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« on: January 23, 2011, 09:06:15 am »
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I am Lactose Intolerance and I get diarrhea 2-3 hours after drinking milk. Is Soy Milk a good substitute for a post work-out drink? I can't afford, for now, protein shake(whey protein) but I'm currently saving up for it.
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 03:28:52 am »
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Just eat food then.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 07:37:11 am »
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Quote from: Clarence on January 27, 2011, 03:28:52 am
Just eat food then.

This. Or buy lactaid, or buy lactase pills.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 08:00:41 am »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 27, 2011, 07:37:11 am
Quote from: Clarence on January 27, 2011, 03:28:52 am
Just eat food then.

This. Or buy lactaid, or buy lactase pills.
Quote from: Clarence on January 27, 2011, 03:28:52 am
Just eat food then.

Thanks for your reply! But is soy milk a good substitute for milk for a post work-out drink?
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 09:58:52 am »
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Quote from: KokoyPinoy on January 27, 2011, 08:00:41 am
Thanks for your reply! But is soy milk a good substitute for milk for a post work-out drink?

no. it makes you into a pussy
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 11:22:07 am »
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Quote from: zgin on January 27, 2011, 09:58:52 am
Quote from: KokoyPinoy on January 27, 2011, 08:00:41 am
Thanks for your reply! But is soy milk a good substitute for milk for a post work-out drink?

no. it makes you into a pussy

correct. also soy doesn't have as-high-quality protein as milk.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 01:46:33 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 27, 2011, 11:22:07 am
Quote from: zgin on January 27, 2011, 09:58:52 am
Quote from: KokoyPinoy on January 27, 2011, 08:00:41 am
Thanks for your reply! But is soy milk a good substitute for milk for a post work-out drink?

no. it makes you into a pussy

correct. also soy doesn't have as-high-quality protein as milk.

Well, maybe. However, it's looking increasingly like the concentrations of isoflavones just isn't high enough in soy to make a measurable, never mind statistically significant difference in hormone levels. You can demonstrate it in rats by feeding them insane amounts of isolated isoflavones though.

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A 2010 meta analysis of 15 placebo controlled studies showed that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable testosterone concentrations in men [22] Furthermore, Isoflavones supplementation has no effect on sperm concentration, count or motility, and show no changes in testicular or ejaculate volume.[23][24]
22. ^ Hamilton-Reeves JM, Vazquez G, Duval SJ, Phipps WR, Kurzer MS, Messina MJ. (2010). "Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis". Fertil Steril. 94 (3): 997–1007. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2009.04.038. PMID 19524224.
23. ^ Dabrowski, Waldemar M. (2004). Toxins in Food. CRC Press Inc. p. 95. ISBN 978-0-8493-1904-4.
24. ^ Mitchell JH, Cawood E, Kinniburgh D, Provan A, Collins AR, Irvine DS (June 2001). "Effect of a phytoestrogen food supplement on reproductive health in normal males". Clin. Sci. 100 (6): 613–618. doi:10.1042/CS20000212. PMID 11352776. http://www.clinsci.org/cs/100/0613/cs1000613.htm. Retrieved 2008-12-20.

Also an article by JB for Tnation that covered some of the studies comparing soy supplemtation with whey and casein in elite olympic athletes:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/soy_whats_the_big_deal

I've actually wanted to ask Sean about this.
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2011, 04:34:54 pm »
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It's a load of nonsense from what I can see. So far tests haven't shown that they lower testerone. They also haven't shown that they effect estrogen levels/activity or act in the same way as estrogen when taken in at a physiologically relevant level. Maybe if you ate 5 pounds of tofu a day it might, but nothing is good for you in those sort of doses. Basically if they do have effects you need to be intaking them in ridiculous levels. Soy milk tastes like shit though so personally I wouldn't drink it!

