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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2011, 08:12:30 am »
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best part is when Jon North starts raping Rippetoe and Moser!

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2011, 10:19:11 am »
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Other than disrespecting Pendlay, who I think is a great coach, there are many good points being made in that thread...
the US does need to get stronger & rippetoe is right, in the US the best athletes do not olympic weightlift.


The best track and field athletes, basketball players and football players do not make the best olympic weightlifters. They're far too tall and often have the wrong proportions. Undersized college players would be good to go after but weightlifting cannot offer scholarships or even the popularity and prestige of being on the basketball or football team or running track...



no but what you would get are the incredibly athletic people who aren't the best in their sport (because of their proportions) and get them to weightlift...

That's exactly what everyone is saying they should do. How to convince that guy to do weightlifting rather than play football? How do you even introduce that guy to weightlifting?

You don't.


I agree

 there are many examples of people who are almost-elite in a certain sport and then are convinced to do another sport they're more "fit" for and end up actually being elite there. 

The problem in the US is it doesn't happen in weightlifting often...

the only example I can think of is Tara Cunningham who was a member of the U19 women's national soccer team before she was convinced to do weightlifting instead...she then went on to get a gold medal in Beijing

The US weightlifting will succeed when we a) get more of these Tara Cunninghams &
                                               
                                                                    b) dope

Unfortunately, sports that do not have a "ball" component are not very popular in the US.  Track & Field, Weightlifting, and even Gymnastics are less prestigious and often overlooked in favor of football, basketball, even soccer

Most would rather be a good football player, rather than a great gymnast/lifter/thrower etc...

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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2011, 10:20:22 am »
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That's exactly what everyone is saying they should do. How to convince that guy to do weightlifting rather than play football? How do you even introduce that guy to weightlifting?

talking out my ass here, but this is what makes sense to me: in soccer countries, you've got no choice but to weight lift, do the throws or maybe play rugby if you're an enormous dude. in a country where the most popular sport involves a lot of enormous dudes, the other sports don't get the same kind of automatic attention from that group.

until then, you just have to wait for the random occasional kid who likes weightlifting more than anything else. for example, hickson. kid could probably play D1 football based on physical gifts and work ethic alone (unless i'm missing some fundamental reason he DOESN'T play football, like epilepsy). he's 6-3, 220 or 230 or whatever. if he's fast, he could play linebacker or TE. if he's not so fast, he could pack on 20 or 30 more pounds and play DE. but he likes to lift and has since he was little, so he's a stupefyingly good weightlifter instead.

pat mendes, same thing. physically gifted as hell, was NFL-OL-sized at AGE 18. but he decided to become a lifter instead of an offensive lineman.

maybe USAW should look at USA Fencing. the US was irrelevant in international fencing for decades, until less than 10 years ago, when suddenly mariel zagunis and sada jacobson started whupping on everyone and now there are a bunch of US fencers in the top 10 or 20 in the world in the various events. whatever they did is working.

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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2011, 10:21:07 am »
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also, lamp, not sure T&F or gymnastics are the best example there. we're still elite on a world level in a bunch of T&F events and in gymnastics.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2011, 12:39:01 am »
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I agree

 there are many examples of people who are almost-elite in a certain sport and then are convinced to do another sport they're more "fit" for and end up actually being elite there. 

The problem in the US is it doesn't happen in weightlifting often...

the only example I can think of is Tara Cunningham who was a member of the U19 women's national soccer team before she was convinced to do weightlifting instead...she then went on to get a gold medal in Beijing

The US weightlifting will succeed when we a) get more of these Tara Cunninghams &
                                               
                                                                    b) dope

Unfortunately, sports that do not have a "ball" component are not very popular in the US.  Track & Field, Weightlifting, and even Gymnastics are less prestigious and often overlooked in favor of football, basketball, even soccer

Most would rather be a good football player, rather than a great gymnast/lifter/thrower etc...

Unfortunately they either don't know what weightlifting is, don't find it fun, or prefer to play a sport that increases their chances of getting laid.

Tara Nott Cunningham was lucky in 2000 and won a gold medal with 185 total. After 2000, other countries started developing their female weightlifters more seriously and the WR total for her weightclass is now 212kg. You need to be over 195kg just to get in the top 5 in the womens 48kg class today.

More important than being an U19 USA soccer player she trained at the OTC as a gymnast which is probably the ideal place to look for good female weightlifters.

