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« on: November 08, 2010, 04:09:06 pm »
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AGE: 18

HEIGHT: 5'10 (without shoes)

WEIGHT: 190lbs

SLEEP SCHEDULE: Getting to bed at around 12 and waking up at 8-9 on weekdays (only part time job atm) on weekends I stay up longer and sleep as long as I feel up to. No troubles falling asleep and I wake up pretty fast and feel fresh.

BODY TYPE: Muscular. Broad shoulders, broad hips... Carrying more muscle mass in my upperbody than lowerbody right now. Bodyfat is at around 13%.

GOALS: Short term: Get fitness levels up move and feel better, improve body composition (cut some weight down) keep improving strength (upper and lowerbody) while not adding too much unneeded bodyweight, jump higher.
Long term: 34''SVJ/40'' RVJ, 400lbs + squat, 275lbs militarypress, 2xBW chinup

CURRENT ABILITY: I'm coming of a long period of knee issues and still somewhat dealing with it though I feel like a lot of it is mental as I'm not experiencing much pain at all. Still I'm moving kind of clumsy/slow feel out of shape and heavy...  I'm winded way too early when I play soccer, basketball or whatever and I feel the lactic acid building up way too fast with such activities. Regarding my strength levels: militarypress 180lbs x 1, Chinups + 55lbs x 4, Split squats 160lbs x 8 (submax, easy). Vert numbers: SVJ 24''/RVJ 27,5''

INJURY HISTORY: As I stated above I can look back on a long history of knee issues...  Visited several specialist and got a lot of different diagnoses: jumpers knee, plica syndrom, runners knee, patella tendinitis, inflamed hoffa fat pad... Did 2 MRI's which of the last showed no damage to any knee structures (ligaments, cartilage, menisci..) which is good but also a bit frustrating as I still don't know really what it is but it's giving me still problems... it tends to get inflamed over and over again when I overdo it. Problematic things (training related): deep knee bends, high volume of max jumps, high impact (shock) plyos, high volume of training in general

TRAINING HISTORY & ACHIEVEMENTS: Started training when I was 14 years old... had pretty bad eating disorders before. When I started training I was like 85lbs heavy at a height of 5'2-5'3'' so maaad skinny no muscles whatsoever... So I've come a long way since then and I'm pretty proud of that. I got interested in vert training like 1-2 years after started with programs of kelly baggets vertical jump bible increased my lowerbody strength heaps and got my SVJ from 15'' to 24''. But always focused too much on hypertrophy/strength work although I'm strength dominant by nature and thus my weightroom numbers have always been a lot better than my actual performance levels on the field.

CURRENT ACTIVITY LEVEL AND/OR TRAINING PROGRAM: Training upperbody twice and lowerbody once a week in the weigthroom. In addition to that I started to do more TKE stuff besides that to help with my knee health/stability. I also try to get in some low level "plyometrics" two times a week. Like some RFI line hops, pogo hops, submax approach jumps etc... really need to start light here and improve volume/intensity over time

BRIEF OVERVIEW OF CURRENT DIET: I try to eat pretty clean but I definitely eat too much junk. A normal day for me looks like this: Morning: 3 scrambled eggs with cheese and ~0.5l milk then some fruits/nuts, some yogurt/more milk an hour or two later then for lunch I eat meat (chicken most of the time or lamb, pork) with pasta rice or potatoes, some veggies and or salad. A few hours later I drink more milk and maybe some bread with some cut up... for dinner I have whatever there is in the fridge... cheese, ham, yogurt etc. But I also like to eat a good pizza or other unhealthy food here and there... I definitely eat too much candy in between.

IMPORTANT ACTIVITIES: Volleyball practice 2 times a week not too intense though as I'm the setter of our team and thus I don't get all that much jumping in still don't want to be super tired here. Currently I'm inseason so I have a game on the weekend sometimes...

Haha ok I'm finally done... would be nice if you (adarq) or anyone else could give me some input. I'm a bit lost about in which direction my training should lead (especially lowerbody)... if you need to know more about some things just let me know, tried to do it as detailed as possible though, as you may see Wink

Stay tuned!
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 02:53:36 am »
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Monday 7.11.2010
Upperbody workout
Weight: 191lbs (clothed)


Warmup shoulder prehab (face pulls, dip shrugs, db internal/external rotations; 3 sets each)

Iso-Miometric benchpress (down, pause, explode up)
130lbs 4x2

Iso-Miometric pullup (down, pause, explode up)
BW + 5lbs 4x2

Militarypress
up to 160lbs x 3

BB chest supported rows
up to 205lbs x 4

Abs: Planks 2x1:30 (always feel those mostly in the shoulders not in my midsection... wtf?)

