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(Disclaimer: There is no way I can prove 100% these posts were from Kelly Baggett, but considering the age is the same and the posts have a link to his personal website in the signature, I think it is more than reasonable to assume they are by him. Also, I am not sure if Kelly was prescribed any of these drugs by a doctor, but the posts in question show signs of serious drug abuse for not only himself, but possibly for athletes he has trained. These posts were on the forums Anabolicminds.com and Mindandmuscle.net between the years 2002-2005. Again, I am not 100% sure these posts were done by Kelly Baggett)


This Call Out is a bit different than most. Although I do have my doubts, this call out is not doubting the jumping ability of Kelly Baggett, the marketing for any of his programs or the quality of any of his work. This "call out" is about Kelly's usage of performance enhancing drugs and other drugs.

I was browsing through Anabolic Minds and I was shocked to find this post by a user named KellyB. Considering the user is 37 years old,  it got my curious.



Here the User KellyB is admitting to usage of RX Testosterone (mainly used for hormone therapy and not performance enhancement, but it's still something) and a prohormone known as 4-AD. Seeing this post upset me, because Kelly Baggett is a very reputable poster on athletic training/weight lifting forums, and his own personal story of increasing his vertical jump from 23 inches to 42 is inspiring to many. The fact that it was possibly tainted by drug use made me angry. I decided to look into this more, and to be honest, Kelly Baggett's own vertical jump became the least of my concerns.

I was shocked to find more posts by Kellyb, talking about even more pro hormone use



Obviously, being curious, I looked at every post of KellyB on anabolic minds




Just more admission of different Pro Hormone Use. While disappointing, pro hormones are legal; but for someone who is inspiring to athletes, it is very heart breaking. I found one more post that blew my mind.



Now I am not accusing anyone of anything, but the fact that KellyB is asking about how long a drug will stay in an athletes system alarms me, especially considering this guy is training athletes. I'll let you draw your own conclusions about that, because I do not want to risk falsely accusing anyone of anything.


After Seeing the posts on Anabolic Minds, I decided to check other "steroid" sites I knew. Kelly Baggett (assumingly), is an avid poster on Mind and Muscle. Some of his older posts shocked me

On the forum, one athlete asked how to pass a drug test even though he took the PED ephedrine. KellyB responded


It's disappointing that a S/C coach is helping some kid cheat the system.









Another post I saw that confused me was that apparently KellyB was obese.



Never heard this in his stories.

The fact that KellyB formerly was obese explains a lot of his other posts on the forum (which I will show you). Take a look at some of these. It seems like he may have some serious body image issues.



T3 is a very dangerous drug. It's synthetic thyroid hormone that's used by hardcore bodybuilders to lose weight.



In this post he is talking about his mother using T3/T4. Not sure if she (or kelly himself) is prescribed these drugs, but seems kind of fishy.







Alright, just more posts of him admitting to (legal) performance enhancing drugs and other stuff. It seems like KellyB has serious body image issues to be using all of this stuff.



In this one, KellyB is pretty much saying you need drugs to diet. What kind of S/C coach is saying stuff like this?

But I was shocked, seriously, to find this one post


In this post he is talking about abusing anti depressants. Not only is he taking them, he is snorting them. This makes me very concerned, as these are signs of drug abuse.

I think the posts speak for themselves so I don't have a lot to say. I'm not saying KellyB used PEDs to get his vert, but him using them really does put a taint on his accomplishments. But this isn't even about them. It really seems like KellyB has serious body image issues and potential drug abuse issues.

Feel free to discuss this. I ask that you keep it respectful. I would also like a response from Kelly either confirming or denying all that was said here. This post is not about Kelly's association with Alex Maroko. I've expressed my disappointment in that already.



Ref:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5418020

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=15998&st=0&p=227850&hl=kellyb&fromsearch=1&#entry227850

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showuser=123
« Last Edit: March 08, 2011, 06:19:55 am by JC »
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Blown away, wtf?

As for the pics being small, people who want to read them will need to learn how to zoom in on their browsers, on mac this is usually %+ to zoom in and then %- to zoom out. For windows, unsure.

Anyway, if there is any good that comes out of this, it will be KellyB's truthful response on these issues & how it affected him. I mean, it makes alot more sense now given his knee/joint issues if what has been posted is true. From the posts above and from the links provided, it actually seems like the kellyb mentioned above is an "addict", addicted to steroids, prohormones, hormones for fat loss, herbal crap, and pretty much everything under the sun, it's as if he has "tried everything", like a lab rat of sorts. Snorting anti depressants? What the f**k? There's alot more info in the links provided if anyone is interested, it really is hundreds of posts regarding steroid/prohormone/hormone/herbal usage, fat loss, and occasionally defeating drug testing. The comment about "not even trying to diet without anabolic assistance" is particularly crazy, wtf? Taking t3 for fat loss wtf? I really hope he's clean of any of that shit, but I remember I had shown kb's latspread pic and some other pic to a coach who knows alot about roids/ped's, not even thinking about that angle, and the first thing he said was "looks like he just came off a cycle of .... ", I laughed thinking b.s., ...

