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« on: August 21, 2011, 03:55:22 pm »
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Hey everyone. My name is Petros. I have been lurking checking this site out for a while. Its seems real legit.

I am 16 years old. I don't have any concrete goals at the moment. I want to do track this year, and sprinting to be specific. I used to be able to do a 5 minute mile way back when I was 14, but idgaf about the mile right now. I want to letter, and be the fastest at my high school.

I am also rather skinny (but still sorta chubby), so getting muscular is a goal. I have a 315 trap bar deadlift max, a 200 something squat (about 230x1) , 135 bench max, a 125 incline max, can do 14 chinup, have about a 30 inch vertical, and can power clean about 100 pounds all at 5'8 150. i am short but I am rather lanky though. (6'1 wingspan)

I strength train at school for 30-35 minutes in a class so my routine has to be simple and give the most bang for my buck. Track starts in february. I plan on improving my squat to repping out 305, bench to repping 225, cleaning 185.

I plan on lifting at school, and finishing up what i didn't do later on afterschool. Sprinting 10-40 yarders twice a week on either M,W, or F. Jumping rope daily, and playing basketball whenever I feel like it. My schedule is pretty flexible for the most part

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2011, 06:02:24 pm »
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My goals are to work up to: in pounds

275x5 squat (200)
185x5 bench (120)
155x3 power clean (100)
be 10 % bodyfat (visible six pack)
 
Im gonna do these 3 exercises at weight training 2-3 times a week.
Imma play ball whenever 3-4x week
Sprint on Mondays and fridays or only on Wednesday. 10-40 yards
Jump Rope daily.
Do 5-10 rounds of sun salutations nightly
sleep 8-10 hours a night.
Eat 4 meals a day w/ a protein and fruit/vege at each. At least 1 gallon of water each day.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2011, 02:39:31 pm »
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i have a question what are you to log...

is it something like sleep, diet, how i felt, training, anythingthing else. I need like a simple template.

Today at weight training.

Squat 100x5, 125x5, 150x5, 175x5, 185x5, 175x5
Incline 95x5, 105x5, 105x5
Chinups BW+25

ran out of time. Might do some cleans and sprints later on tonight
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 02:47:07 pm »
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i have a question what are you to log...

is it something like sleep, diet, how i felt, training, anythingthing else. I need like a simple template.

Today at weight training.

Squat 100x5, 125x5, 150x5, 175x5, 185x5, 175x5
Incline 95x5, 105x5, 105x5
Chinups BW+25

ran out of time. Might do some cleans and sprints later on tonight


LOGGING EVERYTHING will help and you can do it for sure, but you don't NEED to.  It will help of course.

At a minimum, log all your workouts and everything else that relates to your goals (body weight, etc..)
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Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 37"
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 02:53:35 pm »
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so would something simple as

08/22/11
BW:
Diet:
Fatigue/Soreness:
Sleep Schedule:
School Work:

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2011, 02:54:46 pm »
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so would something simple as

08/22/11
BW:
Diet:
Fatigue/Soreness:
Sleep Schedule:
School Work:



That's perfect, except of course you forgot your workouts
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Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 37"
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 02:56:40 pm »
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I was wondering what would be the simplest way to improve before the end of the year

My squat max from 200x5 to 305x5
Bench Max from 115x5 to 225x5
Clean from 105x1 to 175x1
Get ripped from a slightly chubby
Increase a little muscle mass


Main goal improve 100 time
I train at school for 35 minutes. I can lift extra after school. So i could do Squats and cleans during class (no else does them) Then I can do bench/incline/biceps/triceps at home (ie the beach work to look swole).
 
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 03:00:20 pm »
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I was wondering what would be the simplest way to improve before the end of the year

My squat max from 200x5 to 305x5
Bench Max from 115x5 to 225x5
Clean from 105x1 to 175x1
Get ripped from a slightly chubby
Increase a little muscle mass


Main goal improve 100 time
I train at school for 35 minutes. I can lift extra after school. So i could do Squats and cleans during class (no else does them) Then I can do bench/incline/biceps/triceps at home (ie the beach work to look swole).
 

