Author Topic: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child  (Read 7528 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« on: February 27, 2010, 07:14:04 pm »
0
youtube.com/TeamFlightBrothers

Golden Child: LR Plant


1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 9.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg 13.jpg 14.jpg 15.jpg 16.jpg 17.jpg 18.jpg 19.jpg 20.jpg 21.jpg 22.jpg 23.jpg 24.jpg












Golden Child: LR Plant

1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 9.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg 13.jpg 14.jpg 15.jpg 16.jpg 17.jpg 18.jpg 19.jpg 20.jpg 21.jpg 22.jpg 23.jpg 24.jpg














Golden Child: LR Plant #3


1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 9.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg 13.jpg 14.jpg 15.jpg 16.jpg 17.jpg 18.jpg 19.jpg 20.jpg 21.jpg 22.jpg 23.jpg 24.jpg
















Golden Child: 2-LEAD IN Runup


1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 9.jpg 10.jpg 11.jpg 12.jpg 13.jpg 14.jpg 15.jpg 16.jpg 17.jpg 18.jpg 19.jpg 20.jpg 21.jpg 22.jpg 23.jpg 24.jpg 25.jpg 26.jpg 27.jpg 28.jpg 29.jpg 30.jpg 31.jpg 32.jpg























piR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 812
  • Respect: -144
    • View Profile
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 09:18:55 pm »
0
GC plants just like me; he digs his left heel into the ground, etc.

ARowe

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 479
  • Respect: +11
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 08:29:19 am »
0
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncqyc7y1WxI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncqyc7y1WxI</a>

Mr. No Heels svj

Stats as of October 15, 2010
age: 20
weight: ~153 lbs
height: 5'7", 5'8" with shoes
reach: 7'5.5" in shoes
svj: 30 (vertec)
rvj: 35 (vertec) ~36 (dunk)
full squat 1rm: 315 (msem) ~325 (estimate)

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 08:29:49 am »
0
GC plants just like me; he digs his left heel into the ground, etc.

ya, except his pushoff is different.. he pushes off in a nearly half-squat position while on the ball of his foot, it's pretty insane how strong he is in his ankles.. sometimes his heel barely touches tho on his plant. i'm going to post another one tomorrow, i think it's even more extreme.

i need to relook at some of your jumps.

peace

nba8340

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 696
  • Respect: +8
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 01:21:37 am »
0
yo these vids are sick adarqui

it's crazy how long golden child's last step is, also yeh how strong his ankles are

look at his left ankle how strong it inverts when he is about to jump

also i thought his back would be nice and straight but it's slouched at first and then he straightens it right before he jumps

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 01:34:45 am »
0
yo these vids are sick adarqui

it's crazy how long golden child's last step is, also yeh how strong his ankles are

Ya, he covers SOOO much distance with his strides, and it's so aggressive.

His ankles are probably the strongest ive ever seen in any jumper. That is a perfect example of "great ankle stiffness", ie insane strength.

Quote
look at his left ankle how strong it inverts when he is about to jump

Ya, he's basically jumping from a half squat position, WHILE being on his toes.. most people's feet are flat in that position. Hell, most people's feet are basically flat until their legs are about to lock out, then they triple extend.

Having strength like that in the ankles, he's able to store alot more energy in the tendons & get alot more out of his calfs.

Quote
also i thought his back would be nice and straight but it's slouched at first and then he straightens it right before he jumps

Yea, that probably helps him stay off his heels initially.. Most people can't jump like that, they'd look like jello.

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 06:32:57 am »
0
leonss, white kid, strong ankles, similar to GC plant.


TKXII

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1255
  • Respect: -12
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 04:22:49 pm »
0
someone said that GC only plants one of his heels down, and then adarq you said it looks like a half squat position; I think I can explain that with the epiphany I made a while ago: that two footed RVJ is easier to think of as a single legged motion, in which both legs are involved differently, using different muscle groups, rather than a double legged motion - in MOST cases. Some people do jump using the same exact patterns of motor recruitment in both legs (powerlifters), but dunkers jump more, for lack of a better word, unsymmetrically, unidirectionally, TDUB is dominant on the right leg, GOlden child on the left.

The plant leg, GC's left leg, absorbs a great deal of force in da pchain to start of the motion, so you land on your heel then the second leg comes in turned inwards almost (depends on your tendency to pronate, or flatfootedness, bowed-leggedness..) and the achilles + quads, + inner thighs bring the rest of the body up, while the first leg then pushes off with quads as well and achilles.