I urge anyone reading this thread to never dabble in PED's/roids/<insert_chemical_here> etc. Seriously, enjoy the journey but stay clean, you'll be alot healthier for it. Also, this shit is hard work, if you're clean - performance gains come slowly -> but you can achieve an amazing transformation if you put in hard work and realize it's a long road, taking the "easy route" could very well cause serious issues, especially if you "think you know what you're doing but actually don't".

Anyway don't know what else to say yet, curious to see the response.

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1.  First off people change a lot -- even if this is the same kellyb his ideas and thoughts towards steroids could have changed...

2.  Secondly, in my opinion there is nothing wrong about steroids/other performance enhancers.

they are a huge taboo subject and this is because the 50 year long witch hunt that has taken place in the government.
they should be legal and they could help many people live longer, healthier, and happier lives.
unless you over-use they shouldn't cause health problems at all.

as verkhoshansky famously said, "nature has provided man with the possiblity to enhance his abilities in extreme situations, and we need to utilize it in the training of the high class athlete"

this could be extended to peds... they are just another tool
just like weight training and plyometrics they can help you perform better than you naturally could.


Lastly, as Charlie Francis said, in the olympics, if you want to see the athletes who do not use ped's just look at who came in last...
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About being obese, I believe he was referring to the person he was talking to. I don't think he was speaking in the first-person.
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About being obese, I believe he was referring to the person he was talking to. I don't think he was speaking in the first-person.
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but being a formerly obese person coming down you...

True. Need some clarification from kelly
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[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
[7:31pm] adarq: daily




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1.  First off people change a lot -- even if this is the same kellyb his ideas and thoughts towards steroids could have changed...

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2.  Secondly, in my opinion there is nothing wrong about steroids/other performance enhancers.

Well if you read KB's posts on those forums, there's definitely something wrong steroids/ped's if you're using hardcore thyroid hormones to cut weight and you're already light + snorting ped's, then it's a major problem. Nothing says "healthy" about those posts imo.



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they are a huge taboo subject and this is because the 50 year long witch hunt that has taken place in the government.
they should be legal and they could help many people live longer, healthier, and happier lives.
unless you over-use they shouldn't cause health problems at all.

When they are abused they are the antithesis of "live longer, healthier, and happier lives".



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as verkhoshansky famously said, "nature has provided man with the possiblity to enhance his abilities in extreme situations, and we need to utilize it in the training of the high class athlete"

this could be extended to peds... they are just another tool
just like weight training and plyometrics they can help you perform better than you naturally could.

verkhoshansky's work regarding shock/stim/supermethods and that quote you mentioned was to try and provide effective means of training that did not require PED's.. verk's quote is anti ped's, ie, nature has provided us already with the tools, there is no need to dope up, it's stated in supermethods and within many of verk's texts/on the forum.





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Lastly, as Charlie Francis said, in the olympics, if you want to see the athletes who do not use ped's just look at who came in last...

R.I.P

Much respect to CF, but he was a cheater & promoted cheating. Statements like his do a disservice to the sport, because for all we know tyson gay could be entirely clean, so to could be usain bolt, though I have my doubts. Bottom line, it's easy for "cheaters" to justify what they have done to try and save face. Drug testing will continue to improve but gene doping will pretty much put an end to all hopes of a natural competitive field.

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Much respect to CF, but he was a cheater & promoted cheating. Statements like his do a disservice to the sport, because for all we know tyson gay could be entirely clean, so to could be usain bolt, though I have my doubts. Bottom line, it's easy for "cheaters" to justify what they have done to try and save face. Drug testing will continue to improve but gene doping will pretty much put an end to all hopes of a natural competitive field.

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Really well put. You're right, under the current rules PEDs are not allowed, and those that do use them are breaking the rules. That is, they're cheating. Doesn't matter how widespread it is, they're still gaining an unfair advantage over those who refuse to cheat. Some would argue that Charlie Francis and other coaches who promote or facilitate PED use among elite athletes are simply realists, that in order to give their athletes the best chance of winning in a competitive environment where cheating is prevalent, they have to play the game. They're probably right -- what do I know, I'm no elite athlete or coach -- but it doesn't make the cheating any less unethical.

All that being said, I'm personally of the opinion that PEDs should be allowed if they can be shown to be reasonably safe. As JC said, they're just another tool for enhancing performance, like Tiger Woods' lasik surgery or lighter spikes for the track. I'm not philosophically opposed to them. Any line that's drawn between "legal" and "illegal" PEDs is arbitrary, so it seems lie people who argue against "PED" use are just drawing an imaginary line in the sand based on their own prejudices.

