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« on: February 15, 2011, 10:18:26 am » |
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As a beginner who wants to test supplementation. What's better for me, Creatine or Whey Protein? I'm 17yrs. old. What more informations should I add so that someone could give me an advice regarding this? |
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 10:51:46 am » |
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If you can only do one I would do a whey protein isolate or whey mix (isolate + concentrate). Whey is the most basic supplement, a quick digesting protein to take after your workouts or to "supplement" with your meals throughout the day. Creatine is a bit more advanced imo, the average broski who works out doesn't need to take it but it is good for athletes. Creatine increases ATP production which is utilized during anaerobic activities, such as... vert, low rep weightlifting, sprinting, etc. Contrary to popular broscience you don't need to "cycle" creatine, you can take it forever, just like whey protein. You should notice some nice strength increases if you start creatine. |
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Stats as of October 15, 2010
age: 20
weight: ~153 lbs
height: 5'7", 5'8" with shoes
reach: 7'5.5" in shoes
svj: 30 (vertec)
rvj: 35 (vertec) ~36 (dunk)
full squat 1rm: 315 (msem) ~325 (estimate)
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DamienZ
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 12:41:07 pm » |
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If you can only do one I would do a whey protein isolate or whey mix (isolate + concentrate). Whey is the most basic supplement, a quick digesting protein to take after your workouts or to "supplement" with your meals throughout the day.
Creatine is a bit more advanced imo, the average broski who works out doesn't need to take it but it is good for athletes. Creatine increases ATP production which is utilized during anaerobic activities, such as... vert, low rep weightlifting, sprinting, etc. Contrary to popular broscience you don't need to "cycle" creatine, you can take it forever, just like whey protein. You should notice some nice strength increases if you start creatine.
why? ... just get the cheapest one with a good taste that you like! |
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ARowe
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 10:43:43 pm » |
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If you can only do one I would do a whey protein isolate or whey mix (isolate + concentrate). Whey is the most basic supplement, a quick digesting protein to take after your workouts or to "supplement" with your meals throughout the day.
Creatine is a bit more advanced imo, the average broski who works out doesn't need to take it but it is good for athletes. Creatine increases ATP production which is utilized during anaerobic activities, such as... vert, low rep weightlifting, sprinting, etc. Contrary to popular broscience you don't need to "cycle" creatine, you can take it forever, just like whey protein. You should notice some nice strength increases if you start creatine.
why? ... just get the cheapest one with a good taste that you like! Pure concentrate is the lowest grade shit. Plus the fact that the study where they found a bunch of protein powders had traces of metal in them, most of those were the popular concentrates (Muscle Milk etc). |
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Stats as of October 15, 2010
age: 20
weight: ~153 lbs
height: 5'7", 5'8" with shoes
reach: 7'5.5" in shoes
svj: 30 (vertec)
rvj: 35 (vertec) ~36 (dunk)
full squat 1rm: 315 (msem) ~325 (estimate)
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 11:36:56 pm » |
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Get both, I would get a casein protein as well. Make sure you are working out optimally before you start supplementing (e.g. moving up your weights) otherwise you will be just wasting your supplements. |
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KokoyPinoy
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2011, 07:24:16 am » |
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Ow, i asked this because a friend of mine said that when a beginner trainee, like me, consumes whey protein, its effect will be minimal because our muscles are not that burned. Because whey protein is to fast absorbed by our body some of it will not be consumed after working out. He said that it is more appropriate for body builders than for athletes. I don't know if that's true that's why I'm asking here what's better. So it is better to take isolate or whey protein mix than creatine. For now. |
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Lont term:
175klsx2
Jump Snatch 75kls x 1
Short term before Peaking.
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LanceSTS
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 08:09:32 am » |
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Ow, i asked this because a friend of mine said that when a beginner trainee, like me, consumes whey protein, its effect will be minimal because our muscles are not that burned. Because whey protein is to fast absorbed by our body some of it will not be consumed after working out. He said that it is more appropriate for body builders than for athletes. I don't know if that's true that's why I'm asking here what's better. Your friend is wrong. So it is better to take isolate or whey protein mix than creatine. For now.
THEY BOTH DO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. If you can only afford one then go with the protein for sure, but thats like asking whats better, a hammer or a screw driver. |
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ARowe
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 08:47:59 am » |
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Ow, i asked this because a friend of mine said that when a beginner trainee, like me, consumes whey protein, its effect will be minimal because our muscles are not that burned. Because whey protein is to fast absorbed by our body some of it will not be consumed after working out. He said that it is more appropriate for body builders than for athletes. I don't know if that's true that's why I'm asking here what's better.
So it is better to take isolate or whey protein mix than creatine. For now.
Sounds like your friend has a degree in broscience. |
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Stats as of October 15, 2010
age: 20
weight: ~153 lbs
height: 5'7", 5'8" with shoes
reach: 7'5.5" in shoes
svj: 30 (vertec)
rvj: 35 (vertec) ~36 (dunk)
full squat 1rm: 315 (msem) ~325 (estimate)
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 08:48:29 am » |
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If you can only do one I would do a whey protein isolate or whey mix (isolate + concentrate). Whey is the most basic supplement, a quick digesting protein to take after your workouts or to "supplement" with your meals throughout the day.
