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Performance Area => Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) => Topic started by: Flander on June 28, 2011, 03:13:12 am
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So as a heavy and decently tall guy with fairly long arms, I often get met by smaller guys who wants to compare lifting numbers, but always to bw because theyre of course small and light.
I always respond that its not really a fair comparison unless you start comparing ROM as well, to which they never respond.
I know this has been talked over a lot, but I got tired and started thinking whats an easy way to compare between different people. Lance linked me this at some point: http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html
That site seems a good way to me.
Other than that Ive thought of comparing strength to BMI. BMI consider you height as well as you weight, and although it does not take into calculation the factor of long levers, it seems better to me than just comparing to weight. And even though it doesnt consider levers, taller persons tend to have longer legs, arms and torsos.
Just a thoughts on a day where I try to complete my last exam assignment before summer break.
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interesting thought about bmi. i kind of like it.
the tables on exrx are a joke, though. look at them closely, they make no sense. how is an advanced 315 pound lifter only lifting 10 pounds more than an advanced 275 pound lifter? how is a 250 pound squat at 165 in any way intermediate?
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Those tables are pretty clear on what novice, intermediate, advanced, and elite mean, and pretty accurate for full lifts without gear. Between Pendlay, Rippetoe, and Kilgore, I would imagine they have a pretty decent handle on what constitutes what for the different categories.
Untrained
Expected level of strength in a healthy individual who has not trained on the exercise before but can perform it correctly. This represents the minimum level of strength required to maintain a reasonable quality of life in a sedentary individual.
Novice
A person training regularly for a period of 3-9 months. This strength level supports the demands of vigorous recreational activities.
Intermediate
A person who has engaged in regular training for up to two years. The intermediate level indicates some degree of specialization in the exercises and a high level of performance at the recreational level.
Advanced
An individual with multi-year training experience with definite goals in the higher levels of competitive athletics.
Elite
Refers specifically to athletes competing in strength sports. Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.
Submaximum loads may be used to estimate one rep maximum values using the One Rep Max Calculator.
Tables for the basic barbell exercises were developed from:
o definitions in "Practical Programming" by Kilgore, Rippetoe, and Pendlay
o the experience and judgment of the authors,
o the exercise techniques described and illustrated in “Starting Strength” by Rippetoe and Kilgore, and
o published performance standards for the sports of powerlifting and weightlifting.
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I'm leaning towards advanced squat :o :headbang:
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yeah same. Just into advanced squat and deadlift. Intermediate presses. Sounds about right I guess.
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interesting thought about bmi. i kind of like it.
the tables on exrx are a joke, though. look at them closely, they make no sense. how is an advanced 315 pound lifter only lifting 10 pounds more than an advanced 275 pound lifter? how is a 250 pound squat at 165 in any way intermediate?
At elite levels sinclair pretty much works by BMI for weighlifting since it's calculated off WR for several weight classes and the average height per weight class is pretty much linear.
Difference between 275lb class and 308lb class is almost nothing normally other than the 308s are taller/fatter. In a multi-ply multi-fed comparison the top 308 is 1196lbs squat while the top 275 is 1180lbs.
A lifter can be intermediate after only 3 months training. A guy who starts squatting 135lbs and 145lbs and three months later after running Starting Strength with a couple of resets and finishes up with 250 at 165lb is probably ready to jump into some intermediate programming. He'll probably get more out of Texas Method at this point than he would out of struggling to gain with 3x5 MWF. If he continues to gain with the MWF 3x5 then that's fine and preferable but if he keeps stalling it's time for something different on that lift.
In competitive lifting you don't bitch about the shorter guys outlifting you per BW because you have sinclair/meltzer/wilks etc.
490 sinclair for Urik Vardanian - 405 total @ 82.5kg BW 5'10 (insanely tall for an 82.5kg lifter btw)
504 sinclair for Naim Süleymano?lu - 342.5kg total @ 60 BW 4'11
483 sinclair for Anatoli Pisarenko 465kg total @ 125kg (insanely lean for a SHW like Chigishev and Lapikov are today)
Average height is a pretty close linear progression though the weightclasses with the odd outlier.
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interesting thought about bmi. i kind of like it.
the tables on exrx are a joke, though. look at them closely, they make no sense. how is an advanced 315 pound lifter only lifting 10 pounds more than an advanced 275 pound lifter? how is a 250 pound squat at 165 in any way intermediate?
At elite levels sinclair pretty much works by BMI for weighlifting since it's calculated off WR for several weight classes and the average height per weight class is pretty much linear.
Difference between 275lb class and 308lb class is almost nothing normally other than the 308s are taller/fatter. In a multi-ply multi-fed comparison the top 308 is 1196lbs squat while the top 275 is 1180lbs.
A lifter can be intermediate after only 3 months training. A guy who starts squatting 135lbs and 145lbs and three months later after running Starting Strength with a couple of resets and finishes up with 250 at 165lb is probably ready to jump into some intermediate programming. He'll probably get more out of Texas Method at this point than he would out of struggling to gain with 3x5 MWF. If he continues to gain with the MWF 3x5 then that's fine and preferable but if he keeps stalling it's time for something different on that lift.
In competitive lifting you don't bitch about the shorter guys outlifting you per BW because you have sinclair/meltzer/wilks etc.
490 sinclair for Urik Vardanian - 405 total @ 82.5kg BW 5'10 (insanely tall for an 82.5kg lifter btw)
504 sinclair for Naim Süleymano?lu - 342.5kg total @ 60 BW 4'11
483 sinclair for Anatoli Pisarenko 465kg total @ 125kg (insanely lean for a SHW like Chigishev and Lapikov are today)
Average height is a pretty close linear progression though the weightclasses with the odd outlier.
Least sense make evar.
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This debate is new
Oh wait... Discussed wilks scores in there
http://www.adarq.org/forum/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/if-you're-under-6-feet-your-relative-strength-is-irrelevant/
Of course tychver found his way into this topic again :D. Still haven't seen one person put a wilks score in their youtube title.
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This debate is new
Oh wait... Discussed wilks scores in there
http://www.adarq.org/forum/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/if-you're-under-6-feet-your-relative-strength-is-irrelevant/
Of course tychver found his way into this topic again :D. Still haven't seen one person put a wilks score in their youtube title.
I think you'll find a lot of powerlifting comp videos list their wilks score or what ever is used in their fed in the description. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTXYHBwZSEk
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4'11- wtf thats extremely small.