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« on: May 11, 2011, 02:11:18 pm »
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Hi everyone! Been reading the boards here for a few days and decided to start my own progress journal. Have always wanted to dunk, but never really was consistent enough with a workout plan to reach my goal. So now I have decided to get serious about this goal and to achieve it as soon as possible. My main goal is to be dunking as fast as I possibly can.

As of last week I started doing 2x a week workout sessions with a combination of plyometrics exercises and strength training.

My stats as of right now as:

6'1 170 lbs and about 12% or so body fat. I only have a 26" vertical. Can barely tip the rip. Really embarrassed about that!!!

I can max 1/2 squat at about 300 lbs for 1 rep.

Please help and will post everytime I do a workout.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 06:55:39 pm »
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Today I had my second workout since starting my quest to dunking. Doing a combination of strength and plyometrics because I think I need a combination of both.

Here is my workout for the day:

Warm Ups
Light Squats to warm up
4 Sets of 8 reps of 255 1/2 squats
3 Sets of 15 reps of squat jumps
4 Sets of Barbell Calve Raises
3 Sets of Step Ups with 2 20lb dumbbells


Was going to do more but was my body told me that was enough. Didn't want to over do it. Going to have my next workout most likely sunday.



My goals:

Dunk Cleanly! (Probably Need About 8 Inches)
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 07:13:50 am »
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My quads are still soooo sore from Wednesday's workout. Not a great feeling. I'm supposed to be playing indoor basketball tonight with a bunch of friends. Hopefully by then my legs will be a little better. Thinking about taking 3 advils to relieve pain before I play.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 06:03:53 pm »
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Took a few days to recoup after an intense basketball session on friday night. Yesterday I dislocated my finger so I have to be very careful with my finger. I am going to have an intense workout session tomorrow. Going to up my squat numbers and do some depth jumps this week. Hopefully my recovery time is a lot shorter this week!
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 06:16:19 pm »
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Had an intense workout session tonight!! Here is what I did:

Light Stretching
Few Sprints
Light Warmup Squats
3 Sets of 1/2 Squats at 275 lbs and 7 reps
1 Set of 135 lb explosive squats all the way down
3 Sets of 10 Reps of Two Step High Reach Jumps
3 Sets of 8 Reps of Depth Jumps off 18" platform
3 Sets of 10 Reps of Squat Jumps Holding (2) 20lb dumbbells
4 Sets of 10 Reps of Calf Raises with 205 pound barbell


Feel exhausted! Hoping my recovery is shorter this week so I can get in a good 3 day workout week. Anyone have any comments on my workout routine or able to help at all? This was my third serious session. My goal is to grab rim by the end of the month. Need probably two more inches.




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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 07:23:52 pm »
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Intense workout tonight as well. Here it is:

Stretching
High Jumps 3 Sets of 10 Reps
Half Squats 275 pounds of 3 sets of 6 reps
Depth Jumps off 20" height. 3 sets of 8 reps
Step Ups with 30lb dumbbells in each hand. 3 Sets of 8 Reps
Squats jumps with 30lb dumbbells in each hand. Sets of 10 Reps
4 Sets of Calve Raises


Depth jumps don't seem to be doing as much as I had hoped. Maybe Im not doing it right cuz i don't feel anythin from them. Please feel free to give me tips. Been watching videos and I feel like I am doing them right. Just not getting fatigued or sore from them. Maybe I need to go higher then 20"


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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 09:20:40 pm »
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Hey man, I noticed one of your workouts, you did 3 sets of 15 jump squats...  That is way too many reps for a set.  Jump squats are an explosive exercise and you should be trying to be as explosive as possible on each jump/rep.  If you are, after about 3-6 reps, you should not be able to do another rep as explosively anymore.  These reps are UNwanted.  You want to teach your body to be explosive as possible, so doing less than 100% explosive reps should not be performed. 

Workouts aimed for explosiveness keep them under 6 reps.  Same with other workouts, if you're trying to get as strong as you can, unless you want hypertrophy, which is fine.