Conclusion: Good workout. The ramp up on militarypresses was ver suboptimal... tired me out too much. Otherwise I probably would have gotten 160lbs for 5 reps.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 04:11:38 am »
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AGE: 18

HEIGHT: 6'0 (without shoes)

WEIGHT: 190lbs

SLEEP SCHEDULE: Getting to bed at around 12 and waking up at 8-9 on weekdays (only part time job atm) on weekends I stay up longer and sleep as long as I feel up to. No troubles falling asleep and I wake up pretty fast and feel fresh.

uhh, nice sleep schedule.. Smiley


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BODY TYPE: Muscular. Broad shoulders, broad hips... Carrying more muscle mass in my upperbody than lowerbody right now. Bodyfat is at around 13%.

GOALS: Short term: Get fitness levels up move and feel better, improve body composition (cut some weight down) keep improving strength (upper and lowerbody) while not adding too much unneeded bodyweight, jump higher.
Long term: 34''SVJ/40'' RVJ, 400lbs + squat, 275lbs militarypress, 2xBW chinup

CURRENT ABILITY: I'm coming of a long period of knee issues and still somewhat dealing with it though I feel like a lot of it is mental as I'm not experiencing much pain at all. Still I'm moving kind of clumsy/slow feel out of shape and heavy...  I'm winded way too early when I play soccer, basketball or whatever and I feel the lactic acid building up way too fast with such activities. Regarding my strength levels: militarypress 180lbs x 1, Chinups + 55lbs x 4, Split squats 160lbs x 8 (submax, easy). Vert numbers: SVJ 24''/RVJ 27,5''

no pain at all? interesting, thought you were still experiencing pain, though not much of it.. I definitely see how you could be "imagining it" at this point, you've dealt with the knee issues for so long.




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INJURY HISTORY: As I stated above I can look back on a long history of knee issues...  Visited several specialist and got a lot of different diagnoses: jumpers knee, plica syndrom, runners knee, patella tendinitis, inflamed hoffa fat pad... Did 2 MRI's which of the last showed no damage to any knee structures (ligaments, cartilage, menisci..) which is good but also a bit frustrating as I still don't know really what it is but it's giving me still problems... it tends to get inflamed over and over again when I overdo it. Problematic things (training related): deep knee bends, high volume of max jumps, high impact (shock) plyos, high volume of training in general

deep knee bends on ANYTHING, or just squat? I imagine lunges feel better than squats?


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TRAINING HISTORY & ACHIEVEMENTS: Started training when I was 14 years old... had pretty bad eating disorders before. When I started training I was like 85lbs heavy at a height of 5'2-5'3'' so maaad skinny no muscles whatsoever... So I've come a long way since then and I'm pretty proud of that. I got interested in vert training like 1-2 years after started with programs of kelly baggets vertical jump bible increased my lowerbody strength heaps and got my SVJ from 15'' to 24''. But always focused too much on hypertrophy/strength work although I'm strength dominant by nature and thus my weightroom numbers have always been a lot better than my actual performance levels on the field.



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CURRENT ACTIVITY LEVEL AND/OR TRAINING PROGRAM: Training upperbody twice and lowerbody once a week in the weigthroom. In addition to that I started to do more TKE stuff besides that to help with my knee health/stability. I also try to get in some low level "plyometrics" two times a week. Like some RFI line hops, pogo hops, submax approach jumps etc... really need to start light here and improve volume/intensity over time




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BRIEF OVERVIEW OF CURRENT DIET: I try to eat pretty clean but I definitely eat too much junk. A normal day for me looks like this: Morning: 3 scrambled eggs with cheese and ~0.5l milk then some fruits/nuts, some yogurt/more milk an hour or two later then for lunch I eat meat (chicken most of the time or lamb, pork) with pasta rice or potatoes, some veggies and or salad. A few hours later I drink more milk and maybe some bread with some cut up... for dinner I have whatever there is in the fridge... cheese, ham, yogurt etc. But I also like to eat a good pizza or other unhealthy food here and there... I definitely eat too much candy in between.

pizza isn't junk Smiley diet looks good, except for the candy..


