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Is it irresponsible for these people to increase the price of their product (to $97) after 500 donations ($20) are made?

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Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« on: May 14, 2010, 07:14:13 pm »
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Ok this has got to be one of the slimiest attempts at self promotion & marketing I have ever seen.




For those of you who are unfamiliar with this expo, here is the video that explains everything:
- http://athleticdominationexpo.s3.amazonaws.com/ADE%20Sales%20PPT.mp4

Basically, he is offering some "athletic domination package" for free, for the first 500 people who donate $20, with all money going to a haiti relief fund, but then after 500, the price of the package becomes $97.





I have no problem with donating money to haiti, or a group of people offering some kind of product in return for donations to a haiti fund, but here's what I have a problem with:

- After 500 people donate, the price of their product reaches $97

Why do that? Why not just offer the package for "FREE" with a $20 donation, forever? You claim you're not making any money from this, but uh, what happens when the product goes to $97? Of course you're making alot of money from this, you slime ball fucks.

I personally feel this is slimeball-tactics101, so with that being said, I demand that Taylor Allan and his marketing slime ball friends show PROOF that all 500 donations of $20 are going to a haiti relief fund. I see no reason why it wouldn't though, why would they (Taylor Allan, Maroko, Marketing gurus) keep any of that money? Within a few days the product will be sold for $97 each, with no money going to haiti (it has not been stated), so that's where all their bank will come rolling in.

- Promote & market using the haiti disaster, create buzz, get more subscribers/emails/members
- Price gouge the originally 'package' that was intended to help haiti, and now make all the money from it

Great strategy Taylor Allan you slime ball fuck.

The only way these guys can save face on this is to continue to offer the package for $20 with all money going to haiti, and never increasing the price for one moment, but that will never happen.



"Sales" lollololololol




Good hearted people wouldn't jack the price up to 97$ after 500 people donate, you slime ball fuck.





Why would fellow coaches recommend the price rise to $97? So far, two of them claimed they had no idea of the price rice.





If you sell out, print more, or offer more, don't price gouge using a natural disaster to make money, that's so god damn grimey man i can't even really put it into words in text.




A huge bonus for helping "Taylor Allan" and his marketing scam buddies.





The "elite 500" <-- lol... So what are the people who pay 97$, "the dumb fucks 200" ?





How many times you going to tell us, elite-500 fucking times?





bull-shit.





This is just lame:













I would like to see all 13 coaches involved publicly demand that this product stays $20 with all proceeds going to haiti, otherwise, you're just as bad as Taylor Allen & Alex Maroko



Price gouging this "package" is what makes this whole thing wreak of scammer, if it stayed $20 with all money going to haiti, there would be absolutely no problem with it.

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 08:37:20 pm »
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Allan22's excuse is gonna be "we need to donate as fast as possible thats why we limit it to 500". Fine, have the first 500 donate, donate the 10k, and then keep doing donations. I though you aren't making a penny off this and just are trying to help haiti?

He's even said before Maroko is helping him get into the "business".
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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 09:08:03 pm »
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Allan22's excuse is gonna be "we need to donate as fast as possible thats why we limit it to 500". Fine, have the first 500 donate, donate the 10k, and then keep doing donations. I though you aren't making a penny off this and just are trying to help haiti?

ya that's what i don't understand, _makes no sense_.

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He's even said before Maroko is helping him get into the "business".

lol ya..


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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 10:18:09 pm »
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from an interview with AlexV with Taylor Allen on his site: http://evolutionaryathletics.com/blogs/blog/new-interview-taylor-allan/

"***Note it is free to listen to all the interviews in the expo, including mine, however I would encourage you to donate $20 to the cause and receive the manuscripts and all of the bonuses.  As is common with catastrophes like Haiti, or New Orleans, the initial response is great but as time moves on we tend to forget about those in need.  There is still a ton of work to be done and an enormous amount of people in need.  Taylor is a stand up guy and this is a stand up cause.***"

  • I agree that it is a stand up cause, but I disagree that Taylor Allan is a stand up guy IF after 500 people donate he's profiting big with the 97$ price jump.
  • How is it a not for profit if the price jumps after 500 people donate? Am I missing something here? Maybe I'm retarded (yet to be proven), but isn't this a "for profit" scheme: 500 people donate 20$, money goes to haiti, product becomes $97, people pay $97 for it, taylor & company pocket money... Unless that $97 goes to haiti (lol come on now)?
  • Too much B.S. ? Like, TAQ? Squatflex? You are teamed up with the B.S. master (Maroko) there brosef.







