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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 05:13:25 pm »
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So are there any scientifically proven adaptations from these god-like extreme-isos?

I've looked but havn't found any.. the closest thing you'll get to iso extreme studies are the kaatsu training studies that RJ talked about on db.

they showed an increase in IGF-1/anaerobic enzymes/mitochondria after 3 minutes, if I'm not mistaken.

We should have a kaatsu/LDISO peer review thread :F

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 05:14:56 pm »
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"I started off my career with grossly obese women, you had to be 365 lb plus to enter the program. I trained them exactly the same way as my system exists today. And within 6.5-9.5 months, these were 160 lb women. No special diet, obviously eating well, whatever well means to people, to me it means eating a little bit of everything. Uhm, with enough time in between, and training hard enough to stimulate your physiology enough to use it." -- JS



He claimed top only use extreme isos with them...

How come no extreme isos in the general fitness program.  If anyone could benefit from general fitness it would be the grossly obese...

Also, can you picture 365 lb obese women doing iso extremes?

I'm picturing it, and my brain is roflcoptering.









365 lb obese woman performing iso extreme squat:


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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 07:49:28 pm »
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So are there any scientifically proven adaptations from these god-like extreme-isos?

I've looked but havn't found any.. the closest thing you'll get to iso extreme studies are the kaatsu training studies that RJ talked about on db.

they showed an increase in IGF-1/anaerobic enzymes/mitochondria after 3 minutes, if I'm not mistaken.

We should have a kaatsu/LDISO peer review thread :F


IMO the purpose of Iso extremes was to optimize length-tension relationships of the body. Thats why they had to be held for time. Most ppl just sit and sit some more, Iso extremes simply put people in optimal/proper position for moving.

Edit: I added the quote.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2010, 09:18:26 pm by mattyg35 »

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 08:06:27 pm »
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IMO the purpose of Iso extremes was to optimize length-tension relationships of the body. Thats why they had to be held for time. Most ppl just sit and sit some more, Iso extremes simply put people in optimal/proper position for moving.

right, but that's not what's in question here.. what's in question is Schroeder's tactics & bullsh*t.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 04:12:04 am »
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"What they learned, after they were very young, takes on a whole new meaning because they watched their fathers mothers brothers sisters friends and they do something because it becomes more comfortable to do it this way. They no longer move like they are supposed too. As an example, if anyone has any very young children, just watch them jump off a swing, they never land with their knees forward, they never land bent forward, they land with their upper torso erect, lower legs perpendicular to the ground, on the balls of their feet, see because that's the natural way that we do it. "

ya?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMgqr-JcXSU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMgqr-JcXSU</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SC9Ba9cxXo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SC9Ba9cxXo</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6tDyNcHyik" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6tDyNcHyik</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5m9rx5B3FI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5m9rx5B3FI</a>

idno.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 04:27:34 am »
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"Coach I have an 81 year old gentleman, weighs 172 lb, he'll walk in, no warmup nothing, and lift 660-675, no problems. He works out 3 days a week, he owns 17 companies, he t akes an active roll in all of them. Now, people will say, especially on a deadlifts, or cleans maybe, that you can only do them heavy every 3-10 days, depending on what part of the country you're in. Let me tell you, he'll deadlift 15-20 maximal reps each of these 3 days during the week. If he happens to come in on a 4th day because he doesn't have to go out of town for business, he'll do exactly the same thing. There are no easy days, there are no light days, there are no easy days, it's always maximal effort." -- JS


CREDIBILITY -> DESTROYED


450 @ age 71, PL record:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSvUMkQTrPo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSvUMkQTrPo</a>




http://www.ipapower.com/WR/M220.htm

Well, one guy at age 80 pulled 195. SO IT *IS* POSSIBLE that darn 650.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 04:35:51 am »
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"Myself personally, I'll overtrain by 10% on a regular basis, every single day, multiple sessions, whatever it is that I do." -- JS


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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 05:03:50 am »
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Damn , why wasnt this topic opened as a poll?
Im sure we would have an amazing number of "Yes" in the scammer question!!!
I would do an extreme 5' iso hold on the mouse button clicking yes , hahahaha :D
woot

