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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2010, 03:37:20 am »
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Yeah I look 150 but you've never seen my glutes.

THEY ARE HUGE! ;D

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2010, 10:57:53 am »
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I want to chime in regarding results and about how long it takes to achieve them. One thing that needs to be realized is that progress is fast in the beginning and gets slower the more advanced one becomes. Therefore it is easy to get results at first and gets harder progressively. There are two consequences to be concluded from this observation:

1) Trainers who don't get radical improvements with their clients regarding athleticism during the first months of training will probably never get any results whatsoever. They should therefore really not be in this profession. So if a coach cannot even get an athletes vertical up the first 4-6 easy inches and make him stronger and better performing on the field a few months after the trainee first showed up in what is his first serious training situation, all hope is lost. I therefore suggest that we start with calling out those who do not regularly get kids from totally untrained and useless on the field to actual athletes.

2) I hate to be the one raining on the parade, but this conclusion also implies that someone who gained 10 inches on his vertical in 1 year won't gain another 10 inches in the next one or even get remotely similar gains to that initial period. That is unless you are in fact very gifted and did not really seriously train to get such improvements. That is where the "slow progress" period begins and for many going down that road will not even be worth the trouble. Several of us are in that boat now I believe and most have decided that training is worthwhile in and off itself. I would continue to try to improve, even if my last PR was half a year ago. But we all should realize that the golden period of S&C where trainers get their clients verticals up 20 inches is very unlikely to actually ever happen. Even if such improvements are possible to obtain for a natural athlete, the costs towards the end will exceed the benefits at the end of this stage for all but the very determined or elite athletes.

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2010, 06:21:35 pm »
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I want to chime in regarding results and about how long it takes to achieve them. One thing that needs to be realized is that progress is fast in the beginning and gets slower the more advanced one becomes. Therefore it is easy to get results at first and gets harder progressively. There are two consequences to be concluded from this observation:

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1) Trainers who don't get radical improvements with their clients regarding athleticism during the first months of training will probably never get any results whatsoever. They should therefore really not be in this profession. So if a coach cannot even get an athletes vertical up the first 4-6 easy inches and make him stronger and better performing on the field a few months after the trainee first showed up in what is his first serious training situation, all hope is lost. I therefore suggest that we start with calling out those who do not regularly get kids from totally untrained and useless on the field to actual athletes.

good point, a major problem with performance facilities around here is this: they demonstrate *remarkable* improvements in the athletes training there, except, remarkable is the keyword, instead of improvements in vj/speed/important things, they see improvements in agility ladder drills and similar drills, which they pass off as performance improvements.


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2) I hate to be the one raining on the parade, but this conclusion also implies that someone who gained 10 inches on his vertical in 1 year won't gain another 10 inches in the next one or even get remotely similar gains to that initial period. That is unless you are in fact very gifted and did not really seriously train to get such improvements. That is where the "slow progress" period begins and for many going down that road will not even be worth the trouble. Several of us are in that boat now I believe and most have decided that training is worthwhile in and off itself. I would continue to try to improve, even if my last PR was half a year ago. But we all should realize that the golden period of S&C where trainers get their clients verticals up 20 inches is very unlikely to actually ever happen. Even if such improvements are possible to obtain for a natural athlete, the costs towards the end will exceed the benefits at the end of this stage for all but the very determined or elite athletes.

ya, it's definitely a long process (multi yearly).

peace man nice post.

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2010, 06:27:39 pm »
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Good posts, thanks for input.  The 1st trainer I worked with (before I got certified myself) was a bodybuilder, but didn't know anything at all.  I lost about 15lbs without dieting and I got a lot stronger, but my vert actually got worse at 1st, and then I ended up with the slight injury issues.
That's 1 thing I've tried preaching to others when people have emailed me/messaged me for advice on getting "THE PERFECT PROGRAM is they are going to see really good results to start out, if they follow something that's legit.  So I try and encourage people not to waste time, and go hard at it, and really be consistent.

I'm at a point in my own training where my strength has plateau'd and my plyos have been very limited due to my ankle that just won't seem to get better.  My weight is actually going down slightly tho, so I'm starting to see slight improvements.

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2010, 06:08:30 pm »
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when are these videos coming out mike?

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2010, 06:25:09 pm »
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Not sure on when my vids are comin out, my friend finally got a camera that he wants to use and he actually got a 'green screen' from his work, which he wants to incorporate, so now its just a matter of us getting on the same page and figuring out times and a location for us to shoot informative vids.  I have a handful of topics lined up that I want to cover, and its been taking a lot longer than I would've ever expected.

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2010, 06:37:40 pm »
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And Bmully, his starting point is around where I'd like to get lol.


wtf does that mean? i am trying to understand

p.s. in the pic of those mofo's, bitch on far right is fucking jacked!!

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2010, 09:06:07 pm »
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wish my "strength coaches" in HS would have had me do these 4 things a TON more, IMO would have made a HUGE difference in everything (football and BBALL player)

1) Sprint- all the freaking time

2)Max effort jumps - rvj,vj,broad jumps, and rebound jumps(depth jumps etc)

3) Squat and squat some more (free and supplemented with BSS too)

4) GHR GHR GHR!  didnt have good machine so on foam roller and eventually natural

Any HS athlete, do the above

would be twice the athlete i am today if i would have done these things instead of(but not limited to)
bench and more bench, more upper body, box squats, ladder drills, a million different agility drills, different "speed drils", random and un productive conditioning, any lower body lift besides the above three lifts, parachutes,
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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2010, 08:36:54 am »
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Well yes you would've... but then again, figuring it out now, you still have time to implement them.

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Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2010, 11:25:55 am »
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And Bmully, his starting point is around where I'd like to get lol.


wtf does that mean? i am trying to understand

p.s. in the pic of those mofo's, bitch on far right is fucking jacked!!

Look at the first picture. That is my ideal body until I become ronnie coleman

And I'm pretty sure the black guy is Taylor Mays. I can't really tell (no racist)
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