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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 10:28:55 pm »
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"first 500 to watch" turns into "first 500 to donate", just some nice slick marketing guruness i thought i'd point out, bravo.

nice wording:



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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 10:32:28 pm »
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it's very urgent, we need to reach 500 donations as soon as possible because then i can bump up the price 4x and make some good money.







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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 12:24:25 am »
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"Today at 10:27pm, jcsbck wrote:
Today at 8:50pm, jtrinsey wrote:


Why not donate all of our wordly possessions to Haiti?

Do I think this is some amazing piece of self-sacrifice? No. But, as long as they are legitimately donating the money to Haiti and providing a good product, this is a win-win. People in Haiti who really need the money get a nice donation and Taylor raises awareness of his product.
 


Because I'm not claiming I'm not making a penny, yet I actually am making money. Watch the video, he talks about how the only purpose of this is to help Haiti, but then why does the donation stop at 10k? The guy is just using a tragedy to sell shit. If he was more honest about his intentions in the video, there'd be no problem.
 
 


His intentions from the video is clear a daylight jcsbcsck, he wants to help the haitians while promoting his product eventually making great monies with it, how can u not understand that?


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Is it "good" marketing, sure. Is it ethical marketing, hell no. Luke Lowery has "good" marketing too. The reason adarq calls these guys is because of their "genius marketing". Obviously it works, but we think it's unethical.
 
 


Who are you to decide what is ethical and unethical? To be most successful in marketing yourself in this world you must do a few tricks or how should i put it, behind the scenes tactics if you get a drift?

So what he "use" a disaster to help promote his product, President Bush use 9/11 to goto war with iraq i dont see you complaining? Similar situation here just let it be guy has to make his money why you hater blocking him ? lol


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I am not having sexual relations with adarq, . It just bothers us both because we know how many kids actually fall for this shit, and tricking kids is unethical.
 


It bothers him to have such a crappy forum and never make anything of himself, woo hoo he dunk a few times then give out advice and act like a fool.

Kids are very good market because parents will spend big euros at their request, that is why most peoples target this population, they will wise up but before they do they are good to spend alot of money on your product how can you not see this? "



What a dumb cunt.

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 04:15:25 am »
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"Today at 10:27pm, jcsbck wrote:
Today at 8:50pm, jtrinsey wrote:


Why not donate all of our wordly possessions to Haiti?

Do I think this is some amazing piece of self-sacrifice? No. But, as long as they are legitimately donating the money to Haiti and providing a good product, this is a win-win. People in Haiti who really need the money get a nice donation and Taylor raises awareness of his product.
 


Because I'm not claiming I'm not making a penny, yet I actually am making money. Watch the video, he talks about how the only purpose of this is to help Haiti, but then why does the donation stop at 10k? The guy is just using a tragedy to sell shit. If he was more honest about his intentions in the video, there'd be no problem.
 
 


His intentions from the video is clear a daylight jcsbcsck, he wants to help the haitians while promoting his product eventually making great monies with it, how can u not understand that?


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Is it "good" marketing, sure. Is it ethical marketing, hell no. Luke Lowery has "good" marketing too. The reason adarq calls these guys is because of their "genius marketing". Obviously it works, but we think it's unethical.
 
 


Who are you to decide what is ethical and unethical? To be most successful in marketing yourself in this world you must do a few tricks or how should i put it, behind the scenes tactics if you get a drift?