Also on the side - the gym I used to go to in Japan had a 50 year old powerlifter/bodybuilder and blackbelt in judo who was the Nagasaki champion while he was in highschool. Dude was a beast. Seriously, a fucking beast! His son (who I taught) was a marathon runner, and a fucking good one at that. His youngest son (who was a fucking beast in the weight room and only 12 years old) was a sumo wrestler and ranked no. 3 in the prefecture. His oldest son is a pro baseball player in Japan. All unbelievable athletes and they ate Japanese all day - miso, tofu and edamame. None of them used any supplements either. As an anecdote - the 15 year old marathon runner weighed about 50kg soaking wet and could easily bench 75kg. For his build, age, weight and considering he could run for days, that is fucking beastly!
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2011, 07:41:09 am »
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So, Soy Milk and Soy products does not affect, except when taken in high amounts, my biological processes. So drinking it will neither give bad or good effects. As Sean0013 stated.
Quote from: Sean0013 on January 27, 2011, 04:34:54 pm
It's a load of nonsense from what I can see. So far tests haven't shown that they lower testerone. They also haven't shown that they effect estrogen levels/activity or act in the same way as estrogen when taken in at a physiologically relevant level. Maybe if you ate 5 pounds of tofu a day it might, but nothing is good for you in those sort of doses. Basically if they do have effects you need to be intaking them in ridiculous levels. Soy milk tastes like shit though so personally I wouldn't drink it!

Also on the side - the gym I used to go to in Japan had a 50 year old powerlifter/bodybuilder and blackbelt in judo who was the Nagasaki champion while he was in highschool. Dude was a beast. Seriously, a fucking beast! His son (who I taught) was a marathon runner, and a fucking good one at that. His youngest son (who was a fucking beast in the weight room and only 12 years old) was a sumo wrestler and ranked no. 3 in the prefecture. His oldest son is a pro baseball player in Japan. All unbelievable athletes and they ate Japanese all day - miso, tofu and edamame. None of them used any supplements either. As an anecdote - the 15 year old marathon runner weighed about 50kg soaking wet and could easily bench 75kg. For his build, age, weight and considering he could run for days, that is fucking beastly!
Maybe except for low quality proteins, as
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correct. also soy doesn't have as-high-quality protein as milk.
LBSS stated.

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Quote from: KokoyPinoy on January 27, 2011, 08:00:41 am
Thanks for your reply! But is soy milk a good substitute for milk for a post work-out drink?

no. it makes you into a pussy
Would you explain, it makes me into a pussy, further? How does it makes me a pussy?

Thanks for your replies. I will continue drinking Soy Milk because I like the taste and it does not make me shit to much. I hate diarrhea.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2011, 08:23:55 am »
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It's fine for you! If tofu is cheap in the Phillipines you can eat that too. Lentils, chicken, fish, soy-beans are fine too.

P.S. Stay away from dairy. You're lactose intolerant - alot of Asians are.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 10:33:10 pm »
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Quote from: Sean0013 on January 28, 2011, 08:23:55 am
It's fine for you! If tofu is cheap in the Phillipines you can eat that too. Lentils, chicken, fish, soy-beans are fine too.

P.S. Stay away from dairy. You're lactose intolerant - alot of Asians are.

Thanks! I have a question. If you're lactose intolerance that does not mean you can't absorb the other nutrients(protein, calcium, etc) in milk, right?
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2011, 03:05:27 pm »
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Why not try Goat milk?
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2011, 03:15:32 pm »
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It means your body has a immune reaction to lactose and you shouldn't drink milk. lol.
Goat's milk has lactose too btw.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2011, 11:25:49 pm »
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Soymilk is gay.
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1148&bih=653&q=soymilk+is+gay&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=fe514d94a7f5d781

There's your proof.
Now go to 6:12
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEgYZ8j-GGc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEgYZ8j-GGc</a>
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2011, 09:39:21 am »
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Quote from: Sean0013 on February 09, 2011, 03:15:32 pm
It means your body has a immune reaction to lactose and you shouldn't drink milk. lol.
Goat's milk has lactose too btw.

Even though Goat's milk has lactose in it, a lot of people who can't drink cow milk can replace it w/ goat milk and not have problems, so it's worth a try IMO.
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