Eat a lot, but the diet has to be clean.  Careful not to overwork yourself.  Progressively overload.  And most importantly, be consistent and stick with your routine.  Don't end up like me, doing one thing for a while, then switching to another.  I regret it with the utmost passion.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 03:07:37 pm »
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i think i am going to do this every MWF

Squat: 5rm based on bar speed (no grinding)
Bench/Incline: 5rm based on bar speed (no grinding)
Clean/Snatch: 3rm based on speed (no overexerting)

the usual bi's/tri's/abs/calves whenever

sprinting Mondays and Fridays

Jump roping on a daily or near daily basis
Yoga nightly (chills me down...i getreally hype for no reason a lot): just a couple rounds of sun salutations

plus hooping whenever and chilling w/ my niggas

Very simple. So it wont be hard to be consistent
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 03:11:18 pm »
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idk what my diet should be like though. Like simple daily goals so that it will help me get ripped, and once i get ripped, I can gain mass.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 03:16:36 pm »
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i think i am going to do this every MWF

Squat: 5rm based on bar speed (no grinding)
Bench/Incline: 5rm based on bar speed (no grinding)
Clean/Snatch: 3rm based on speed (no overexerting)

the usual bi's/tri's/abs/calves whenever

sprinting Mondays and Fridays

Jump roping on a daily or near daily basis
Yoga nightly (chills me down...i getreally hype for no reason a lot): just a couple rounds of sun salutations

plus hooping whenever and chilling w/ my niggas

Very simple. So it wont be hard to be consistent

You're a sprinter.  That routine looks fine to me, BUT you gotta add 1 more exercise.  A hip dominant glute/ham exercise (dead lift/rdl/ghr/whatever)

If you wanna get ripped and lean FIRST and then add some bulk, go on a high protein low carb diet.  Calories can be pretty much maintenance.  These past 7 weeks, I have consistently been on a high protein (150-200g a day at 153lb BW) and low-moderate carb diet.  I try to get carbs ONLY from fruits and vegetables, but some days I'll eat other stuff like bread or pasta and stuff.

In the 7 weeks, I definitely lost body fat, looking a lot leaner and ripped than ever before, abs got more visible, and I probably went from ~14% to ~12% BF maintaining weight at 151-153 lbs.  If I had been more consistent with the low carb, and I wasn't in a foreign country studying abroad, I could have gotten leaner, but I'm pretty happy with where I'm at.  When you lean down to 10-12%, just continue getting in 1-1.5x g of protein/ 1lb of BW, and you can stop worrying about the carbs.  And getting caloric surplus if you wanna gain some more muscle weight.
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Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 37"
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 06:25:46 pm »
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just played a coupple games of ball. smh. legs are done. Im limiting this to saturdays. Legs are D-U-D DEAD (Repo's reference)
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 02:42:14 pm »
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08/23/11
BW: 144.2 after jumping rope (need to get it in the morning)
Diet: cookie+ cheeseburger/apple/pineaple+ turkey sausage
Fatigue/Soreness: sore in my butt and upper ham plus my quads
Sleep Schedule: 11-6
School Work: Been lazy ass fuck. Its been 3 weeks and still havent done my calc hw.

Jump Roped for about 10 minutes. I am really sweet with a jump rope (can go stupid fast and do bunch of footwork tricks). I guess I haven't jump roped in a month or two but my chest started hurting.

I need a simple routine for this that is not based on time, so i can get in and get out and not think.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 05:23:46 am »
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Hey man,

sure I can look by. You seem like pretty capable for your age and weight, but I agree that there is still lots of potential and your goals seem very reasonable. A couple pointers....

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My squat max from 200x5 to 305x5
Bench Max from 115x5 to 225x5
Clean from 105x1 to 175x1
Get ripped from a slightly chubby
Increase a little muscle mass

You stated that you want to get there before the end of the year. It's end of August now, so you have around 4 months left to accomplish that. I would say that you can do the squat and possibly the powerclean in ~ 10 weeks, but if it takes you 12 weeks that would still be reasonably good progress considering you are sprinting regularly, too (and I think that's very good). Either way, you are in a situation where optimizing your training is of great importance if you want to get there fast.