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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2011, 12:57:36 am »
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talking out my ass here, but this is what makes sense to me: in soccer countries, you've got no choice but to weight lift, do the throws or maybe play rugby if you're an enormous dude. in a country where the most popular sport involves a lot of enormous dudes, the other sports don't get the same kind of automatic attention from that group.

until then, you just have to wait for the random occasional kid who likes weightlifting more than anything else. for example, hickson. kid could probably play D1 football based on physical gifts and work ethic alone (unless i'm missing some fundamental reason he DOESN'T play football, like epilepsy). he's 6-3, 220 or 230 or whatever. if he's fast, he could play linebacker or TE. if he's not so fast, he could pack on 20 or 30 more pounds and play DE. but he likes to lift and has since he was little, so he's a stupefyingly good weightlifter instead.

pat mendes, same thing. physically gifted as hell, was NFL-OL-sized at AGE 18. but he decided to become a lifter instead of an offensive lineman.

maybe USAW should look at USA Fencing. the US was irrelevant in international fencing for decades, until less than 10 years ago, when suddenly mariel zagunis and sada jacobson started whupping on everyone and now there are a bunch of US fencers in the top 10 or 20 in the world in the various events. whatever they did is working.

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The thing is you need TINY people for weightlifting. 56kg lifters are 4'8-5'1. 62kg lifters are normally like 4'10-5'3. 69kg lifters 5'0 to 5'6. These classes are not having their athletes poached by football and basketball and yet the USA still sucks.

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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2011, 10:44:41 am »
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^^^ That's an interesting point. I guess as an outsider most of what I focus on are the super-heavyweights. They're the strongest/most mind-blowing.

OTOH, you never know how big someone is gonna be when they're 9 or 10. Everyone is tiny at that age. Plenty of kids playing Pop Warner football or rec league soccer -- siphon off the athletic ones and as they grow up you'll end up with a range of sizes. Or find dudes that love/are good at gymnastics and get them to lift weights. The strongest PFP lifters in my gym are both former gymnasts. But one is 5-2, ~77 kg and the other is 5-5, ~84 kg. Thick, strong dudes.
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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2011, 11:43:12 am »
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When you see the vast amounts of money that is involved in other sports such as soccer, basketball, baseball, football etc, it's easy to understand why weightlifting isn't very popular.

What do they have in Bulgaria, the Soviet's etc, not much really. They dedicate there lives to weight lifting, it's more of an option there & a way out.
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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2011, 02:26:13 pm »
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When you see the vast amounts of money that is involved in other sports such as soccer, basketball, baseball, football etc, it's easy to understand why weightlifting isn't very popular.

What do they have in Bulgaria, the Soviet's etc, not much really. They dedicate there lives to weight lifting, it's more of an option there & a way out.


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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2011, 05:57:16 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg</a>
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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2011, 06:09:18 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg</a>

horrible form, i suggest he contact Jim Moser or Mark Rippetoe.

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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2011, 07:54:13 pm »
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A way out?

America is embarrassed for you

You know what I mean.

Bernard Hopkins & many other boxers found a way out of the ghetto through boxing.

I know of many peasant farmers that found a way out through road cycling, particularly those on the European continent.



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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2011, 04:13:12 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg</a>

horrible form, i suggest he contact Jim Moser or Mark Rippetoe.

Trololololol.

A lot of people confuse prettiness with efficiency. John did an efficient but ugly looking 191 clean and jerk with a 227.5 front squat. Dimas did a pretty but rather inefficient 215 clean and jerk with a 280 front squat. Rybakou's snatch looks a bit funky but that doesn't stop him from being probably the best snatcher by sinclair for the last 10 years.

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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2011, 04:14:39 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpwMI7EH8Cg</a>

horrible form, i suggest he contact Jim Moser or Mark Rippetoe.

Trololololol.

A lot of people confuse prettiness with efficiency. John did an efficient but ugly looking 191 clean and jerk with a 227.5 front squat. Dimas did a pretty but rather inefficient 215 clean and jerk with a 280 front squat. Rybakou's snatch looks a bit funky but that doesn't stop him from being probably the best snatcher by sinclair for the last 10 years.

lol he was joking bro, i put that up there because it pretty much destroyed their argument against glenn.
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Re: Internet douchebaggery by Mark Rippetoe and Jim Moser
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2011, 04:30:29 am »
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When you see the vast amounts of money that is involved in other sports such as soccer, basketball, baseball, football etc, it's easy to understand why weightlifting isn't very popular.

What do they have in Bulgaria, the Soviet's etc, not much really. They dedicate there lives to weight lifting, it's more of an option there & a way out.

I think the biggest thing is the comparatively small number of weightlifters training professionally and solely as weightlifters in the USA compared to somewhere like China. There are about 12 pro weightlifters in the USA and in Russia they have more than that in each weightclass.

Talent matters less in weightlifting than being willing, and able, to train 20 hours a week with a ridiculous intensity and mutliple sessions per day while also being able to get 9-10 hours of sleep every night.

If anyone's interested here's a really good podcast fromthe 70s big guys and Glenn
http://www.70sbig.com/blog/2011/05/podcast-ep-3-glenn-pendlay/