Had an intense workout session tonight!! Here is what I did:

Light Stretching
Few Sprints
Light Warmup Squats
3 Sets of 1/2 Squats at 275 lbs and 7 reps
1 Set of 135 lb explosive squats all the way down
3 Sets of 10 Reps of Two Step High Reach Jumps
3 Sets of 8 Reps of Depth Jumps off 18" platform
3 Sets of 10 Reps of Squat Jumps Holding (2) 20lb dumbbells
4 Sets of 10 Reps of Calf Raises with 205 pound barbell


Feel exhausted! Hoping my recovery is shorter this week so I can get in a good 3 day workout week. Anyone have any comments on my workout routine or able to help at all? This was my third serious session. My goal is to grab rim by the end of the month. Need probably two more inches.



What are explosive squats?  Do you mean you're doing squats, and going upwards as fast as you can?  Because if you're goal is to jump higher, you should be doing this on ALL your squats. 

Another thing, on calf raises, try to do sets of at least 15+ reps.  20 is a good number to aim for.  I didn't expect this neither, but according to much more knowledgable people on here, calf raise ROM is so little and time under tension is also too little, higher reps is better to build strength when it comes to calf raises.

Also just wondering, are you a two leg jumper, or single leg jumper?

Whatever it is, you should be having 2-3 jump sessions a week.  Go out to a bball court, warm up however u want (shooting/games/jog/sprint) and then go for about 10-15 max effort jumps trying to touch/grab rim as high as you can.  You can go past 15 jumps if you want, but you should stop whenever you feel your starting to drop off in height on your jumps.  Remember what I said before, if you're no longer able to be as explosive, stop.  These jump sessions should also be used to work on your jump technique/form.

And what is your workout schedule like?  Do you have a set/planned schedule, or do you just wing it?

Good luck and tell me how it goes. 
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Current vertical : 37"
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2011, 02:06:53 am »
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Hey man, looks like you are on your way. I totally agree with Ineedtodunk above about the jump squats, you don't need to do more than 6-8 max, and definitely get a pure jumps session into your week, you'll be surprised how much that helps early on. Also, if you are fairly new to athletic jumping like this, I wouldn't bother doing depth jumps yet, they're pretty advanced. Just develop your leg strength, and rely on the jumps sessions and low-level plyos stuff like pogo jumps and maybe tucks, short acceleration sprints etc for your explosiveness. Once you get really strong (1.5xBW on your full squat) and you feel ready, I'd incorporate some depth jumps then.

Last point, are you gonna do anything for your hamstrings like deadlifts, 45 deg back extensions or glute ham raises? I'd suggest doing some of those as well.

Keep it up!
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2011, 06:27:57 am »
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Thanks guys I really do appreciate the feedback and the help. Ok I will do lower more explosive reps with squat jumps and higher reps of calve raises.

Yeah I do all my squats as as explosive as I can. But I figured if i did lower weight which I was of course able to put up faster, maybe that would help as well.

I am more natural of a one foot jumper, but I find I get up the same height for both one and two foot jumps.

Ok I will incorporate some more hamstring specific stuff into my workouts. I thought sprints and squats would indirectly hit them enough.

I like your idea of going to the park and just practicing touching the rim. I will definitely try to do that more.

Well right now I am going based on my body's fatigue. If i feel my body is not ready to be at all engaged in an explosive workout I wont. My fatigue is going down, so I will probably go to 3 days a week workouts. Been doing two a week. I usually stick with a certain few exercises that I do every workout. The other ones I figure in are basically the ones I feel like I need or feel like doing.

My squats are definitely going up. Do I really need to be doing full squats? Feel like adarq has proved that 1/2 squats are more effective.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 11:06:03 am »
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Thanks guys I really do appreciate the feedback and the help. Ok I will do lower more explosive reps with squat jumps and higher reps of calve raises.

Yeah I do all my squats as as explosive as I can. But I figured if i did lower weight which I was of course able to put up faster, maybe that would help as well.

I am more natural of a one foot jumper, but I find I get up the same height for both one and two foot jumps.