Two things might hinder you right now or a little later to improve in the necessary tempo:

- conflicting goals: getting ripped and making really fast strength increases don't go well together for a beginner
- 35 minutes for a work-out is very little time if you want to do those 3 very good exercises you chose

Changing those two lies entirely in your responsibility. You have to decide what you want to accomplish and what takes primary concern over something else.
My personal view is: "Being ripped" is not a bad thing, but from a performance standpoint it is entirely meaningless if you have the strength of a kitten and the weight of a twig. So my advice would be to save that goal for a little later. Think about it this way: The sooner you get to your 305 lbs x 5 squat and have a bench press and powerclean corresponding to that progress, the more time you have until the end of the year to dial back a little volume, but maintain the intensity of your training and go on a slight caloric deficit with a cleaned up diet etc. This way at the end of the year you might have your goals accomplished for the most part and look a lot more muscular than before, maybe even with a lower bodyfat percentage. But if you begin switching between those two goals (strength vs. bodyfat) the whole time undecided of what is more important right now you will not even get half the progress done until next year. So you should think about that.
The other part is with the training time. If 35 minutes three times per week is the best thing possible for you right now, then so be it. Training can be modified accordingly if needed, but you have to understand that this is not optimal by far and might hinder you to accomplish your goals. You can and should still try, but there are no guarantees. Just as with strength and getting ripped, strength and little time don't go well together.

Now about programming:

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i think i am going to do this every MWF

Squat: 5rm based on bar speed (no grinding)
Bench/Incline: 5rm based on bar speed (no grinding)
Clean/Snatch: 3rm based on speed (no overexerting)

Basically, this is not a bad idea, but it is influenced negatively by the time component of your training. Rather sooner than later you will need more work in the exercises that are most important to you (squat, bench, powerclean) to reach your goals. Right now you are doing 6 heavy reps with the powerclean per week and 10 heavy reps in the bench press. It will work for a while, but IF you absolutely need to restrict your training time to 35 minutes per session you HAVE to sacrifice the assistance work.

If you figure out a way to train longer than that, this changes everything, but if not, then this is what I would do:


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WEEK 1:

Monday:

Squat: 2 sets of 5
- sets across
Bench press: 3 sets of X
- as many reps as you can with 45 seconds rest between sets; increase reps each time up to 3 sets of 8, then increase weight by 10 lbs


Tuesday:

Chin-Ups: 3 sets of X
- as many reps as you can, take your time with the breaks, just make sure that your total reps get higher at least every week

Wednesday:

Squat: 1 set of 5
- 80% of Monday's weight
Powerclean: 3 sets of 3
- sets across with new 3 rm

Thursday:

Rest

Friday:
Squat: 2 sets of 5
- sets across: 5 lbs more than on Monday
Bench press: 3 sets of X
- as many reps as you can with 45 seconds rest between sets; increase reps each time up to 3 sets of 8, then increase weight by 10 lbs


WEEK 2:

Monday:

Squat: 2 sets of 5
- sets across; 5 lbs more than on Friday
Powerclean: 3 x 3
- ramp up in 5 lbs steps to new 3 rm


Tuesday:

Chin-Ups: 3 sets of X
- as many reps as you can, take your time with the breaks, just make sure that your total reps get higher every week

Wednesday:

Squat: 1 set of 5
- 80% of Mondays weight
Bench press: 2 sets of 5
- sets across; 15 lbs more than Wednesday two weeks before

Thursday:

Rest

Friday:
Squat: 2 sets of 5
- sets across
Powerclean: 3 sets of 3
- ramp up in 5 lbs steps to new 3 rm

This is an effort to accommodate for your time restraints. It's not optimal in the grand scheme of things but it should allow constant progress in every exercise in every session. All exercises vary in volume and intensity through-out a 2 week phase. That is only so because of the 35 minutes training. A more simple approach would be preferable right now, but you will need the rest time so you can do the necessary PRs every time. Regarding chin-ups, you should be able to do them somewhere. And they are important for your shoulders. I would like you to do overhead presses, too, but it is just not possible with that little time in the weight room.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 08:03:49 pm »
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08/24/11
BW: 145 at night
Diet: egg-cheese biscuit+ 2 chicken patties (no bread)/peaches+pbj (pwo1) + spicey chicken sandwich/ice cream (pwo 2)
Fatigue/Soreness: glutes and hams
Sleep Schedule: 12-6 plus 4:00-8:00 in evening
School Work:anatomy...still haven't done math (the shit has piled up now)

At school:

1. Squats: got 6 reps with 185 so 190 on friday
95x5, 125x5, 150x5, 175x5, 185x6, 175x5
2. Incline: benches full again, will need to stay on 105 till i hit 8 reps
75x5, 95x5, 105x3, 95x5

After School

1, jump roped to warmup
2. about 8 or 9 five to 10 yard sprints. I felt like i didn't use all my strength (like i could have been faster, have always been slow at start)
3. Power snatches: 55x3, 75x3
4. Power cleans: 95x3, 100x3, 105x3 (felt easy 110 next time)


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