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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2010, 08:15:38 am »
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I don't get why a "squat plant" (both feet at the same time) has more posterior chain amortization ???

I thought the quads take a lot more beating trying to decelerate and prevent the knees from collapsing than when planting sideways, since planting sideways brings a bit of a twist and the plant occurs at a different angle than a direct overload of the quads that happens in a straight-forward plant.

I don't get it.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2010, 05:48:41 pm »
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I don't get why a "squat plant" (both feet at the same time) has more posterior chain amortization ???

I thought the quads take a lot more beating trying to decelerate and prevent the knees from collapsing than when planting sideways, since planting sideways brings a bit of a twist and the plant occurs at a different angle than a direct overload of the quads that happens in a straight-forward plant.

I don't get it.

i'm not talking squat plant just being both feet same time, im talking landing both feet, squared to the basket, just like a squat / SVJ would be.. these jumps usually have slower run ups, which means less deceleration.. it's more of a strength jump where you hop into a plant (quarter squat or lower) that is very balanced, both legs will be on the ground for the same amount of time, hips can be back more to load the hamstrings better..

to me it's more p-chain than side plant.


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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2010, 03:02:13 am »
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But because of the angle, the quads need much more force to amortizate properly and prevent knee collapse.

AC is using this technique in a few dunks, if we're talking about the same plant. It's also being seen in technically defficient/physicaly strong people.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 01:55:00 pm »
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But because of the angle, the quads need much more force to amortizate properly and prevent knee collapse.

AC is using this technique in a few dunks, if we're talking about the same plant. It's also being seen in technically defficient/physicaly strong people.

well ya AC's plant does come to mind.. he claims that he switched to a more side-plant for his 50/55.5 (heh) jumps.

i still think side plant is alot more quad, i also think it's why most basketball players with no weight training experience use this style of plant.. the stronger you get (in the p-chain , from squatting etc), the more you tend to deviate from side into a more double-neutral plant.. so if we just look at it from that perspective, the more you improve your glute/ham strength, the more you shift from side to double-neutral.. i mean, this happened with me and a bunch of other people on TVS, the stronger i got in squatting, the more i switched to double-neutral.. now that could just be because of the squat itself, my body wanting to be in the position from start to finish, but it was my p-chain that was limiting me on those below parallel squats and as i improved that i shifted.. when i used a half squat close stance neutral foot style, it didn't effect my plant one bit, i side planted even stronger.. the deep squatting journey i was on was effecting my plant big time.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2010, 10:05:11 pm »
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hmm that's interesting... I always wanted to think genetics did not play as big a role; people who figured out they were good at jumping for instance are more likely to practice it right? Therefore they just honed the skill, and had a passion for it that someone who knew he/she was terrible at jumping did not.. But that's cool, I definitely don't have as much experience as you so I'll take ur word for it. It's cool to analyze these freaks though... Ben WIlliams for example, triple jumper, he does not lift weights, and since he was like 12 he could just jump like crazy. I wonder how that works.. haha
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2010, 10:53:39 pm »
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have u guys ever noticed justin darligton's plant, it's RL but it's almost two feet at the excact same time, doesnt' look that great or finesse but he gets wayyyyyyy up....double-neutral
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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2010, 12:16:54 am »
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have u guys ever noticed justin darligton's plant, it's RL but it's almost two feet at the excact same time, doesnt' look that great or finesse but he gets wayyyyyyy up....double-neutral

ya definitely, he gets very deep too.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2010, 04:21:13 am »
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What about Shannon Brown or Shal as one-leg jumpers?

What about their arm swings (double/single arm swings and the moment of the arm swing). For example, I was playing NBA 2k10 and looking through the dunk packs, and it was one dunk when the guy would arm swing with his left arm during the pen-penultimate step and then again when he jumped).

So I guess a lot of stuff happens with the arm swing that gets overlooked.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2010, 08:52:44 am »
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ya definitely, he gets very deep too.

You think he gets deep?In most videos he looks like he is barely bending at the knees, but I have seen in some dunks he gets deep, still not nearly as deep as GC I would think..
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"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2010, 03:25:58 pm »
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ya definitely, he gets very deep too.

You think he gets deep?In most videos he looks like he is barely bending at the knees, but I have seen in some dunks he gets deep, still not nearly as deep as GC I would think..

ya, well he's pretty versatile, he can go lr/rl/leftleg slrvj, so we're going to see alot of variety.

but on alot of dunks i've seen him go pretty deep.

check this:

http://www.adarq.org/forum/crazy-weird-analysis-stuff-%29/various-jumpers-plants/

t-dub's got some ridiculous shit going on.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2010, 11:42:25 pm »
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yeah I jsut checked that out, sick thread. Tdub get's the lowest by far - which IMO looks cool as well - it makes you look like you're jumping higher too.

However, in the video below, Tdub does not seem to be getting as low (slow-mo at 0:22) - he also jumps faster than the speed of light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg4oPtERYqY&playnext_from=TL&videos=SbZIJ6uHZGQ

Maybe I should have posted this in the plant thread..
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2010, 08:04:35 pm »
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yeah I jsut checked that out, sick thread. Tdub get's the lowest by far - which IMO looks cool as well - it makes you look like you're jumping higher too.

However, in the video below, Tdub does not seem to be getting as low (slow-mo at 0:22) - he also jumps faster than the speed of light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg4oPtERYqY&playnext_from=TL&videos=SbZIJ6uHZGQ

Maybe I should have posted this in the plant thread..

ya he definitely didn't dip as low on that dunk and he was flying.. his run up was really fast though, could have had something to do with it.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2010, 05:40:49 am »
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Probably the more speed you have, the less you will bend in your jump because bending more will overload too much and also make you "reset" and lose all that momentum.

You probably will bend more off a two-step approach or so.

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2010, 01:54:09 pm »
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Probably the more speed you have, the less you will bend in your jump because bending more will overload too much and also make you "reset" and lose all that momentum.

You probably will bend more off a two-step approach or so.

ya I agree.. some of t-dub's huge run ups amaze me, sometimes he gets low off 6+ steps.. for most everyone, that's just too much force/momentum to handle at those depths.

I was actually thinking about experimenting with a drill to improve the plant:
- big run up
- plant (side and/or "front")
- no jump

I never uploaded any of my huge run up dunks, because they weren't anything special except for the run up, wish i would have, i had a few run ups from beyond half court (from beyond the sideline though).. i definitely didn't get max, the plant's were so "high", damn near stiff legged and i'd just bounce up to about 33 or so RVJ, even when i was around 37-38" from 4 steps at the time.

I think maybe it's time to experiment with some plant specialization exercises :D

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Re: GALLERIES: Freak Dunkers: Golden Child
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2010, 04:58:38 pm »
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Yeah if you look at Vince in his prime, he was going fast and bending a lot... he compressed so much "into" the ground to take in a lot of force and put out even more.