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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2011, 05:19:25 am »
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2011, 08:07:39 am »
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JC - Sorry man I can't see those images.  But I'm definitely curious!

Also, I'm seriously considering posting a little progress vid for you guys that shows over ~40 " vert.

But before I even think about that let's make sure you verify that the rim is 10':



I measured this on site...   I should have made a video of the measuring.

Let me know if you confirm you believe or can tell it's 10' with your jedi tricks.

Maybe you guys are right, maybe it'll be a good thing to post it...

I'll definitely show you tonite though Andrew... unless you disapprove of the rim... then I'll just need to make footage of the measuring process.

But if you disapprove that rim... your just wrong.


Rip - Fair enough, I thnk we do well because all our athletes get results.  IMO you don't have to choose one or the other.  Serve people well and people will pay you for it.  Andrew doesn't really even have a product yet but this forum is pretty dang good.

JC - I can't see those pics so I don't know what you're talking about.

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How many people have you coached in person who have been measured, by you, to 40" or more on vert? How many people have you coached in person, in general? How are the indian high jumpers doing? You got any footage of them?

You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right? You only see 1 or 2 40" RVJ's in the nba combine, and even then sometimes nobody gets to 40..

I've coached countless people in person... in Africa I'm training entire teams and I've seen several 40" from more or less "untrained" athletes... but I wouldn't say I'm responsible for those.

And yes I did train with Indian athletes at the Sports Authority of India for a about a 3 month period.

I don't do much footage yet, but I should.  I have still pics with the Indian high jumpers and power lifters.  As well as some footage when I accompanied them to their meet. 

I also have pictures with most of the coaches whose teams I worked with and some pics with the players or during their games.

I should make more vids though, I should have my wife come and video the sessions - which we've thought about doing.

Why I have worked with many in person 40" verts the massive number of athletes we can work with online makes it easier to get big numbers, but I respect your claim that they need video progress logs.  I'm going to start having people do that.  I think it's a good idea...

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Sorry I was out all day, so I couldn't take you up on your skype offer, maybe tomorrow who knows.. I'd be interested for sure.

Let's do it tonite... just confirm that pic.

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You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right?

I don't think they are as rare as you do...

I do think they are rare in the NBA... I've said as much all the time.

They are all over the NFL, and more prevalent in volleyball as well.

NBA verts are not good overall.  Tall folks with long arms make use think they jump higher than they do.

In the same way that you guys are surprised at me, I'm surprised you have all been training for years and not hit 40" running vert yet.  I admire your dedication, but it just seems like so many stay in the same place.

If you guys say a vid of me jumping over 40" would be good, I'm strongly considering it.

I would be happy to be more of a participant in this forum... Or to be on cooperative terms with some of the trainer here.

Let's do this.. Andrew tonite we'll skype, and then maybe I'll consider posting it... of course to my Youtube first :)  Then to here.

Deal?

But you have to check the rim, because I don't want to post the vid only to have you go back and say it's a 9'8" rim ;)  if you think it's low I'll just have to measure it on video for you. 





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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2011, 08:16:01 am »
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I can't see those images at all.  They see they are protected or something.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2011, 08:19:09 am »
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After all didn't Link and even SquatDr. have legit stuff of over 40" and don't ya'll still hate on them?


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #66 on: April 30, 2011, 10:22:53 am »
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JC - Sorry man I can't see those images.  But I'm definitely curious!

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Also, I'm seriously considering posting a little progress vid for you guys that shows over ~40 " vert.

But before I even think about that let's make sure you verify that the rim is 10':



I measured this on site...   I should have made a video of the measuring.

Let me know if you confirm you believe or can tell it's 10' with your jedi tricks.

Maybe you guys are right, maybe it'll be a good thing to post it...

looks ~10' from that pic







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I'll definitely show you tonite though Andrew... unless you disapprove of the rim... then I'll just need to make footage of the measuring process.

But if you disapprove that rim... your just wrong.


Rip - Fair enough, I thnk we do well because all our athletes get results.  IMO you don't have to choose one or the other.  Serve people well and people will pay you for it.  Andrew doesn't really even have a product yet but this forum is pretty dang good.

JC - I can't see those pics so I don't know what you're talking about.