So what he "use" a disaster to help promote his product, President Bush use 9/11 to goto war with iraq i dont see you complaining? Similar situation here just let it be guy has to make his money why you hater blocking him ? lol


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I am not having sexual relations with adarq, . It just bothers us both because we know how many kids actually fall for this shit, and tricking kids is unethical.
 


It bothers him to have such a crappy forum and never make anything of himself, woo hoo he dunk a few times then give out advice and act like a fool.

Kids are very good market because parents will spend big euros at their request, that is why most peoples target this population, they will wise up but before they do they are good to spend alot of money on your product how can you not see this? "



What a dumb cunt.


lol :D

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 05:05:47 am »
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people call me an asshole, etc.. but i mean, this is from a few days ago:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyH4Mc1KMcE

it did sound cool, until you dive deeper into it and find out the true intentions.

im cracking up at people justifying the $97 price hike.. come on now.

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 06:38:10 am »
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Great work as always Adarqui. That Ginroth character on DBHAmmer is clearly an imbecile. This type of promotion is right up there with the sort of crap Lowery pulls, maybe worse.

Truly, you are on fire

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 02:49:58 pm »
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Great work as always Adarqui. That Ginroth character on DBHAmmer is clearly an imbecile. This type of promotion is right up there with the sort of crap Lowery pulls, maybe worse.

Truly, you are on fire

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Sup man, as always, thanks for the support for *our* little causes, as we both hate this kind of shit with a passion. I think this little event is worse than what Lowrey pulls.. Lowrey is on Maroko's level, but Taylor Allan just went up and beyond that. Using some kind of event, in this case a natural disaster, to market ones self does happen alot, so you can't completely get on him for that. Responsible companies/people though, they have legit offers that come along with it, such as raising money for as long as possible, pretty much ALL money going to the fund etc (maybe a very small percentage going to the cost of operating the fund like 5% or something).

What he's done is so blatantly irresponsible that it puts him on that next level, right from the get go.

Seriously though, he never mentioned the organization he's donating through, most people make sure to do that. I mean, it's not like he's just going to take the 10k put it in an envelope addressed to "Haiti" and send it over. There is a process for this kind of stuff to ensure legitimacy. I'd love to see proof of him sending the money to an organization when he does it, as per my curiosity.

He's also stayed quiet in this little fiasco, he has learned good from the jedi master himself, Alex "Jedi ScamMaster" Maroko.

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 04:56:11 pm »
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I honestly didn't even pay much attention to what the offer consisted of and I didn't know he had advertised a price raise.  I'm not exactly sure what his intentions are but from a marketing perspective one could argue the price jump to $97  is more about creating value and some semblance of urgency rather than actually promoting and expecting future sales at $97.  In fact just based on what I know about selling stuff online I'd be surprised if a single person ended up buying that package at that higher price, but if it's something he does end up promoting hard I could definitely see the negativity in that and I'll kinda feel bad for having promoted it. 

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Re: Taylor Allan aka allan22 : AthleticDominationExpo
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 05:09:41 pm »
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I honestly didn't even pay much attention to what the offer consisted of and I didn't know he had advertised a price raise.  I'm not exactly sure what his intentions are but from a marketing perspective one could argue the price jump to $97  is more about creating value and some semblance of urgency rather than actually promoting and expecting future sales at $97.

yeah I had thought about that, as that tactic is used very often, especially by AlexM. If that's the case, then it definitely changes things a bit, Taylor would come off as being less of a slimebag, BUT, that still fits the definition of scam. Lying to your customers/potential customers isn't the best idea.

I expect him to actually charge for the product though, once 500 is reached, that's just the vibe i get.


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In fact just based on what I know about selling stuff online I'd be surprised if a single person ended up buying that package at that higher price, but if it's something he does end up promoting hard I could definitely see the negativity in that and I'll kinda feel bad for having promoted it.  

That's good to know, hopefully i'm wrong about him, though I'm never wrong on these issues. :)

If Allan provides proof that he donated the 10k to a reputable Haiti Relief Fund, and doesn't price gouge his product, i'd publicly apologize to him in this thread. I've yet to publicly apologize to anyone though because 100% of the time they fail to prove themselves.

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