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IMPORTANT ACTIVITIES: Volleyball practice 2 times a week not too intense though as I'm the setter of our team and thus I don't get all that much jumping in still don't want to be super tired here. Currently I'm inseason so I have a game on the weekend sometimes...





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Haha ok I'm finally done... would be nice if you (adarq) or anyone else could give me some input. I'm a bit lost about in which direction my training should lead (especially lowerbody)... if you need to know more about some things just let me know, tried to do it as detailed as possible though, as you may see Wink

Stay tuned!

I was going to reply to each paragraph but I think it would be better to do so here.. I think you definitely need to focus on getting in better shape, from what I gather in your posts, you definitely lack a bit of fitness that would help you when dealing with all of those forces you need to absorb, during jumping, during volleyball, etc.

This line indicates that: "Problematic things (training related): deep knee bends, high volume of max jumps, high impact (shock) plyos, high volume of training in general"

As for the other stuff you list, i'm one who is basically, do not work through an exercise if it is causing problems, so, anything that is bugging your knees is out of the question IMO, you just need to convince yourself that exercise doesn't even exist... But that last comment, about high volume of training in general aggravating your knees, that can be improved.. That is a work capacity issue.. So, just like you focus on gradually increasing the intensity of rfi, pogos, etc, the same can be said for the volume of training overall. As you adapt to being able to handle more intense sessions, or more volume per session, you'll be able to do alot more athletically without it bugging those knees.

One of the best ways to improve work capacity, ability to handle forces/impacts, increase strength in key muscle groups, is to incorporate sprinting. For now, I would simply incorporate interval sprints. Do not go all out of course, this would need to be progressed. So, 2x/week, you'll want to get in two interval sprinting sessions, which can be done before lower or upper, doesn't matter. 2 sets of 10 @ 20m should serve as a good start.. sprint, walk back, repeat for 9 more sprints, rest ~3min, hit set 2.. etc.. Avoid going complete max though, start out light so you can progress over the course of say 4 weeks, with the goal of running @ say 90% at the end of 4 weeks, for 2 sets of 10... so right now start out at "70%". Eventually, a nice way to do it is to split it up into 2 types of sessions, say 2 x 20 @ 20m, and 2-3 x 5 @ 40-60m. Only the first one is important right now.

I would still avoid squatting for now, until you get back in much better shape, even then though, you might want to avoid it.. Nothing wrong with using unilaterals to improve SVJ/RVJ, as long as body composition/fitness/jumping/reactive work is there, SVJ/RVJ will improve on unilaterals.

So, I think the overall approach is this:

1. cut out candy (limit it too like 1-2x/week at most)
2. incorporate interval sprints, improve work capacity, keep up current training - slowly progressing lifts, jumps, and low level reactive work.. most jump sessions here will be submax, but that's anywhere from 70-95%, let's consider 100% a psyched up max effort jump.
3. incorporate more intense reactive work & low-volume intense jump session, phasing it in gradually, continue to progress strength in unilaterals

not the most eye dropping approach, but simple & effective.. steps 1 & 2 are focusing on body composition, work capacity, and overall fitness.. You need that before going on to step 3. Your jumping should improve alot just by improving alot at step 2, so..

so, nothing real crazy now, pretty much what you're doing and then adding in some other stuff to help you prepare for more intense work.

regardless of any of my advice, if it is bugging your knees, don't "suck it up and fight through it", definitely chill & re-evaluate.

pc man!
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 06:22:02 am »
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no pain at all? interesting, thought you were still experiencing pain, though not much of it.. I definitely see how you could be "imagining it" at this point, you've dealt with the knee issues for so long.

I wouldn't say no pain at all... but mostly it's just some slight discomfort here and there for example when I have to go deep for defense or land akwardly etc. I also get weird clicking noises a lot (mostly when cold, in everyday's life) also my knees tend to get very stiff at times. But yeah a lot of it is mental though... I'm worried to get hurt again and shut down. I could imagine that my jumping ability would be better without any knee issues as I feel like the strength is there but I can't properly "express" it.

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deep knee bends on ANYTHING, or just squat? I imagine lunges feel better than squats?