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How many people have you coached in person who have been measured, by you, to 40" or more on vert? How many people have you coached in person, in general? How are the indian high jumpers doing? You got any footage of them?

You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right? You only see 1 or 2 40" RVJ's in the nba combine, and even then sometimes nobody gets to 40..

I've coached countless people in person... in Africa I'm training entire teams and I've seen several 40" from more or less "untrained" athletes... but I wouldn't say I'm responsible for those.

And yes I did train with Indian athletes at the Sports Authority of India for a about a 3 month period.

I don't do much footage yet, but I should.  I have still pics with the Indian high jumpers and power lifters.  As well as some footage when I accompanied them to their meet.  

I also have pictures with most of the coaches whose teams I worked with and some pics with the players or during their games.

I should make more vids though, I should have my wife come and video the sessions - which we've thought about doing.

yup need more footage, would only help your case, makes no sense.




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Why I have worked with many in person 40" verts the massive number of athletes we can work with online makes it easier to get big numbers, but I respect your claim that they need video progress logs.  I'm going to start having people do that.  I think it's a good idea...

kids/people are eager to claim 40+ vert's and they have no clue of measuring, or they inflate like crazy..





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Sorry I was out all day, so I couldn't take you up on your skype offer, maybe tomorrow who knows.. I'd be interested for sure.

Let's do it tonite... just confirm that pic.

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You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right?

I don't think they are as rare as you do...

I do think they are rare in the NBA... I've said as much all the time.

They are all over the NFL, and more prevalent in volleyball as well.

so you're telling me you've trained 100's of people to nfl-level power (off a run for example)?? nfl running verts are not much higher than their standing, but those guys are insanely powerful, they are the cream of the crop.. you think everyone in the nfl has a 40 inch vert? their inflated verts (by 2-4") every year in the nfl combine still doesn't make up the majority of the people tested, their are hundreds of athletes tested at the nfl combine and only say ~5% or so will have inflated (weak reach measurement) 40+ inch standing verts. Guy's are pulling off 40+" verts standing 6' and only hitting 11'-11'2 etc, come on now.




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NBA verts are not good overall.  Tall folks with long arms make use think they jump higher than they do.

for the most part nba reach is accurate, that's why..




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In the same way that you guys are surprised at me, I'm surprised you have all been training for years and not hit 40" running vert yet.  I admire your dedication, but it just seems like so many stay in the same place.

no one around here has stayed in the same place.. the only one who has stayed in the same place here is you, using the same old lines since 2008 to try and duck & dodge having to put footage out.. in 2008 i landed my first dunks of my life, using a very easily palmed ball getting barely half my hand over, since then i've gone passed mid forearm TWICE, the first time in early 2010, then detrained completely bringing me back to the starting point (barely touching 10'2), and now back up again in even less time.

so let's relax a little bit when saying people "seem to stay in the same place"...

people who don't b.s. , journal, and post weekly vid progress don't have any room to lie, very hard to do.. very easy to lie from your end, very very easy.. you have no documented progress, workout logs, or anything over the entire course of your coaching career.. very easy to sit over there and act like people are "staying in the same place".

so you're telling me I could have made more progress using the jump manual?

you live in a different reality, a fabricated one, where vertical is easy to achieve.. take someone on this forum who has been struggling with gaining vert, in the journals section, and get them to 40.. if you do i wouldn't be anything but supportive, just make sure they document by journaling/occasional video.................. but why isn't anybody doing jump manual in journals section? If it TRULY was as effective as you claim, there'd be alot of leg pressing going on around here...... where are all the jump manual /leg pressers in the journal section? there's basically zero...

can you link me to some semi-detailed journals of people who have used jump manual and made their gains? and then link me to some videos, so i can actually see their progress?

that's what happens in the real world for people who are reading this but don't understand what's going on.. the online "coaching community" doesn't have much of that.. when i coach in person, i have journals/workout notebooks etc, and footage of people going from point A to point Z.. pre-testing footage, peri/post testing footage, and i'm able to link it to their journal..

show me logs, show me progress, show me videos.. don't show me "oh hey bro jumped 50 today thanks so much !!!!!!!!!!! xoxoxoxo" etc.. show me people pre and post testing.