Ok I will incorporate some more hamstring specific stuff into my workouts. I thought sprints and squats would indirectly hit them enough.

I like your idea of going to the park and just practicing touching the rim. I will definitely try to do that more.

Well right now I am going based on my body's fatigue. If i feel my body is not ready to be at all engaged in an explosive workout I wont. My fatigue is going down, so I will probably go to 3 days a week workouts. Been doing two a week. I usually stick with a certain few exercises that I do every workout. The other ones I figure in are basically the ones I feel like I need or feel like doing.

My squats are definitely going up. Do I really need to be doing full squats? Feel like adarq has proved that 1/2 squats are more effective.

You don't NEED to do full squats, half squats are fine since you're trying to do jump higher.  What Acole meant was, before you get into depth jumps and want to make them effective for you, your strength level has to be at a point where your strong enough to full squat 1.5x your BW.  Half squatting 1.5x BW means you are not strong enough, since that will equate to a much lower full squat.  I see your max half squat 300lbs and your weight 170lbs so that's 1.76xBW.  I guarantee that your strength level on a full squat is lower than 1.5xBW. 

Regarding using lower weight to move the weight faster, save that for jump squats.  That's where you want to focus on maximal bar speed and explosiveness.

Yes get at least 1 p-chain glute/hamstring workout.  Especially since your a 1 foot jumper.  It's needed more for us 1 foot jumpers. 

And yes, jump sessions help tremendously.  You gotta make your body adapt, and basically send it a message with frequent jumping motions telling it, "I need to be optimal at this".  Keep working on form and technique as well if yours is not good already.  Lots of people start to jump higher just from jump sessions.  It's arguably the single best thing you can do to increase your vertical.  To just go JUMP.  But of course, it can only take you so far.

I like your hard work during your workout sessions, but remember, you don't necessarily HAVE to destroy your body on each workout, leaving you exhausted and sore for the next few days.  And if you're going to do explosive workouts AND heavy strength workouts on the same day, explosive stuff should be done FIRST.  Remember what I said earlier, when doing explosive stuff, every rep and set should be your 100% maximal explosive potential.  If these are done after heavy squatting, obviously they won't be as explosive.  I like to keep them on separate days.  Doing explosive stuff hinders my strength exercises, so I gotta separate the days.  Others can handle it.  Depends on the person.

I would recommend making a schedule more structured and consistent.  For now, focus on getting stronger, and having frequent jump sessions.  Having frequent jump sessions will be hard, if you're totally burning yourself out on your workouts.  Remember you don't need tons of volume and soreness to improve.  Just because you didn't spend 2 hours working out and are sore for 3 days after, does not mean you didn't workout well.

Good luck and keep it up.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2011, 07:11:55 pm »
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Been listening and taking advice to a few of you guys, and I decided to come up with a structured plan weekly. This doesn't include jump sessions that I plan on doing multiple times a week. These are just my 2 day a week workouts. Please give me advice. Feel like I incorporated a lot of the ideas you guys have. Here they are:

Day 1:
Stretching
Static hip flexor stretching
½ Squats 4 Sets of 6-8 Reps
Rim Jumps - 2 Sets of 10 Reps
Rhythmic Lunge Jumps – 2 Sets of 10 Reps
Weighted Step Ups 2 Sets of 6 Reps
Glute Ham Raises/or Lying Hamstring Curls 3 Sets of 8 Reps
Calf Raises 4 Sets of 20 Reps


Day 2:
Stretching
Static hip flexor stretching
Few Sprints
½ Squats 4 Sets of 6-8 Reps
Low Pogo Jumps – 3 Sets of 20 Seconds
High Pogo Jumps – 3 Sets of 20 Seconds
Rim Jumps 2 Sets of 10 Reps
Tuck Jumps 2 Sets of 10 Reps
Broad Jumps 2 Sets of 4 Reps
Bounding



How does it look? If good, I will probably start tomorrow!
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2011, 07:51:27 pm »
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Not bad, I think you might need to change the order a bit though...I think it's usually best to do the explosive part of your workout first because you need to be fresh for those exercises. For example, I'd do day one like this:

