First off, Adarqs not skinny-fat and never has been. He's not competing in bodybuilding. He's not carrying a level of upper body muscle mass way beyond his natural untrained weight, and he's not  attempting to diet down to 6% body-fat with a high degree of muscle mass (for him).   I'm pretty sure you know that too, Im also pretty sure you understand the importance of P ratio.  he shittier partitioning is when gaining muscle, the shittier it's gonna be when dropping fat.  Don't believe me, go ask Lyle if shitty bodybuilders can get to extreme levels of leanness without anabolic support without burning up a disproportionate amount of muscle mass.  Take someone like Raptor and try to diet him down to 6% body-fat and watch what happens.


Also, re: the obesity comment, no I was never obese, I did suffer from hypothyroidism for a while and had a hell of a time with fat gain. I pushed the supplement envelope in large part to deal with rheumatic disease which I started experiencing when I was 29. My symptoms were fairly mild as far as how bad the disease could potentially be, there are people that literally die from it, but it definitely jacked my  hormones -  testosterone, adrenals, thyroid, and cortisol. My metabolism was so jacked over the course of a year I gained about 15 lbs of fat eating about 1500 calories per day while losing muscle - and I was exercising as normal as possible. I did the wilson's thyroid treatment and  used the thyroid about 3 days before the side effects made me stop. I didn't know it at the time but without enough cortisol thyroid just leads to bad side effects.  The Prohormones I experimented with hoping to maintain some semblance of strength and physique with god awful testosterone levels -  4 AD just made me fat. 1 test was good as far as the muscular effects but made me TIRED as hell so it wasn't worth it. 4-OHT didn't do anything at all but immediately shut me down.  I used Phs a grand TOTAL of about 3.5 weeks over a 3 year period of time. Finally, after struggling for a couple of years as quickly as it started it all stopped and my body seemingly returned back to "almost" normal overnight. I still have some mild adrenal and thyroid issues and have some mild immune mediated inflammation in my feet and neck but it doesn't really limit me and everything else is pretty much back to normal. The only "drugs" or grey area supps I've taken the last 5 years are 12.5 mg of DHEA every other day (technically a PED OMG!!) caffeine, and a very occassional dose of ephedrine. I don't even take Tylenol. I wouldn't recommend anyone experiment with as much crap as I did unless they're just out looking to spend money (including herbs, aminos, and various other bullshit), but i used to get $200 worth of free supplements every month and a ton of samples and I made the most of it.  

BTW JC this was a bush league type of thread IMO.  If you were trying to do anything other than come across as a tattletale instigator trying to make me look bad you could have just asked me these questions instead of cherrypicking your way thru over 500 posts over a 5 year period of time and starting a thread about it.  I have no problems talking about steroids, PHS, whatever, or I wouldnt have been posting on a public forum. It's also extremely doubtful anyone who talks about aromotase inhibitors and testosterone the way you did would really feel as negative about LEGAL PHs of yesteryear as you're trying to embellish. You likely think because most here don't know anything about any of that stuff that it would just make me look bad. ("Oh here's Kelly talking about the PED EPHEDRINE ZOMG1!!).....That's bullshit. You know it. I know it. Anyone who read what you wrote and knows the first thing about hormones or anything else knows it.  You wanna talk about drugs, PHs, stimulants, or whatever start a thread on drug use in sports and we'll talk about it.

I realize you play college soccer, but you do realize I'm stronger and more "athletic" than you by a mile? And no, I wasn't always that way. I weighed about 155 pounds after I got my puberty gains, and that's not a very lean 155 (not skinny fat though), and while I could jump high by average person standards, I put about 8-9 inches on my jump.

If you think all I do here is "call people out", you should check my log. While I'm not always active with logging, I guarantee I train as hard as anybody on this site.

Now back on topic

oh my god both of you please shut the fuck up or take it up in PM's. nobody cares which one of you has a bigger dick or can thrust it deeper in the other one's anus.

jc, i know this is your thread and all, but seriously. this is embarrassing.

If it was so "bush league" it wouldn't have all the responses it got. I wasn't going for any shock value, because I said everything you took was legal (besides the testosterone and t3 but apparently you had prescriptions). Legality was never an issue, the issue was if the drugs tainted your accomplishments because you sell your product using your accomplishments as a marketing point. Most people on here and vert bro forums look at you as a god, and they don't want to take PEDs. If you took them or suggested them to any of the athletes you train, then the people should know. You cleared it up saying you didn't take any PHs on your "vert journey", so whatever.

If I really wanted to make you look bad, I'd just say your vert claims are bullshit and the amount of people you claim to have trained is exaggerated. I'd also bring up your pathetic attempts at damage control for the Maroko situation, even though we all know you are laughing straight to the bank while he sells a bunch of rehashed information. And no, I'm not the only one who thinks this. Hell, I'm not the only one who thought the PH use was a potential problem. Notice how the anabolic assistance screen cap is big and highlighted by a mac, yet all the rest of the screen caps were taken using Ubuntu.  People on here are just afraid of speaking their mind for some reason, even though this is an anonymous internet forum.

If I just wanted to show off my investigating skills I'd pick someone a little more relevant in the S&C industry than you. I don't try to impress people on here with anything. If I did, I wouldn't have a log with my pathetic stats, I wouldn't take pictures of my shitty physique, and I wouldn't engage in rap battles with 13 year olds from Indiana. I would probably post a picture of me dunking from 1993, sell a jump product using that picture, and claim every injury known to man so I can't be asked to prove my jumping.

if u didnt want to start shit, why didnt you just PM Kelly or ask him questions first? You know he posts on here regularly. Dont care that you like to post your opinions on people, just think there are better ways to present questions and accusations. 

What good would have come out from that? What accusations did I make that Kelly didn't already admit in the posts?

Kelly's knowledge has never been in question. Neither has Maroko's, Adam Link's, Taylor Allan's, etc.. That was never the point of call em out.

I haven't called AlexV out. He hasn't done anything to be worth calling out besides misunderstanding one of my posts on dbhammer. I actually was meaning to put him on my approved coaches list but I forgot.