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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2010, 04:29:45 am »
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http://www.verticaljumpreport.com/customers_only/

ahahahahahahahah

listen to that shit...............................

ahahahahahahahahah

listen to it, he doesn't name jack woodrup, but it's obvious he's referring to him as his stalker....




That was the biggest bunch of horse shit I have ever heard in my life.  He doesnt need anybodys money yet he spends 20 minutes defending himself and quoting people to try and gain validity.  haha  I cant imagine anyone over the age of 5 years old buying into his trash but obviously it happens.  Guaranteed he just got done watching some of Shawns vids on youtube and came up with that "how can you have a 50 inch vert if you cant land it" haha what a bitch.
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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2010, 05:00:22 am »
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http://www.verticaljumpreport.com/customers_only/

ahahahahahahahah

listen to that shit...............................

ahahahahahahahahah

listen to it, he doesn't name jack woodrup, but it's obvious he's referring to him as his stalker....




That was the biggest bunch of horse shit I have ever heard in my life.  He doesnt need anybodys money yet he spends 20 minutes defending himself and quoting people to try and gain validity.  haha  I cant imagine anyone over the age of 5 years old buying into his trash but obviously it happens.  Guaranteed he just got done watching some of Shawns vids on youtube and came up with that "how can you have a 50 inch vert if you cant land it" haha what a bitch.

ya i hope he reads this thread one day, if he does, i'd like him to know that..

HE IS A STUPID FUCKING SCAMMER PIECE OF SHIT.

:P

These are the people that take s&c and completely ruin it, leading plenty of people astray for years, over and over, until the end of time, completely wasting everyone's time and setting the s&c movement back hundreds of years. People could gain more on vert just doing yard work than listening to this trashy wannabe fuck.

I love how he makes 7 million dollars, yet he's trying to sell some stupid piece of shit program to people.. sure.. he's too stupid to even realize how fucking retarded that sounds.

I'm pretty sure when he was in australia he boxed a kangaroo and lost, so maybe he has a legitimate excuse for his ugly face and massive brain damage.

If he sold luke lowrey toilet paper, with his face on each sheet, it would sell out in minutes. Too bad he hasn't realized that yet, i'd buy that shit in a heart beat.

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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2010, 05:24:59 am »
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 Im with you bro.  I STILL see threads some places where people talk about some of his "ideas" and it makes me want to vomit.  I dont know what else we can do to really change things since people will always have the mentality that there is some super secret out there to jump training and since he charges alot, his product must be great.  Maybe one day people will realize but he will already be out with a new gimmick by then and probably using another name in a whole new market.  I wonder if he would show up if I "booked" him for a session at my gym.  I dont care if I got sued or not it would be worth it to put it up on youtube.  Question number one, can you show me how to jump higher inside this little square thingy with ropes around it? 
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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2010, 05:58:02 am »
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Im with you bro.  I STILL see threads some places where people talk about some of his "ideas" and it makes me want to vomit.  I dont know what else we can do to really change things since people will always have the mentality that there is some super secret out there to jump training and since he charges alot, his product must be great.  Maybe one day people will realize but he will already be out with a new gimmick by then and probably using another name in a whole new market.  I wonder if he would show up if I "booked" him for a session at my gym.  I dont care if I got sued or not it would be worth it to put it up on youtube. 

Yea man, I used to put blame entirely on the scammers but as of this year or so, I put half of it on the stupid as fuck sheep who lack the ability to smell shit even when it's right under their nose. Most of them grow out of it as they fail on these programs, which they then research about the program and realize they got duped.

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Question number one, can you show me how to jump higher inside this little square thingy with ropes around it? 

hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! epic.



The only way to fix the industry, in my opinion, is to make so much noise that you can't help but be heard by the entire planet.. most people sell their soul to do that, which of course doesn't help anyone.. But if someone were to take plenty of athletes from say low 30's RVJ to 45 RVJ, 11+ 100m's to low 10.x 100m's, then we'd have something to work with.. For example, if Jay Schroeder's bullshit ideology actually worked, then s&c would have really been transformed, there would not be any way around it.. if iso extremes made you bionic, and there was incredible result after incredible result (instead of all failures), then the performance envelope could actually be pushed and a wide scale acceptance of these methods would take place.

