GC plants just like me; he digs his left heel into the ground, etc.
yo these vids are sick adarqui
it's crazy how long golden child's last step is, also yeh how strong his ankles are
look at his left ankle how strong it inverts when he is about to jump
also i thought his back would be nice and straight but it's slouched at first and then he straightens it right before he jumps
someone said that GC only plants one of his heels down, and then adarq you said it looks like a half squat position; I think I can explain that with the epiphany I made a while ago: that two footed RVJ is easier to think of as a single legged motion, in which both legs are involved differently, using different muscle groups, rather than a double legged motion - in MOST cases. Some people do jump using the same exact patterns of motor recruitment in both legs (powerlifters), but dunkers jump more, for lack of a better word, unsymmetrically, unidirectionally, TDUB is dominant on the right leg, GOlden child on the left.
The plant leg, GC's left leg, absorbs a great deal of force in da pchain to start of the motion, so you land on your heel then the second leg comes in turned inwards almost (depends on your tendency to pronate, or flatfootedness, bowed-leggedness..) and the achilles + quads, + inner thighs bring the rest of the body up, while the first leg then pushes off with quads as well and achilles.
Realize though how I said the inner thighs; they are literally pushing the body up and forward during the RVJ of only ONE leg, the 'non-dominant' leg as I like to think about it.
Therefore, my favorite lift, of which I will have a video of shortly (@theAktor) is a deadlift with the barbell in b/w the legs.
What do you think adarqui? and others? Main point - one leg is pchain dominant in the 2ft RVJ, other is quad/achilles.
And to respond to why GC's back is bent - helps him absorb more force in the pchain, it's the SSC to the RVJ, abdominals are workin it, that's what I think
here is a great vid demonstrating that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23FCaCsxkA&playnext_from=TL&videos=yHsaxZ0_c2c
wait what is vmo?
I think though that the second leg uses more quad because there seems to be more knee flexion. Not just quad, but more achilles as well; I know this is true for me the way I jump because I feel the soreness the following day. And it makes the most sense if you think about doing a 360, dunk, or 720, whatever. The quads of the second leg plays the role of diverting the body in the desired direction, i'm sure someone has done an in depth analysis or something, wish I had it in my hands, haha
OH yeah, the VMO, yeah yeah. Hm that's interesting for you, I really don't know everyone's different. But it's still very interesting if we can figure out how to train each leg individually to train the ways they work during an RVJ. WHich is what I'm trying to do atm, kinda stopped squats in general. Used to love front squats and my SVJ was going up but I'd rather train speed involved in the RVJ. I wonder what these ppls SVJs are. I know Troy McCray has a lot of strength, but these TDub and GC take high speed run ups
That's crazy, if Tdub's SVJ was that low, but would make sense; he could dunk since he was a boy. I think people like him, who simply practice jumping during puberty, develop extremely reactive tendons, due to the extra hormones floating around in their blood during that time, have you seen Ben WIlliams? He started triple jumping when young and now has very stiff tendons, and doesn't seem to weight train much.
Brings up the question are theese people jsut genetic freaks or have they really started to train at the optimal time? And if you think about it, it should be much easier, metabolically to synthesize lots of collagen, rather than muscle, and be easier to improve tendon stiffness/tendon size, than muscle when those hormones are so high, since buildig muscle is a much more intensive process. Vitamin C + some lysine or proline = collagen basically, but it's not that simple of course
I don't get why a "squat plant" (both feet at the same time) has more posterior chain amortization ???
I thought the quads take a lot more beating trying to decelerate and prevent the knees from collapsing than when planting sideways, since planting sideways brings a bit of a twist and the plant occurs at a different angle than a direct overload of the quads that happens in a straight-forward plant.
I don't get it.
But because of the angle, the quads need much more force to amortizate properly and prevent knee collapse.
AC is using this technique in a few dunks, if we're talking about the same plant. It's also being seen in technically defficient/physicaly strong people.
have u guys ever noticed justin darligton's plant, it's RL but it's almost two feet at the excact same time, doesnt' look that great or finesse but he gets wayyyyyyy up....double-neutral
ya definitely, he gets very deep too.
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ya definitely, he gets very deep too.
You think he gets deep?In most videos he looks like he is barely bending at the knees, but I have seen in some dunks he gets deep, still not nearly as deep as GC I would think..
yeah I jsut checked that out, sick thread. Tdub get's the lowest by far - which IMO looks cool as well - it makes you look like you're jumping higher too.
However, in the video below, Tdub does not seem to be getting as low (slow-mo at 0:22) - he also jumps faster than the speed of light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg4oPtERYqY&playnext_from=TL&videos=SbZIJ6uHZGQ
Maybe I should have posted this in the plant thread..
Probably the more speed you have, the less you will bend in your jump because bending more will overload too much and also make you "reset" and lose all that momentum.
You probably will bend more off a two-step approach or so.