Stretching
Static hip flexor stretching
Rim Jumps - 2 Sets of 10 Reps
Rhythmic Lunge Jumps – 2 Sets of 10 Reps
maybe another exercise like tuck jumps 3x8-10

then:

½ Squats 4 Sets of 6-8 Reps
Weighted Step Ups 2 Sets of 6 Reps
Glute Ham Raises/or Lying Hamstring Curls 3 Sets of 8 Reps
Calf Raises 4 Sets of 20 Reps

But that's just me. Also, your overall workouts seem to be favouring more plyometric exercises, which are great, but remember that these are designed to express the strength you have right now more effectively. Ultimately, you need to push that squat weight up, get super strong hamstrings etc. so maybe you should address the balance of heavy weight/plyometrics exercises. I would strongly recommend you check out the JackM split, it sounds perfect for you I think.

http://www.adarq.org/forum/program-review/jackm-split/
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2011, 08:14:00 pm »
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I agree with acole, focus more on strength oriented workouts for now.  Plyo's are more fun and exciting, but don't make the same mistake I did.  If I can go back in time, I will definitely would have been patient and focused heavily on strength in the beginning. 

Also, do not static stretch before workouts/jump sessions.  Always dynamic stretch. 

And yes, explosive stuff first, then strength.  I prefer doing them separate days.  But remember, focus on strength.  Get those squat/calf raise numbers up, while also strengthening your glutes and hams. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 04:40:29 pm »
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I looked over that program like it a lot! It seems very easy to follow! Did my first workout today, let me know what you think. Must have pulled muscle in my ankle because it was sore the whole workout and it still hurts.

This was my workout:

Stretching
2 Sets of Pogo Jumps
1 Set of Rim Jumps
1/2 Squats - 5 Sets of 5 Reps of 280lbs
Lying Hamstring Curls 3 Sets of 10 Reps
Standing Barbell Calf Raises 4 Sets of 20 Reps


Doing something like this two days a week while improving my strength numbers should definitely help right?

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 06:09:48 pm »
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I looked over that program like it a lot! It seems very easy to follow! Did my first workout today, let me know what you think. Must have pulled muscle in my ankle because it was sore the whole workout and it still hurts.

This was my workout:

Stretching
2 Sets of Pogo Jumps
1 Set of Rim Jumps
1/2 Squats - 5 Sets of 5 Reps of 280lbs
Lying Hamstring Curls 3 Sets of 10 Reps
Standing Barbell Calf Raises 4 Sets of 20 Reps


Doing something like this two days a week while improving my strength numbers should definitely help right?



That is a nice looking workout, make sure that stretching is DYNAMIC stretching and not static.  I'm serious.

What do you mean by "doing something like this WHILE improving my strength numbers"?  That workout right there is strength based.  Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but yes, don't make the same mistake I made when I first vert trained, and just realize that it really is SIMPLE, not easy, but simple.  Don't overthink it.

Do that workout right there 2x a week, with like 3-4 days in between, for example, M/Th or T/F or M/F, etc..  If your volume isn't much and you feel like you can handle it, you can go up to 3x a week like a M/W/F schedule if you want.  I think GHR's are better than Hamstring curls, but I'm not too sure about this.  Get those squat numbers up, along with calf raise numbers.  Then yes, it should definitely help.  

Honestly, just doing these 2x a week along with 2-3 jump sessions should be perfect right now.  Don't make the mistake I did and try to do too much at once, it will hinder your progress. Then when you get pretty strong, you can do a more plyo oriented workout if you wish.  But doing so right now, wouldn't be optimal IMO.

You may experience what many people go through.  No vertical gains through a strength phase, but relax, your setting yourself up for vert gains with future plyometic/explosive oriented workout routines.  First gotta get STRONG.

If there's one thing I learned from my time of vert training so far, it would have to be that you gotta be patient.  And I don't say that meaning gains will come SLOW, I mean that by don't let the fact that you don't get rapid gains, make you change your routine or etc..
Good luck.
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