I'd say the only thing that comes close to that, at this point, is Westside method. I mean, variations of that for athletics are used in nearly every performance facility, unfortunately, most of it is for show in my opinion, with people bragging about box jump improvement instead of actual vert improvement, and somehow the system turning nearly everyone into meatheads with a strongman training obsession. I have nothing against that stuff, but when I see a speed/power athlete starting to become obsessed primarily with weightlifting PR's rather than a combination of fitness, power, speed, and lifting PR's, then something is wrong with the system. I'm not saying all gyms who incorporate a westside variant do that, but i'd say the majority do. Plus, as cool as Louie is, he talks alot of bullshit with his vert/speed numbers... every youtube vid i see him on he's talking about taking a 11s 100m russian sprinter down to 10.1 or something weird along those lines, with no names, or taking some guys vert from crap to bionic, with no names. So, even if a guy as legit as louie spits mostly good info, if he tries to sell it on a soft layer of bullshit, it ends up holding back his methods, imo. I like the guy though.

Damn i'm ranting.

So ya...

One more thing: Coaches need to be athletes. That usually pisses off plenty of people, especially coaches who aren't athletes, lol.. Sure their are great coaches who were really shitty athletes, but man, if you want to take CRAPPY athletes and make them elite, then you're going to have to be able to do the same to yourself. Any coach can train an elite athlete, i mean, as much as coaches don't want to hear it, it's the truth.. Getting them to peak properly for competitions, and giving them those all so significant yet small pr's, ya that takes some good coaching.. but keeping them at a generally high level can be done so many ways, using ineffective ideology. The true task, of real s&c coaching, is to figure out how to turn all of these slow as fuck non genetic crap athletes (such as myself and many others on these forums) and turn them into elite athletes.

s&c has not figured that out yet.. Their are outliers sure, but it just doesn't happen on a consistent basis.

You can't say to your 18 year old son: "Okay timmy, you're going into athlete improvement camp now, it's going to take 2 years and absolutely everything you got, but once those two years are over, you will be transformed, guaranteed."

So if a coach can't achieve some respectable results himself, then how will he be able to truly pass that on to future clients? I'm not dissing EVERY coach, but a majority of them. I'm not even really dissing them though, it's more of a reality check statement.

I'd like to think that these results could be achieve by pretty much ANY trainee (including coaches), lack of injuries/pathologies permitting, over the course of 3-4 years:
- 40" running vert
- 10' broad jump
- 35" standing vert
- 10.9x 100m

That's where the dilemma in s&c occurs, right there.. It just isn't happening.. we as coaches need to make it happen, not just in our facilities but also on these forums, though it is much harder :D Plenty of people on TVS and on here have been making great progress, we just need to make sure that they understand the long term training plan, so they can progress over a few years and become totally transformed. Sure many aren't interested in 100m/broad jumps, but those vert goals still are what everyone should be striving for :) I think people are really starting to get it though, the last year or so on some of these forums, I see a change.. people are sticking to the basics and looking at the big picture.

We'll see, if "our message" can't spread worldwide, at least a small portion of the world will have an edge in training.

:D

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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2010, 07:32:28 am »
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 Man so much of what you said has gone through my mind over and over and the part about coaches being athletes couldnt be more true.  People dont realize how important that is.  I could read a ton of aviation novels and texts, but until I actually got in a plane and actually flew the damn thing, Im not really going to know much about it.  Ive said exactly what you said during seminars before and watched coaches that werent ever athletes get so pissed they cant stand it ( one time one actually left the room and he was the one who paid for it).  All the coaches I have had that were worth anything had been former athletes.  The ones that werent seemed to have a chip on their shoulder and in a way be jealous of us even though they were the fucking coach. 