Yeah just deep knee bends where the knee goes over my toes by a fair amount so high bar ATG squatting is hell (feels very uncomfortable). Learned that I feel way better with unilateral lifts (split squats, step ups...) forward lunges also feel a bit akward too... I prefer reverse lunges. There is still some clicking doing all these quad dominant movements though but it's not painful so I figured it's nothing to really worry about as long as it doesn't get worse.

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One of the best ways to improve work capacity, ability to handle forces/impacts, increase strength in key muscle groups, is to incorporate sprinting. For now, I would simply incorporate interval sprints. Do not go all out of course, this would need to be progressed. So, 2x/week, you'll want to get in two interval sprinting sessions, which can be done before lower or upper, doesn't matter. 2 sets of 10 @ 20m should serve as a good start.. sprint, walk back, repeat for 9 more sprints, rest ~3min, hit set 2.. etc.. Avoid going complete max though, start out light so you can progress over the course of say 4 weeks, with the goal of running @ say 90% at the end of 4 weeks, for 2 sets of 10... so right now start out at "70%". Eventually, a nice way to do it is to split it up into 2 types of sessions, say 2 x 20 @ 20m, and 2-3 x 5 @ 40-60m. Only the first one is important right now.


I would love to do some sprints but I don't really have access to a track or something... and very limited space in general... I could do them in the garage but I also just have like 20m space there... only thing I could do is doing them on the street in the front of our house but it's on concrete and on a incline... in addition to that it would really get my neighbours wondering about me ... Cheesy other possibilities? Maybe some intervall rope skipping or bike intervalls...?

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1. cut out candy (limit it too like 1-2x/week at most)
2. incorporate interval sprints, improve work capacity, keep up current training - slowly progressing lifts, jumps, and low level reactive work.. most jump sessions here will be submax, but that's anywhere from 70-95%, let's consider 100% a psyched up max effort jump.
3. incorporate more intense reactive work & low-volume intense jump session, phasing it in gradually, continue to progress strength in unilaterals

Sounds like a very reasonable approach to me. But as I said I want to limit my lowerbody weigthroom work to once a week for now as I think that improving fitness levels, movement efficiency etc. is way more important right now.

So my schedule would look something like this:

Monday: Upperbody + volleyball practice
Tuesday: reactive work, conditioning and lowerbody weights
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: volleyball practice
Friday: Upperbody + conditioning
Saturday: reactive work + submax jumps
Sunday: rest or game

I also started to do some max effort approach jumps at the rim on thursday during/after my team practice (only like 3-5 though) increasing volume over time here.

Thanks for the helps man, really apreciating it!
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no pain at all? interesting, thought you were still experiencing pain, though not much of it.. I definitely see how you could be "imagining it" at this point, you've dealt with the knee issues for so long.

I wouldn't say no pain at all... but mostly it's just some slight discomfort here and there for example when I have to go deep for defense or land akwardly etc. I also get weird clicking noises a lot (mostly when cold, in everyday's life) also my knees tend to get very stiff at times. But yeah a lot of it is mental though... I'm worried to get hurt again and shut down. I could imagine that my jumping ability would be better without any knee issues as I feel like the strength is there but I can't properly "express" it.

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deep knee bends on ANYTHING, or just squat? I imagine lunges feel better than squats?

Yeah just deep knee bends where the knee goes over my toes by a fair amount so high bar ATG squatting is hell (feels very uncomfortable). Learned that I feel way better with unilateral lifts (split squats, step ups...) forward lunges also feel a bit akward too... I prefer reverse lunges. There is still some clicking doing all these quad dominant movements though but it's not painful so I figured it's nothing to really worry about as long as it doesn't get worse.

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One of the best ways to improve work capacity, ability to handle forces/impacts, increase strength in key muscle groups, is to incorporate sprinting. For now, I would simply incorporate interval sprints. Do not go all out of course, this would need to be progressed. So, 2x/week, you'll want to get in two interval sprinting sessions, which can be done before lower or upper, doesn't matter. 2 sets of 10 @ 20m should serve as a good start.. sprint, walk back, repeat for 9 more sprints, rest ~3min, hit set 2.. etc.. Avoid going complete max though, start out light so you can progress over the course of say 4 weeks, with the goal of running @ say 90% at the end of 4 weeks, for 2 sets of 10... so right now start out at "70%". Eventually, a nice way to do it is to split it up into 2 types of sessions, say 2 x 20 @ 20m, and 2-3 x 5 @ 40-60m. Only the first one is important right now.