Realize though how I said the inner thighs; they are literally pushing the body up and forward during the RVJ of only ONE leg, the 'non-dominant' leg as I like to think about it.

Therefore, my favorite lift, of which I will have a video of shortly (@theAktor) is a deadlift with the barbell in b/w the legs.

What do you think adarqui? and others? Main point - one leg is pchain dominant in the 2ft RVJ, other is quad/achilles.





And to respond to why GC's back is bent - helps him absorb more force in the pchain, it's the SSC to the RVJ, abdominals are workin it, that's what I think

here is a great vid demonstrating that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23FCaCsxkA&playnext_from=TL&videos=yHsaxZ0_c2c
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 05:06:08 pm »
0
someone said that GC only plants one of his heels down, and then adarq you said it looks like a half squat position; I think I can explain that with the epiphany I made a while ago: that two footed RVJ is easier to think of as a single legged motion, in which both legs are involved differently, using different muscle groups, rather than a double legged motion - in MOST cases. Some people do jump using the same exact patterns of motor recruitment in both legs (powerlifters), but dunkers jump more, for lack of a better word, unsymmetrically, unidirectionally, TDUB is dominant on the right leg, GOlden child on the left.

The plant leg, GC's left leg, absorbs a great deal of force in da pchain to start of the motion, so you land on your heel then the second leg comes in turned inwards almost (depends on your tendency to pronate, or flatfootedness, bowed-leggedness..) and the achilles + quads, + inner thighs bring the rest of the body up, while the first leg then pushes off with quads as well and achilles.

Realize though how I said the inner thighs; they are literally pushing the body up and forward during the RVJ of only ONE leg, the 'non-dominant' leg as I like to think about it.

Therefore, my favorite lift, of which I will have a video of shortly (@theAktor) is a deadlift with the barbell in b/w the legs.

What do you think adarqui? and others? Main point - one leg is pchain dominant in the 2ft RVJ, other is quad/achilles.





And to respond to why GC's back is bent - helps him absorb more force in the pchain, it's the SSC to the RVJ, abdominals are workin it, that's what I think

here is a great vid demonstrating that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23FCaCsxkA&playnext_from=TL&videos=yHsaxZ0_c2c

well ya i agree that for most 2-footed basketball player plants, one leg uses more quad than the other, and the other leg uses more p-chain. This was actually measurable for myself, for example, I plant LR, and my left "vmo" was always 0.5" more than my right vmo. My right thigh was also 0.5" more than my left thigh.

In a plant like GC's, I'd imagine the initial plant leg would utilize more quad, because it is experiencing some major deceleration. The same goes for tus10 / t-dub or pretty much anyone. The people that plant simultaneously both legs, that changes things up, especially if they dont come in from a side angle. The people that come in from a "straight run up" and plant both legs are usually heavily squat trained, so they are using alot more p-chain.

The degree to which someone uses the achilles/calfs is definitely noticable in the plant. A guy like GC is getting a ton out of his calf/achilles, it's so damn strong he barely plants his heel. In plenty of vids he doesn't plant his heels at all. As my ankles got stronger, I started getting off my heels.

peace man

TKXII

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1255
  • Respect: -12
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 02:15:26 pm »
0
wait what is vmo?

I think though that the second leg uses more quad because there seems to be more knee flexion. Not just quad, but more achilles as well; I know this is true for me the way I jump because I feel the soreness the following day. And it makes the most sense if you think about doing a 360, dunk, or 720, whatever. The quads of the second leg plays the role of diverting the body in the desired direction, i'm sure someone has done an in depth analysis or something, wish I had it in my hands, haha
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2010, 05:02:12 pm »
0
wait what is vmo?

vastius medialis oblique



Quote
I think though that the second leg uses more quad because there seems to be more knee flexion. Not just quad, but more achilles as well; I know this is true for me the way I jump because I feel the soreness the following day. And it makes the most sense if you think about doing a 360, dunk, or 720, whatever. The quads of the second leg plays the role of diverting the body in the desired direction, i'm sure someone has done an in depth analysis or something, wish I had it in my hands, haha

i havn't seen any, but it'd be hard to decipher, because who know how the plant is actually happening.. a side plant differs greatly from a "squat" plant.

