like i said for the most part its deserved...

however, i think the time and effort spent on calling them out could be more productively used...

i.e. you would "say" much more by proving your methods to work, which is what you're doing.  I'm just trying to say that I think that calling people out for the most part is an exercise in futility

JC, people are free to believe and follow whoever they want and it's not like I push my stuff on people or follow protocol of a marketing machine, but I seem to recall you already stating you don't doubt the quality of my work. I've always thought you were a pretty good guy the problem I have is the approach you took in your OP. You sounded like you were trying really hard to sound like an ignorant member of the general public who thinks anything stronger than protein would immediately cause one to lose a nut and go into convulsions straight to the emergency room. If you would've asked me in a thread if I ever took grey area compounds or anything else I'd tell you. Hell I've discussed it before back on the DB hammer forum:

http://dbhammer.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=nutrition&thread=2826&page=1

U make it sound like I was openly advising athletes how to beat a drug test to beat ephedrine, when the thread in question was a regular ol' Joe office worker who regularly took ephedrine and was trying to not falsely test positive for amphetamines at his job.

Then you say I was "snorting anti-depressants" - when I'm pretty sure you know inositol isn't a friggin anti-depressant (it's also 50 x more economical intranasally - 10grams oral inositol = ~200 mg intranasal)

Then you post my comments about coagulation and sesathin, as if it's some off beat dangerous drug - sesathin is just sesame seed extract..an oil much like fish oil.

Getting claustrophobia scuba diving? Yeah it happened. WTF does that have to do with anything.

7-keto?  7-keto-DHEA, a popular general health/life extension supplement.

IMO that's just intentionally trying to sensationalize crap.

If you or anyone else wants to start thread on supplement (or drug) opinions and experiences I'd be more than happy to discuss my opinons and experience on any and all compounds I know about. I think it would be interesting but I personally don't think I can recall anyone I know that's ever got any direct vert or speed improvements from supplement or drug use, so it might not be much more than theoretical masturbation.

You're right about the anti-depressants thing. I apologize

What else did I claim in the OP that wasn't true? You took prohormones, you took Testosterone, and you took T3. Those are facts. I didn't claim anything else. I said it was possible they could have tainted your vert claims, you said they didn't, discussion over.

Like I said, if my sole purpose was just to make you look bad, I would have just brought up your vert claims and your association with Maroko.

Yup... although I stayed at ~67 kg for ~5 years, and now I'm at ~82 kg for ~5 years...

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