   Louie is a good dude and "his" system comes directly out of the Science and Practice of Strength Training and Supertraining.  I know you have probably read these as well and see the differences in the interpretation of what is know the wsb system and I do too.  The template is great, the exercise choices all these dumbasses keep copying are retarded as they are designed specifically for geared lifting.  Dynamic effort day could easily be depth jumps, snatches, etc. and max effort day could be a hell of alot more jumping specific lifts than shallow, legs in a full split box squats as well.  What happens like you said is, a "coach" gets a hold of a few vids and articles from wsb and thinks he found the fucking golden spoon.  Its the principles that make that type of set up work and the specifics for powerlifting are a world away from the specifics of jump training. 
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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2010, 07:46:01 am »
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  That being said I have talked with Louie about jump specific training and he kept refrencing how high his guys could box jump.  I let him on the fact that in college alot of our best box jumpers had some of the lowest vertical jumps on the team.  He was extremely open minded and agreed with alot of what I had to say and it made me respect him even more for it.  Basically his take on things was that strength needed to be developed as quickly as possible ie. the max and repetition effort methods, and eccentric strength as well, (had some awesome points on the kinetic energy of bands for accomodating resistance vs chains which dont provide the kinetic energy during the eccentric) and once a base of strength was developed, more specific joint angles like half squats would be incorporated.  I got into a debate with him on box squats due to the lack of work in the amortization phase and he said the stretch reflex can be maintained up to several seconds in a trained lifter.  I agreed with this as I have tested it as well, but it begins dissapating immediately once the lifter sits on the box and he agreed.  What it boiled down to was he still liked box squats, I think because he popularized them so much in the US,  and I understood that.  But he has a MASSIVE amount of knowledge, and I respect how open minded he was as my intention was to argue when I first spoke to him.  Ive never got anything out of kneeling jumps either and he felt like that was a good exercise as well so we disagreed on some things but he never once said anything I was doing wouldnt work or didnt make sense so it was hard to have a disagreement with him.  But yea he goes a little overboard sometimes, I just think it more of a pride thing and definitely not to try and scam people like some of the other guys.
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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2010, 05:54:57 am »
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Man so much of what you said has gone through my mind over and over and the part about coaches being athletes couldnt be more true.  People dont realize how important that is.  I could read a ton of aviation novels and texts, but until I actually got in a plane and actually flew the damn thing, Im not really going to know much about it.

ya exactly.. it's not even like coaches would have to be a power athlete, i mean they could even be an endurance athlete, bodybuilding athlete, something.. point is, alot of these people just workout-to-workout, which is ok if you want to do that but it doesn't give you that inside perspective on how to really push your body, and what is required mentally/physically to do so.. you just can't read that in a book & apply it.

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  Ive said exactly what you said during seminars before and watched coaches that werent ever athletes get so pissed they cant stand it ( one time one actually left the room and he was the one who paid for it).  All the coaches I have had that were worth anything had been former athletes.  The ones that werent seemed to have a chip on their shoulder and in a way be jealous of us even though they were the fucking coach. 

damn! in my experience, the ones who don't train usually are the "best athletes", meaning, in my own personal dealings with them, they seem to have the most impressive stats out of anyone i know, yet no one has ever seen it.. :)

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   Louie is a good dude and "his" system comes directly out of the Science and Practice of Strength Training and Supertraining.  I know you have probably read these as well and see the differences in the interpretation of what is know the wsb system and I do too.  The template is great, the exercise choices all these dumbasses keep copying are retarded as they are designed specifically for geared lifting.  Dynamic effort day could easily be depth jumps, snatches, etc. and max effort day could be a hell of alot more jumping specific lifts than shallow, legs in a full split box squats as well.  What happens like you said is, a "coach" gets a hold of a few vids and articles from wsb and thinks he found the fucking golden spoon.  Its the principles that make that type of set up work and the specifics for powerlifting are a world away from the specifics of jump training. 

ya i definitely don't mind westside when it's applied that way.