so don't mention people "staying in the same place" unless you're ready to, again, back that up..

if improving vert was as easy as you'd like people to think, you'd see people dunking everywhere.. people would just be hopping out the planet every time i go to a court.. the fact is, i'm usually only 1 of 2 people under 6'5 dunking at any court i go to.. and there's lots of talent around here, tons of athletes, this is south florida.. i go to parks all the time and you rarely see me posting footage of other people dunking, it's rare even when the courts are packed.. and believe me, if the cam is on, and people can hop, they will come try and 1-up me, it rarely ever happens.. the ironic thing is, about that, everywhere i go people are talking about the jump manual, but where's the 40's???




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If you guys say a vid of me jumping over 40" would be good, I'm strongly considering it.

I would be happy to be more of a participant in this forum... Or to be on cooperative terms with some of the trainer here.

Let's do this.. Andrew tonite we'll skype, and then maybe I'll consider posting it... of course to my Youtube first :)  Then to here.

Deal?

But you have to check the rim, because I don't want to post the vid only to have you go back and say it's a 9'8" rim ;)  if you think it's low I'll just have to measure it on video for you.  


sounds good, it would help to legitimize your own athletic claims which  you use to try and legitimize the jump manual, it has nothing actually to do with the jump manual itself or the other issues, but people would get off your back about 1 major issue that's for sure...

we'll see though, if you jump as high as you say you do currently, should be easy to impress people on here with your athleticism...............................................

anyway, imo you should just post a vid, if the rim is 10' or even 9'10-9'11, and you're jumping 42, it would easily impress anyone on here or on youtube.. that is if you're jumping 42" and not 30".. but however you want to post vid that's up to you, if you need me to check it prior to uploading then go for it.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2011, 10:50:52 am »
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--- Most coaches use a vertec etc...

I live a very different life style...

I've lived and trained in over 19 countries in the last 2.5 years.

Everything from training teams, to coaches, to consulting for organizations.

Almost all my "on the road" assessments are done with a myotest device.

I also carry a decent amount of training implements on the road with us.

If I had an "in house" setup it would be easier to video and document more stuff, but I need to do it.

I need to bite the bullet and get a tripod but we have minimal space... those things are huge.

I do have a lot of still pics.

We're putting on a camp in London in August.

We've sponsored and been hired by international sports teams and leagues...

Basically we move to a country stay there, work for a month or so then move onto another.  In nearly every country we stay in we work with teams athletes and coaches at a high level.

No we are in Ethiopia and I've been working with one of their Division 1 pro teams... in Rwanda, and Uganda we did the same.  In Ghana I worked primarily with other coaches and a few players.  the team we worked with in Uganda is one of the top contenders in all of Africa.  In India I worked with the Sports Authority of India and did a lot of various jobs as they used me in every area... even boxing, which admittedly was a first for me.  But I mostly worked with the national team basketball players, coaches, and the lifters.  This list can go on...  and will continue.  We are on our way to Cairo next week and will be meeting with professional basketball teams and coaches.

I need to get the camera in and take more pics... but you I do have a handful of still pics in several of the places.

My wife is much better at taking pics than I am... but I think I need a tripod... my small iphone tripod just wont' cut it.

I didn't really know this is what I would be doing... it just kind of happened, and it's fun.  While I do a lot of training and teaching myself I also learn a lot about the training methods from each area, and integrate it into my own approach.

My own personal progress would of course be better if I stayed at home or in one place with a good facility and a solid and more steady diet.  

We started in Germany, then went to Macedonia, Bulgaria, then to Greece, Israel, Palestine,  Morocco, Argentina, NYC (US), Spain,  China, Thailand, England, Ghana, India, Italy, Turkey, Uganda, Rwanda, Ethiopia...

We've been doing a ton of "on site" training and consulting.

This year we are taking it to another level and we will basically have a travelling training lab... with EMG, Goniometer, Accelerometer... so we will be able to get into research a little more as we are on the road.

Right now I'm young and have the opportunity to train all over the world so I'm doing it.  We'll see how long it lasts.

Of course I crave the consistency of a gym and especially a diet - Indian and African diets... get me losing weight!  But I try and keep a nice supply of protein.