Is albuterol a PED? What if you're asthmatic? What if you're really mildly asthmatic?
What about ritalin?
What about caffeine?
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Much respect to CF, but he was a cheater & promoted cheating. Statements like his do a disservice to the sport, because for all we know tyson gay could be entirely clean, so to could be usain bolt, though I have my doubts. Bottom line, it's easy for "cheaters" to justify what they have done to try and save face. Drug testing will continue to improve but gene doping will pretty much put an end to all hopes of a natural competitive field.

peace

Really well put. You're right, under the current rules PEDs are not allowed, and those that do use them are breaking the rules. That is, they're cheating. Doesn't matter how widespread it is, they're still gaining an unfair advantage over those who refuse to cheat. Some would argue that Charlie Francis and other coaches who promote or facilitate PED use among elite athletes are simply realists, that in order to give their athletes the best chance of winning in a competitive environment where cheating is prevalent, they have to play the game. They're probably right -- what do I know, I'm no elite athlete or coach -- but it doesn't make the cheating any less unethical.

All that being said, I'm personally of the opinion that PEDs should be allowed if they can be shown to be reasonably safe. As JC said, they're just another tool for enhancing performance, like Tiger Woods' lasik surgery or lighter spikes for the track. I'm not philosophically opposed to them. Any line that's drawn between "legal" and "illegal" PEDs is arbitrary, so it seems lie people who argue against "PED" use are just drawing an imaginary line in the sand based on their own prejudices.

Is albuterol a PED? What if you're asthmatic? What if you're really mildly asthmatic?
What about ritalin?
What about caffeine?

here's a list since 2004, apparently caffeine is now off the list, but they can still dq you based on some amount, seems blurry:

http://www.theathlete.org/banned_drugs/index.html

can't find the official ioc/wada list in my quick search.


If PED's were allowed in sport, I wouldn't have a problem with them, i'd have a problem with athletes/youngins` abusing them to an "unhealthy" degree. Since they are banned in sport, I have a real problem with people using them to gain an edge or coaches administering them to gain an edge. Until that changes, I lose most respect for athletes who dope and coaches who prescribe/allow their athletes to dope.

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Those were rhetorical questions, btw.

i was answering your rhetoricals

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If PED's were allowed in sport

You say this like a absolute force like god would come in and say "they are not allowed". And that's it, you can't do anything about it. It's still PEOPLE that decided they shouldn't be allowed. The question is - who are these people that they feel they're entitled to limit human performance to the kind of performance without PEDs? Is that more ethical than to use PEDs? Why?

These are complex questions that I don't feel are easy to answer.

It would be cool to be able to perform in a drug free and drug-not-so-free athletic world. Like, heck, if I want to give my 100%+ performance, I should be allowed the free will to choose to use drugs.

The problem is - young people might be forced by their coaches to use the drugs and therefore destroy their liver etc without them really making that decision. That's the real problem.

But if you keep PEDs banned, they become an even more "temptation" since the forbidden fruit is always sweeter.

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Quote from: adarqui
If PED's were allowed in sport

You say this like a absolute force like god would come in and say "they are not allowed". And that's it, you can't do anything about it. It's still PEOPLE that decided they shouldn't be allowed. The question is - who are these people that they feel they're entitled to limit human performance to the kind of performance without PEDs? Is that more ethical than to use PEDs? Why?

These are complex questions that I don't feel are easy to answer.

It would be cool to be able to perform in a drug free and drug-not-so-free athletic world. Like, heck, if I want to give my 100%+ performance, I should be allowed the free will to choose to use drugs.

The problem is - young people might be forced by their coaches to use the drugs and therefore destroy their liver etc without them really making that decision. That's the real problem.

But if you keep PEDs banned, they become an even more "temptation" since the forbidden fruit is always sweeter.



it's a witch hunt same as other drugs...i pretty much agree with everyone here...i see no problems with roids when taken safely but they shouldn't be abused...that being said i still think it's a personal choice and should be left to the individual and not to some government body to regulate what i as an ADULT(very important distinction) put in MY body...it's like anything else...if abused problems occur...heck you can OD on freaking water!

that all being said if what Jc posted is true that seems like a problem!

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@Rap

Agree w. A lot in your post except the last part about the effect of banning steroids:
One thing Ill say is I would probably be using that shit (like Creatine) if it were legal.
The illegal part also puts a stamp on the product, you asume they dont ban that sh*t for no reason and you asume that the legal sh*t aint that bad.
It might not make any real sense (which is what you pointed out in the beginning of your post) but it sure keeps the average athlete away from steroids.

You could argue that it's the same with drugs in nonathletic environments and use examples of modern society and it's drug wars etc, but I believe they don't apply.
We're talking motivated athletes here, they have a passion for a game and know wtf is at stake when they get caught 'cheating', 90% would inherently feel 'bad' about taking steroids. Those are huge barriers, wouldn't classify it as forbidden fruit/attractive even though I can see what you mean.

Reminds me of one of the more objective, fun docs on steroids, pretty decent.
 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqwsbBZCkk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqwsbBZCkk</a>
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