I would love to do some sprints but I don't really have access to a track or something... and very limited space in general... I could do them in the garage but I also just have like 20m space there... only thing I could do is doing them on the street in the front of our house but it's on concrete and on a incline... in addition to that it would really get my neighbours wondering about me ... Cheesy other possibilities? Maybe some intervall rope skipping or bike intervalls...?

damn,sucks!@$!@

jump rope intervals are nice, they can't replace interval sprints in terms of force absorption, but they are good for conditioning and they do help lightly with force absorption.

I would avoid bike intervals, no FA there.

You could do higher rep tuck jumps, a set of 20 is pretty intense, but I don't know how that would effect your knee.. It's something to try though, don't even need to go max effort on them, submax high rep tucks are pretty intense conditioning-wise, and they provide some good FA, still not near the level of sprints though.

High rep tucks & jump rope intervals would be good then, but again, make sure to start out light and progress, so to not overdo it too quick.. MR tuck intervals would look like:
8 x 10 initially, 30s rest between sets.. eventually you could go 8 x 15, 8 x 20, etc.

Jump rope interval would look like:
8 x 100 initially, 1min rest between sets.. eventually you could get to 8-12 x 200-300.


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1. cut out candy (limit it too like 1-2x/week at most)
2. incorporate interval sprints, improve work capacity, keep up current training - slowly progressing lifts, jumps, and low level reactive work.. most jump sessions here will be submax, but that's anywhere from 70-95%, let's consider 100% a psyched up max effort jump.
3. incorporate more intense reactive work & low-volume intense jump session, phasing it in gradually, continue to progress strength in unilaterals

Sounds like a very reasonable approach to me. But as I said I want to limit my lowerbody weigthroom work to once a week for now as I think that improving fitness levels, movement efficiency etc. is way more important right now.

So my schedule would look something like this:

Monday: Upperbody + volleyball practice
Tuesday: reactive work, conditioning and lowerbody weights
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: volleyball practice
Friday: Upperbody + conditioning
Saturday: reactive work + submax jumps
Sunday: rest or game

I also started to do some max effort approach jumps at the rim on thursday during/after my team practice (only like 3-5 though) increasing volume over time here.

That schedule looks good.. !!



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Thanks for the helps man, really apreciating it!

np man.. havn't offered too much help so far, given the circumstances, but i hope i did offer some help.. looking forward to seeing some big progress man.

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May 2011 Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-k

May13-2011 Nice dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73BhhFenp7o&feature=player_embedded

APRIL 2011 DUNK RECAP/MIX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPS1Sm10ds

Some hard freakin` dunks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nukAo_IizA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7URZQ3Y4U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQo64DzV70

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misc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Og

end of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 02:54:56 am »
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Had an important game yesterday so didn't do any reactive work beforehand to be as fresh as possible. Did some low box TKE's though. Feel like they already helped me a lot with my knees. I feel more stable/strong in my movements. Felt good during volleyball game and jumping was pretty decent, definitely around PR levels, although my left shin was giving me some problems. Did a hard spike down to the 10' line on my only attack of the game (setter) which I never managed to do before so I was quite happy about that and screamed out loud! Cheesy Still we lost 3:0 (25:19, 25:21, 25:20)... sucks!

I'll begin cutting some weight now. Trying to get down to at least 175lbs while getting in better shape, improving strength.
Starting point: bodyweight 186lbs (out of bed), waist 33.25'' --> bodyfat 13.2% according to this http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/
Goal: Bodyweight 175lbs, 8% bodyfat

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jump rope intervals are nice, they can't replace interval sprints in terms of force absorption, but they are good for conditioning and they do help lightly with force absorption.

I would avoid bike intervals, no FA there.

You could do higher rep tuck jumps, a set of 20 is pretty intense, but I don't know how that would effect your knee.. It's something to try though, don't even need to go max effort on them, submax high rep tucks are pretty intense conditioning-wise, and they provide some good FA, still not near the level of sprints though.

High rep tucks & jump rope intervals would be good then, but again, make sure to start out light and progress, so to not overdo it too quick.. MR tuck intervals would look like:
8 x 10 initially, 30s rest between sets.. eventually you could go 8 x 15, 8 x 20, etc.