Creatine is a bit more advanced imo, the average broski who works out doesn't need to take it but it is good for athletes. Creatine increases ATP production which is utilized during anaerobic activities, such as... vert, low rep weightlifting, sprinting, etc. Contrary to popular broscience you don't need to "cycle" creatine, you can take it forever, just like whey protein. You should notice some nice strength increases if you start creatine.
why? ... just get the cheapest one with a good taste that you like! Pure concentrate is the lowest grade shit. Plus the fact that the study where they found a bunch of protein powders had traces of metal in them, most of those were the popular concentrates (Muscle Milk etc). dude, its the same protein! isolate is made from concentrate and hydrolysate is made from isolate. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 10:29:05 am » |
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Purity and the process of purifying matters. Isn't casein hydrolosate even FASTER absorbing than whey? Thoughts on that, guys? |
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DamienZ
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2011, 10:38:32 am » |
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Purity and the process of purifying matters.
Isn't casein hydrolosate even FASTER absorbing than whey? Thoughts on that, guys?
absorption rate doesnt matter at all... |
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LanceSTS
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 11:16:29 am » |
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Purity and the process of purifying matters.
Isn't casein hydrolosate even FASTER absorbing than whey? Thoughts on that, guys?
Yep,( whey) hydrolysates are a faster absorbing form . " Hydrolysates are predigested, partially hydrolyzed whey proteins that, as a consequence, are more easily absorbed, but their cost is generally higher. [8] Highly-hydrolysed whey may be less allergenic than other forms of whey. [10] They are very bitter in taste.” The only time I use the hydrolysate is post workout, a slower absorbtion rate (casein/isolate) is more beneficial during the rest of the day as you dont need or want the quick absorbtion during these times. One thing I have noticed in my experience with it is that more advanced lifters and athletes seem to love the hydrolysate pwo and notice a difference, most of the beginner/intermediate level dont. Whether or not its the absorbtion rate or simply the purity, I and many others notice a difference enough to be valid for us. For athletes undertaking multiple training sessions per day, or people who have digestion issues with typical whey proteins, the hydrolysate can be beneficial imo. |
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Dreyth
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2011, 12:40:20 pm » |
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Purity and the process of purifying matters.
Isn't casein hydrolosate even FASTER absorbing than whey? Thoughts on that, guys?
absorption rate doesnt matter at all... That I know. In fact, I take weightgainer with a mix of a bunch of crap that's slowly absorbing Other stuff i don't understand: The "mix" of whey and casein to create a "time release formula." You don't get the best of both worlds. Whey will not absorb as fast as whey if you're taking whey+casein at the same time. The casein will slow it down... lol And yes, whey isolate gets absorbed faster, and hydrolyzed whey isolate, even faster, but I thought "new research" showed that casein hydrolosate was faster than both. Whatever, who cares because: How did the notion that you need to absorb protein as fast as possible (and therefore choose whey) after a workout get so popular? Where are the sources for this? I've heard it a bunch of times but never saw studies. Another thing, I remember reading that whey doesn't hit peak absorption rates until about 45-min to 60-min after ingesting it... so wouldn't it make more sense to take it at the start of the workout, so you're hitting that peak rate as you finish off? I know that more and more people are taking pre- and post-workout whey now, but sometimes people *only* take post-workout for whatever reason when they could easily take it *only* pre-workout. Another thing I read (lol i need to bring in some sources cuz I'm just rambling) is that a high amino acid profile in your blood isn't what causes muscle synthesis, but the actual spike in the level of amino acids itself... as an analogy, it's about the acceleration, not the top speed. So what some people were recommending was alternating whey with casein to get greater (as in amount and in frequency) amino acid spikes throughout the day. Sounds like that would make sense to me, but not sure why it's the spike that's beneficial instead of the amino acids themselves. I guess maybe it's the body foreseeing a need to build muscle or something in anticipation of higher amino acid levels. Makes sense to me! Gotta find these sources though. |
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DamienZ
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 02:31:18 pm » |
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absorption rate matters only on an empty stomach, so usually it never matters for anyone |
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KokoyPinoy
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2011, 10:02:52 pm » |
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Ow, i asked this because a friend of mine said that when a beginner trainee, like me, consumes whey protein, its effect will be minimal because our muscles are not that burned. Because whey protein is to fast absorbed by our body some of it will not be consumed after working out. He said that it is more appropriate for body builders than for athletes. I don't know if that's true that's why I'm asking here what's better. Your friend is wrong. So it is better to take isolate or whey protein mix than creatine. For now.
THEY BOTH DO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. If you can only afford one then go with the protein for sure, but thats like asking whats better, a hammer or a screw driver. Ow thanks, sir lance. Ow, Btw my goal is be more explosive (jump higher) even if that's my goal i should take whey protein? I heard and read that creatine is for more ATP production and explosiveness. |
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Lont term:
175klsx2
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