In come countries we design bodyweight workout programs only because many athletes don't have access to a gym regularly.  But we make the training setup and environment very competitive and measurable.  It's a lot of fun.

In India I brought elastic implements and bought chains locally then did small seminars with their coaches on how to properly incorporate accommodating resistance - I have done this in other places as well.

I have really enjoyed using the Myotest to take some of the higher level athletes through more thorough assessment.  I worked with an athlete from The Congo who jumped well over 40 inches... I actually planned to do a video session with him to post on youtube but the team had a sort of "emergency" and we didn't get it... I'm still going to try and get him to film it independently.. this kid is EXTREMELY talented.  One of his practice rims is 10'6" (I measured) and he was dunking it 2 handed with ease.

I get to see and work with TONS of athletes form all different levels and backgrounds... my current setup is NOT like that of you or Lance, or a Defranco gym...



Adarq... let's get that skype going...

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2011, 11:04:37 am »
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anyway, imo you should just post a vid, if the rim is 10' or even 9'10-9'11, and you're jumping 42, it would easily impress anyone on here or on youtube.. that is if you're jumping 42" and not 30".. but however you want to post vid that's up to you, if you need me to check it prior to uploading then go for it.

I measure it with a tape measure... it's 10'...

But call it 9'11 you'll stil have me at 40 at least...

I think this is a fair ~42 leap... but I wanna have the ring leader check it...  Def over 40".  But closer to 42"... lol you judge...

I have the myotest but it's not useful for RVJ.  I always do some type of measuring for that.

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nfl running verts are not much higher than their standing

I don't think their running mechanics are as developed as the NBA guys...

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If it TRULY was as effective as you claim, there'd be alot of leg pressing going on around here....

You don't understand my stance on leg pressing, please watch my vid all the way through before you keep talking about that.

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so don't mention people "staying in the same place" unless you're ready to, again, back that up..

Your very knowledgeable...  I'm sorry.  I've been attacked here a bit I'm trying to hold back making attacks of my own...  Let's go easy on each other a moment eh?

You and Lance both are excellent.

No hate.. and of course I'm proud of my own training system... yes I think people inflate their numbers BUT I also think many coaches underestimate what is possible when vert is truly focused on for sustained periods of time.

I've been doing this for a VERY long time.

If I would have settled with the original results I got, I would have been calling out anyone that said they could get results faster.   But I honestly believe that better and faster results are possible.

Why don't we chill and try and establish some mutual respect?

You think I'd want to show you this vid if I wasn't sure it was over 40"? 

Of course I'm showing it to people who have called my other pics "shopped" and so we have to get verification from the ring leader... or else I'll have to get a different one.

I'm on skype right now.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2011, 11:06:08 am »
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uhhhhhg........................................................

I mean I really can't see those images.. it gives me an error from imageshack... maybe it's my country IP?

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2011, 11:10:42 am »
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i"ve read every post in this topic and jacob it just seems like your going around in circles you keep bringing up that you have done this and done that so on so on but seriously, no one cares because you don't have anything to back up your claim and at the end of the day anyone can talk them selves up but people will only believe if proof is show so stop with the b.s and just post a video simple as that

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« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2011, 11:14:35 am »
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i"ve read every post in this topic and jacob it just seems like your going around in circles you keep bringing up that you have done this and done that so on so on but seriously, no one cares because you don't have anything to back up your claim and at the end of the day anyone can talk them selves up but people will only believe if proof is show so stop with the b.s and just post a video simple as that

I think that's what's in the process of going down Sam.. thanks for your support.

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« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2011, 11:18:11 am »
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its probably going to be the most anticipated video this forum will have 

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« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2011, 11:24:38 am »
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its probably going to be the most anticipated video this forum will have

So if I post a video of me jumping over 40" approved by ADARQ... then you guys will cut me some slack?

Maybe say some nice things... ?

Maybe have your criticism be a little more constructive?

Ok... will you take it easy on me or genuinely believing squat flex has it's uses?

IF this is true... this is pretty much a done deal.

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« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2011, 11:31:08 am »
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i definitely think you will gain a lot of respect and silence a few if your vertical is legit.. come on man hurry it up its nearly 2am on my side of the world and ive got a bball game tomorrow lol