Jump rope interval would look like:
8 x 100 initially, 1min rest between sets.. eventually you could get to 8-12 x 200-300

Found a way to do the sprints at least once a week... will start next tuesday. On the other day I'm most probably gonna do some jump rope intervals. Doing two intervall sprinting sessions a week maybe would have been a bit much for my knees to begin with anyways.

Session on tuesday looks like this:

Warmup: jog, dynamic flexibility, activation, TKE's

RFI line hops 3x10s
Stiff leg ankle hops 3x5 (prefer them over pogo hops)
Submax jumps (starting with low volume and @ around 80% --> increasing volume/intensity over time)

20m sprints 2x10 (start @ around 70% intensity as you told me)
 
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Had an important game yesterday so didn't do any reactive work beforehand to be as fresh as possible. Did some low box TKE's though. Feel like they already helped me a lot with my knees. I feel more stable/strong in my movements. Felt good during volleyball game and jumping was pretty decent, definitely around PR levels, although my left shin was giving me some problems. Did a hard spike down to the 10' line on my only attack of the game (setter) which I never managed to do before so I was quite happy about that and screamed out loud! Cheesy Still we lost 3:0 (25:19, 25:21, 25:20)... sucks!

nice!

do you often do low box tke's prior to a game?



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I'll begin cutting some weight now. Trying to get down to at least 175lbs while getting in better shape, improving strength.
Starting point: bodyweight 186lbs (out of bed), waist 33.25'' --> bodyfat 13.2% according to this http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/
Goal: Bodyweight 175lbs, 8% bodyfat

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jump rope intervals are nice, they can't replace interval sprints in terms of force absorption, but they are good for conditioning and they do help lightly with force absorption.

I would avoid bike intervals, no FA there.

You could do higher rep tuck jumps, a set of 20 is pretty intense, but I don't know how that would effect your knee.. It's something to try though, don't even need to go max effort on them, submax high rep tucks are pretty intense conditioning-wise, and they provide some good FA, still not near the level of sprints though.

High rep tucks & jump rope intervals would be good then, but again, make sure to start out light and progress, so to not overdo it too quick.. MR tuck intervals would look like:
8 x 10 initially, 30s rest between sets.. eventually you could go 8 x 15, 8 x 20, etc.

Jump rope interval would look like:
8 x 100 initially, 1min rest between sets.. eventually you could get to 8-12 x 200-300

Found a way to do the sprints at least once a week... will start next tuesday. On the other day I'm most probably gonna do some jump rope intervals. Doing two intervall sprinting sessions a week maybe would have been a bit much for my knees to begin with anyways.

Session on tuesday looks like this:

Warmup: jog, dynamic flexibility, activation, TKE's

RFI line hops 3x10s
Stiff leg ankle hops 3x5 (prefer them over pogo hops)
Submax jumps (starting with low volume and @ around 80% --> increasing volume/intensity over time)

20m sprints 2x10 (start @ around 70% intensity as you told me)
 
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nice!
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 03:47:01 am »
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do you often do low box tke's prior to a game?

No this is the first time I did them before a game but I'll definitely keep it up. Doing TKE's at least 3 times a week from now on... maybe even increasing the volume/frequency a bit... seems like they really help.
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 03:55:03 am »
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do you often do low box tke's prior to a game?

No this is the first time I did them before a game but I'll definitely keep it up. Doing TKE's at least 3 times a week from now on... maybe even increasing the volume/frequency a bit... seems like they really help.

ahhh, nice.. that idea got inception'd into your head from the prototype561 journal? loll..

glad it helped man.. they are definitely very effective, and you can mix it up with quite a few variations.. high frequency tke's work fine, just have to make sure you don't forget it's just activation, and don't start doing them too intense every day etc.. but in your situation they will definitely help.

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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 04:04:33 am »
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haha not really... it was just the first time doing them right before a game and I do them from a low box the way you don't like it (second link in proto's journal) lol... just feels the best doing them this way for me Smiley I do them for sets of 12-15 with added resistance. Weight in backpack (10lbs atm) maybe adding in some bands at some point etc. still I'm not struggling at all and going nowhere near failure here... yeah I think doing them 3x/week is optimal for me atm. I'll incorporate them before teampractices/games from now on as it worked so well yesterday.

Expect some big improvements to come in the next weeks/months. Losing 10lbs of weight while improving strength, fitness and movement efficiency will definitly yield a good 3-4'' improvement on my RVJ.