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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2010, 06:01:22 am »
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  That being said I have talked with Louie about jump specific training and he kept refrencing how high his guys could box jump.  I let him on the fact that in college alot of our best box jumpers had some of the lowest vertical jumps on the team.  He was extremely open minded and agreed with alot of what I had to say and it made me respect him even more for it.  Basically his take on things was that strength needed to be developed as quickly as possible ie. the max and repetition effort methods, and eccentric strength as well, (had some awesome points on the kinetic energy of bands for accomodating resistance vs chains which dont provide the kinetic energy during the eccentric) and once a base of strength was developed, more specific joint angles like half squats would be incorporated.  I got into a debate with him on box squats due to the lack of work in the amortization phase and he said the stretch reflex can be maintained up to several seconds in a trained lifter.  I agreed with this as I have tested it as well, but it begins dissapating immediately once the lifter sits on the box and he agreed.  What it boiled down to was he still liked box squats, I think because he popularized them so much in the US,  and I understood that.  But he has a MASSIVE amount of knowledge, and I respect how open minded he was as my intention was to argue when I first spoke to him.  Ive never got anything out of kneeling jumps either and he felt like that was a good exercise as well so we disagreed on some things but he never once said anything I was doing wouldnt work or didnt make sense so it was hard to have a disagreement with him.  But yea he goes a little overboard sometimes, I just think it more of a pride thing and definitely not to try and scam people like some of the other guys.

Yeah he's a good dude, nice feedback btw. I sometimes wonder why he gets so big on some of these damn-near gimmick lifts/exercises, such as the kneeling jumps/kneeling oly's/kneeling box jumps. I mean, much of his info is solid, but stuff like that just confuses me.. Chains/bands = legit. Box squat = legit. Box jumps = meh. Kneeling exercises = wtf?

ps: for anyone browing, luke lowrey is a scam artist compulsive lying reject :P

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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2010, 07:42:01 pm »
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Agreed.  I hate to see him talk about that useless shit as well because it dampens all the great info he is capable of putting out.   Lol at that last part about luke lowery!   Im still shocked a grown man would make a video like that, especially somebody with that kind of income who obviously wouldnt have time to make the video due to his extensive, million dollar an hour consulting he does :).  
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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2010, 07:53:17 pm »
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Haha just read the other part about the coaches that dont train with the bad ass stats that nobody ever sees! lol, my bad I forgot about that rare breed of mysterious athletes.  Very true , they are for sure the best, no questions.
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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2010, 09:05:12 pm »
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I remember people asking NBA Players on twitter about this guy, and nobody knew who the fuck he was.

Luke is right about a bunch of the guys online though. AlexM for one

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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2010, 09:08:15 pm »
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someone should call up this patriots coach and see what lowry is talking about

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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2010, 11:25:13 pm »
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my 2 cents

I got the TVP Free off of some website, the dude had the price at $200 then, was thinking about buying it legit

the program was probably the most overthoughtout 1 I have seen, the thing said no pillow, no  dair, some window plan, ur gonna need a pool, sleep with window open..ect. but I was fooled and believed most of it

the workouts though, i have to say really do seem 2 work, they were very complicated and they looked like any other vertical program that used weights...but i think it would probably only work on advanced athletes

anyway, the more i learn, the more i know this is a piece of garbage crap shit program
scam artist with the price, a strength and conditioning coach can come up with same shit and probably cost u $30

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Re: luke f****n lowery
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2010, 05:13:15 am »
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    http://vertfreak101.com/training/showthread.php?532-The-Luke-Lowrey-Scam


    http://vertfreak101.com/training/showthread.php?533-The-Vertical-Project-scam-by-Luke-Lowrey


  Thanks Andrew.

np mang, those people are idiots.. it's almost as if they lack a high school education, they are so predictable.

"hm, i'll come on as two different people to promote myself/lowery, from the same ip, and act like two different people, but when i get caught, i'll say i'm the same person, GENIUS!!!!!"

rahtardz.

someone said something nice in that thread, about lowery "feeling like his time is running out".. i mean, i doubt he really feels that way BUT I can see how he'd be worried that he's losing plenty of potential clients because of people calling him out, such as jackw, us, pretty much everyone on any respectable vert/performance forum, etc.. He relies (as do most scammers) on a new batch of gullible yuppies every year, the 14-15 year old crowd.. it's easy to get one over on them and their parents, because parents will do alot for their kids.. what a bunch of snakes.

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