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« on: April 17, 2010, 02:50:42 pm » |
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Posted this here because I think this is worthy of discussion. I thought of this exercise only a few months ago. And it mimics the RVJ more than any other exercise I've seen anyone do. Check it |
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« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 02:56:22 pm by tkxii »
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adarqui
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 03:35:55 pm » |
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my jaw dropped at like 1:15 when you just come flying out of nowhere, doing a run up into a deadlift.. that was WTF. pretty creative man, i'm not one who follows that kind of ideology, but i am interested to see what kind of results you get. Are you feeling any of these lifts in your lower back ? Make sure you're not putting all of that stress on LB, especially when transitioning right from a run up.. I mean, if you start getting too heavy and you can't avoid LB, you might want to do this lift off blocks/pins so you can keep spine neutral. Called, the RVJ lift. I train quite eccentrically; I have decided to aboandon exercises which do not mimic the following: A block start, full speed sprinting, a running vertical jump off two feet, a running vertical jump off of one foot, and a few other motions for the triple jump
In the running vertical jump (RVJ), the legs are usually used differently; one leg uses more of the posterior chain, and the other lifts uses more quads and achilles. In a regular back squat, both legs are doing the same thing. When I thought of this exercise I was ecstatic, because it mimics the RVJ ALMOST COMPLETELY; only the arm swing is not involved, and the back may be used a little more depending on your form. In my last attempt, I used my back way too much.
Lastly, notice my grip. If the left leg is behind the bar, the palm of the left hand points forward. In this case, the right leg is in front of the bar, and the palm of the right hand points behind you.
I'll write more about this on my blog, therawhigh.blogspot.com, when I find some time. TRY THIS LIFT! This was a max attempt, at 275 lbs, and a personal record for me. My goal is to get this to 400 by September 1st. ya man i would caution against "using back too much" in that fashion, i mean, if you are using LB too much, that takes away alot of the specificity to RVJ too. |
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« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 03:37:28 pm by adarqui »
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 04:04:36 pm » |
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how does the lower back contribute to the vertical jump exactly, either one or two feet, standing/running |
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adarqui
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 04:29:51 pm » |
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how does the lower back contribute to the vertical jump exactly, either one or two feet, standing/running
it shouldn't really contribute much at all, in terms of hyperextension impacting vert. |
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http://adarq.org/code/"Now Cornell University neurobiologists, studying the adrenal glands of rats, have discovered how chronic stress cranks up the intensity of this adrenaline response. The key to this so-called molecular memory resides in a donut-shaped protein on the surface of cells that secrete adrenaline, the hormone also known as epinephrine." PED's in drug free sports is cheating, unethical, and weak. Athletes and/or coaches who condone/display this behavior can get lost."But you have never felt the burn that you get in the hip flexors from pulling back on the pedal stroke, you have never done the exercise in your life. Squatting ain't doing shit for your hip flexors blu." -- sickenin vendetta. QuickMix: Gulf Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHyFdbJnrY&hd=1The Promise Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed5VRE0lOXU&hd=1Ballet Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_c2dz0C_4&hd=1BoingTerd Dunk Session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mHaUoNpOg&hd=1Dunk Films: dunk=surfing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp_z9fVyMQMay 2011 Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-kMay13-2011 Nice dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73BhhFenp7o&feature=player_embeddedAPRIL 2011 DUNK RECAP/MIX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPS1Sm10dsSome hard freakin` dunks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nukAo_IizA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7URZQ3Y4U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQo64DzV70WHO RUN IT DUNK MIX - PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xypWSL5YVEwadarq.org commercial #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYlngDcxFY = if at first you don't succeed, AMP THE F UP & TRY AGAIN. lion swag dunk mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhyqcL4fO-gmisc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Ogend of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8The "I think i'm dying dunk mix" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiXkdX5QLNo
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 08:06:10 am » |
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yeah adarq I agree that you shoudn't use LB too much. But w/this exercise Iit is possible to get into a deep squat postion and use mostly the glutes and quads as in normal squat. MUCH less LB used than deadlift and backsquat, think about it a little bit; the bar is in b/w the legs, directly below the hips (in front of the hips in the running version), which allows me to activate the glutes more than the lower back than in a regular deadlift. Yeah so in the vid there are 2 versions, a 1 step, and standing. In the 1 step it is easier to not use lower back with proper form. In the standing version it just takes some effort to not get lazy and use the lower back. I just took a vid of my max attempt at 275, then for the rest of the workout I did 225. Oh and what freaks me out is, the day after, well for two days after I do this exercise, my glute-activation increases; when I walk up the stairs i feel the burn in my glutes, but usually i tend to walk up with quads more . . . very interesting |
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 08:08:01 am » |
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how does the lower back contribute to the vertical jump exactly, either one or two feet, standing/running
it shouldn't really contribute much at all, in terms of hyperextension impacting vert. I think it definitely contributes something minor, a very fast contraction, . . I've felt tweaks there from doing full speed RVJs, just like in a long jump attempt sometimes my abdominals forcefully contract sometime after the jump, and the back as well |
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 09:15:27 am » |
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Bulgarian split squats are a good exercise that takes alot of the LB out of it looks like a cool exercise though, good job |
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2010, 08:40:49 am » |
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That is horrible for your back the way you are performing them. |
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 01:05:10 pm » |
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 01:07:22 pm » |
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I thought it was a joke before all the normal sounding posts after it. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2010, 07:22:03 pm » |
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Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription? And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 11:59:53 pm » |
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 07:13:39 am » |
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Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription?
And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer.
Are you like 15? I could have done repeated drops off a high rise without joint pain at your age. It will catch up. This exercise is retardedly bad for you. |
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 11:12:25 am » |
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Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription?
And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer.
Are you like 15? I could have done repeated drops off a high rise without joint pain at your age. It will catch up. This exercise is retardedly bad for you. +1. This is the single most retarded exercise I have ever seen on the internet, and I have seen some bad ones. And trust me, we're being nice. The only reason I haven't linked to the vid on some less forgiving forums --and I know some people who would get a lot of enjoyment out of it-- is because you do look about 15. Too young to really deserve hardcore hate. But seriously, dude. Just stop. Stick to the basics. |
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 11:13:20 am » |
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And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. Also, this part is fucking hilarious and makes absolutely no sense. |
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