 
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 06:54:53 am »
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Hey, you could definitely do sprints outside on your street on the incline. Incline is better than flat anyway imo, and going up hill puts way less stress on your joints + better for acceleration.  I think i have done about 8 full weeks 2xper week up a hill in a street near me 10x15m, 5x 20m 1-2 40m. You could only do 10-15x15 if you wanted also, thats easily enough volume to get quicker +some jumps after, prob nomore then 50 total, 100 max. Make sure you rest 1 min for every 10m you run.

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 03:20:41 pm »
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Hey, you could definitely do sprints outside on your street on the incline. Incline is better than flat anyway imo, and going up hill puts way less stress on your joints + better for acceleration.  I think i have done about 8 full weeks 2xper week up a hill in a street near me 10x15m, 5x 20m 1-2 40m. You could only do 10-15x15 if you wanted also, thats easily enough volume to get quicker +some jumps after, prob nomore then 50 total, 100 max. Make sure you rest 1 min for every 10m you run.

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yup great post. the concrete/pavement impact is way less going up hill.

pavement is actually better than pue concrete in terms of force absorption apparently.. I know I definitely feel the difference when I sprint on the sidewalk vs the street.
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 03:42:09 am »
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Hm yeah sound very reasonable, definitely will give them a try... but for the next 4 weeks I'll only be sprinting once a week to start with and not overdo it. After that I may go twice a week for a while.

Today I did:

Some activation stuff (prone glute, non tripods)
BW planks 1x4min straight
TKE's off 8'' box: 15lbs 3x12

Conclusion: Wanted to see how long I can hold a normal plank and after 4mins I stopped. Not too bad, core is pretty strong. Probably could have gotten another 30-60s going through the bad pain but didn't want to tire myself out too much. I love doing planks and I'll add them in 1-2x/week from now on but with added weight on my back. TKE's felt good. Game later on today.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 02:11:29 pm »
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Volleyball game today: We lost 3:0 again shit! Played pretty good though. Sprained my ankle badly after 2nd set. Came down from a block jump and put all my weight ond left foot.. but unfortunately there was another foot already... Sad was in pretty good pain and tried not to scream loudly somehow surpressed it. Now ankle is all swollen up and I can't put ANY pressure on my left leg. Don't know how long I'll be out but definitely no more lowerbody training for this week. Sucks! Hope I'll be better next week to at least do some strength work.

Pissed and still in pain!!!!

Positive note: Jumping felt very good today. They didn't felt all muscled up and didn't have to try too hard to jump decently. Did one submax (~90-95%) dropstep jump to push back the backboard, which is 115'' high (measured it once), after the warmup. The rim was in the way for serving. Got my hands 4-5'' over it which is a 119-120'' touch which equals to a 26-27'' dropstep jump. I'll call it a 26.5'' jump. This is a PR and not even max effort. Was surprised.  headbang
Just too bad that I'll probably wont be doing any jumping or stuff for at least 1-2weeks.  

I'm out to ice the shit out of it now!
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Volleyball game today: We lost 3:0 again shit! Played pretty good though. Sprained my ankle badly after 2nd set. Came down from a block jump and put all my weight ond left foot.. but unfortunately there was another foot already... Sad was in pretty good pain and tried not to scream loudly somehow surpressed it. Now ankle is all swollen up and I can't put ANY pressure on my left leg. Don't know how long I'll be out but definitely no more lowerbody training for this week. Sucks! Hope I'll be better next week to at least do some strength work.

Pissed and still in pain!!!!

Positive note: Jumping felt very good today. They didn't felt all muscled up and didn't have to try too hard to jump decently. Did one submax (~90-95%) dropstep jump to push back the backboard, which is 115'' high (measured it once), after the warmup. The rim was in the way for serving. Got my hands 4-5'' over it which is a 119-120'' touch which equals to a 26-27'' dropstep jump. I'll call it a 26.5'' jump. This is a PR and not even max effort. Was surprised.  headbang
Just too bad that I'll probably wont be doing any jumping or stuff for at least 1-2weeks.  

I'm out to ice the shit out of it now!

great news & shitty news in the same post, i hate that :/

congrats on PR and hope you heal up quick.. definitely stay consistent with the ice & compression (ace bandage).
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May13-2011 Nice dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73BhhFenp7o&feature=player_embedded

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lion swag dunk mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhyqcL4fO-g

misc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Og

end of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8

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