but if you find anything let me know, i havn't foun much.

pc

TKXII

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1255
  • Respect: -12
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 04:37:58 pm »
0
OH yeah, the VMO, yeah yeah. Hm that's interesting for you, I really don't know everyone's different. But it's still very interesting if we can figure out how to train each leg individually to train the ways they work during an RVJ. WHich is what I'm trying to do atm, kinda stopped squats in general. Used to love front squats and my SVJ was going up but I'd rather train speed involved in the RVJ. I wonder what these ppls SVJs are. I know Troy McCray has a lot of strength, but these TDub and GC take high speed run ups

"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 05:12:33 pm »
0
OH yeah, the VMO, yeah yeah. Hm that's interesting for you, I really don't know everyone's different. But it's still very interesting if we can figure out how to train each leg individually to train the ways they work during an RVJ. WHich is what I'm trying to do atm, kinda stopped squats in general. Used to love front squats and my SVJ was going up but I'd rather train speed involved in the RVJ. I wonder what these ppls SVJs are. I know Troy McCray has a lot of strength, but these TDub and GC take high speed run ups



well, i'm not into that ideology, training each leg differently, that's getting way too specific IMO.. i'd rather just become generally stronger, then let the specific skill of RVJ/etc cause those changes.

rumor has it, T-dub's SVJ is low 30's or even lower.. him & GC are definitely ALL reactive.

troy definitely has the best SVJ of all these top dunkers, i mean his SVJ-BTL is insane.. they have some nice footage of troy doing drop-step vert's at a dunk contest, on a vertec.. i think he hit like 11'2-11'4 or something.. i forget.

TKXII

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1255
  • Respect: -12
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 09:39:49 am »
0
That's crazy, if Tdub's SVJ was that low, but would make sense; he could dunk since he was a boy. I think people like him, who simply practice jumping during puberty, develop extremely reactive tendons, due to the extra hormones floating around in their blood during that time, have you seen Ben WIlliams? He started triple jumping when young and now has very stiff tendons, and doesn't seem to weight train much.

Brings up the question are theese people jsut genetic freaks or have they really started to train at the optimal time? And if you think about it, it should be much easier, metabolically to synthesize lots of collagen, rather than muscle, and be easier to improve tendon stiffness/tendon size, than muscle when those hormones are so high, since buildig muscle is a much more intensive process. Vitamin C + some lysine or proline = collagen basically, but it's not that simple of course
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29609
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7011
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 03:42:52 pm »
0
That's crazy, if Tdub's SVJ was that low, but would make sense; he could dunk since he was a boy. I think people like him, who simply practice jumping during puberty, develop extremely reactive tendons, due to the extra hormones floating around in their blood during that time, have you seen Ben WIlliams? He started triple jumping when young and now has very stiff tendons, and doesn't seem to weight train much.

Brings up the question are theese people jsut genetic freaks or have they really started to train at the optimal time? And if you think about it, it should be much easier, metabolically to synthesize lots of collagen, rather than muscle, and be easier to improve tendon stiffness/tendon size, than muscle when those hormones are so high, since buildig muscle is a much more intensive process. Vitamin C + some lysine or proline = collagen basically, but it's not that simple of course

well, most of us white boys have been playing ball/jumping since a young age, and that didn't help :) I mean, I played all day every day from age 8 to age 22-23.. I would do max jumps all the time, trying to dunk on 8 when i was young, or trying to touch rim when i was in h.s. on up.. didn't do anything for me.. this is a reason why you see dunk/jump programs so popular, it's a majority of people who have been playing ball their whole life but can't jump for shit who are buying the programs... i mean i personally got so frustrated that even years after getting bored of basketball, i still wanted to dunk.. hah.. if anyone put the work in on the court/jumping it was me, didn't help one bit for my vert tho.

it has more to do with genetics imo.. sure if they didn't jump/play as much ball as they did, they wouldn't have those hops.. but these guys just adapt/have the leverages/tendon length/power naturally to be great..

i mean ive seen it with kids that i've tested, for performance camps.. you get mostly kids with bad performance numbers, then you get some kid (mostly black or hispanic, but some white) who just have freaky power numbers for their age.. absolutely dominate everyone else in terms of power.. their gene pool for power is just better.. :)

but ya, generally the most motor learning is going to happen at a young age, so getting in the right kind of practice/training at a young age definitely does help.

peace man