.  But again, bustin ass towards a goal.

So you don;t need to be "elite" but a coach should know how to train properly, and train hard.

I would never listen to a coach who could not properly do the exercise they are coaching.
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2011, 09:05:41 pm »
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I would never listen to a coach who could not properly do the exercise they are coaching.

that.

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Re: Do you have to be a "decent athlete" to coach athletes to success?
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2011, 03:16:22 am »
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Many moons ago

Haha, we use the term "luni" which means "moons" for months in Romanian too. 8)

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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2011, 03:17:58 am »
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I would never listen to a coach who could not properly do the exercise they are coaching.

that.

Would you listen to a fat nutritionist? What about a handicapped trainer? What about a ugly fashion artist?