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 05:12:19 am »
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Damn , why wasnt this topic opened as a poll?
Im sure we would have an amazing number of "Yes" in the scammer question!!!
I would do an extreme 5' iso hold on the mouse button clicking yes , hahahaha :D

ya AlexV didn't follow directions!

forfuxsake.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 05:13:07 am »
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"It was 43 attempts on a max bench in one hour. The individual completed 37 of them, uhhh correctly, so mixed 6 reps. That was done, uhm, 3 days in a row. [...] The control for when the next rep was performed, was when heart rate was 102.  [...] At the same time he was doing it, I was doing it, and we all had the same results. Til this day right now, I can go in and do a max bench press, my heart rate will go up, i'm 52 years old, my heart rate will go up to 202 to 205, and within 15 seconds, i'm 120. " -- JS


his HR goes up to 205 at 52 years old, then back down to 120 within 15 seconds.

that

is

hilarious

beyond

all

belief.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2010, 05:31:11 am »
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"I took my wife, and made her a world champion powerlifter in 6 months. Within this 6 months, she was in a car accident, [...] She had shoulder surgery and knee surgery, they wanted to do back surgery, she wasn't my wife at the time but she didn't know who else to call. So I didn't let them do the back surgery, but they did the shoulder & the knee. So this is all within this 6 months and she became a world champion. Not once did we bench press, did we squat, or did we deadlift. NOT ONCE!" -- JS






"Do we have a martial arts person. Well just the basic horse stance in martial arts, I mean I've had some martial art's people who will stand there for 2-3 hours at a time." -- JS

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 05:48:47 am »
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talking about this kid kyle, who is 5'7.5":

"He can stand next to a 6 foot block wall, and, dipping his legs 3% of his total height, get high enough to jump over that wall. " -- JS



"When I was in the eastern block, I watched people step off of heights 15-23 feet high and land in a squat position, lower legs perpendicular, upper torso erect, head in line with the body, arms either crossed in front or at the side. " -- JS



talking about some kid who was afraid to squat, ready to get in to the nfl, from UPENN, who had horrible speed:

"We had 3 weeks, here's all we did for his legs: At the time, I had a 1986 Dodge Ram Charger [...] We would climb onto the top of it [...] and we would do one, as I call it, altitude drop, per day. Now, not only did he run faster, he went from a 4.74 to a 4.59, but he was able to squat over 500 lb without having squat in, I don't know, 5 or 6 years, all through college at least. All we did was one of those per day." -- JS

^ ahahah, after that, referring to that system: "High velocity, High Load, and it's high volume just because the load is so high, the amount of work was huge."

then some fucking d-bag goes:

"Right."

still going on about that:

"I trained dogs for sled pulling. I trained them in exactly the same way. We had a dog, an Alaskan Malamute, and the dogs were from canada, because real Malamute's are very large. They'll weight 190 to 240 lb. And uh, mine was 194 lb. female." -- JS


MALAMUTES DONT WEIGHT 190-240 LB... WTF. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

This is a perfect example of how bad this guy exaggerates. He takes every number and just mangles the living fuck out of it.





ridiculous.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2010, 06:07:37 am »
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"I mean Chris, you've seen me, from my motorcycle accident, I can only lift my left arm to parallel, yet on a bench press you'd never know it. You would never understand. I have no connective tissue in my right knee, yet I'll walk out there and run with my guys, at 252 lb, 49 years old, I ran a 4.42 40. I can pedal a bicycle from 0 to 42 mph in a velodrome. " -- JS



"My best standing long jump, and this is all after my motorcycle accident, was 11'4". I could jump all the way across a driveway, without touching either end. " -- JS



"I could stuff a basketball behind my head, and I'm your basic 5'10 white guy you know? HEH. " -- JS




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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 06:18:31 am »
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"I'll give you some examples, uhh, high school football players, in 3 months of doing nothing but iso extremes at the greatest joint angle, improving 40 times from the 4.7 to 5.0 range uhh when they started, to the 4.4-4.6 range, AT THE SAME TIME, putting on 26-42 lb bodyweight." -- JS

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2010, 10:16:39 am »
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Reading this is just hilarious, I mean besides the obvious fact that it is impossible to do what this guy is doing, he actually believes he's really doing it and people actually buy into him.