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« on: December 21, 2010, 01:33:37 pm »
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I am definitely down for this.  I've been training myself for the last 4 months because I quit smoking bud and doing opiates cold turkey and cigs.  I have a beer once in awhile, that's it.

In 7th and 8th grade I played aau bball, freshman year was the last time I played organized ball (quit in middle of season, unmotivated).  Barely played ball after that, and played sparingly after high school.  Also developed some bad habits like smoking, bad diets etc.  Since freshman year till now, I've gained about 50-60 lbs and only grew about 1 in.

My stats right now-

AGE: just turned 26 few months ago

HEIGHT: 5 ft 8in 1.5cm

WEIGHT: 179lbs

SLEEP SCHEDULE: Right now i have a very erratic sleeping schedule because I used to do a lot of substances and played poker for a living (late nights and 1-2 day poker sessions, casinos, etc).  I also have to wake up 2 times a week at 4 am to run pick up games with this group of dedicated bball players, so that messes up my sleeping.

BODY TYPE: I am kind of fat, and I carry a lot of fat around my belly and upper body. I think I am around 20-25% body fat.  I was once 125 lbs with 6% body fat.

GOALS: I'd like to make NAIA team as a walk on next year fall semester when I enroll into college.  It is a wack division so I think I have a chance.  Dunking would be nice, but short term goal is to touch the rim which I'm about 5 inches short.

CURRENT ABILITY:

Standing vertical- 24-25 in.
Max bench- 210 lbs
Max free motion machine squat- 330
Regular barbell squat unknown due to bad form

Current routine in addition to pickup games and bball league:

Mondays and Wednesdays:

incline bench 3x10x115
bench 3x7x135
dumbell bench 3x15x70
free motion machine squat 3x5x160-220

decline situps 3x20

Tuesdays and Friday or saturday:

b. pull up machine 3x7x80 (need to be spotted around 100lbs)
dumbell rows 2x15x35
rows 2x12x105
lateral raises 2x15x30
45 degree hyper extention 2x15
pull up machine ab exercise (raising legs) 2x25
dumbell deadlift 2x12x70



INJURY HISTORY: No serious injuries in the past, besides a very serious sprain in 4th grade that has completely healed when I was playing king of the mountain in the snow.  I have a little bit of plantar fasciitis when I dont stretch or when I run way too much.

TRAINING HISTORY & ACHIEVEMENTS: I used to train pretty hard in 7th grade- freshman year.  I went to basketball camps and trained myself every day and even won some awards at future stars, so i do have some type of experience in training.

CURRENT ACTIVITY LEVEL AND/OR TRAINING PROGRAM: For the last 3 months, I've been weight training, and playing a lot of pick up games.  Joined a church league that has some pretty solid competition with inner city and former standouts.  I lift about 2-3 times a week.  Haven't been doing a lot of plyo since I play a lot of pick up games and league basketball.

BRIEF OVERVIEW OF CURRENT DIET: I've been eating okay lately.  Steak, potato salad and veggie salads, fruits, breads.  I've stopped drinking soda completely in the last few months, replaced it with solid juice such as pure apple and cranberry.

IMPORTANT ACTIVITIES: Absolutely nothing besides basketball sessions on m-w-f for 2 hours.  It might make my legs pretty sore working out too much on those days.
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 01:42:14 pm »
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 welcome

330lbs ATG squat @ 180lbs bodyweight and 24'' vertical is a weird combination. One would expect you to be jumping higher. 25% bodyfat is an issue for sure but still , 24'' is too low for your ( BIG! ) relative strength.
What about your running vertical with 1 and 2 legs?
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 01:49:14 pm »
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welcome

330lbs ATG squat @ 180lbs bodyweight and 24'' vertical is a weird combination. One would expect you to be jumping higher. 25% bodyfat is an issue for sure but still , 24'' is too low for your ( BIG! ) relative strength.
What about your running vertical with 1 and 2 legs?

Notice its a machine squat, which is like night and day compared to free weight barbell squat.  My running vertical with one leg has to be atleast 3 inches higher.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 01:55:18 pm »
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Notice its a machine squat, which is like night and day compared to free weight barbell squat.  My running vertical with one leg has to be atleast 3 inches higher.

Ah , my bad , i saw the "free motion machine squat" and i thought you meant a squat rack.
Ok , time for adarq to take over! Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 01:58:47 pm »
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Vag, what did you think about air alert?  I heard it was inefficient and bad on the knees.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 02:11:09 pm »
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whatup man, welcome!


I am definitely down for this.  I've been training myself for the last 4 months because I quit smoking bud and doing opiates cold turkey and cigs.  I have a beer once in awhile, that's it.

nice, good shit


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In 7th and 8th grade I played aau bball, freshman year was the last time I played organized ball (quit in middle of season, unmotivated).  Barely played ball after that, and played sparingly after high school.  Also developed some bad habits like smoking, bad diets etc.  Since freshman year till now, I've gained about 50-60 lbs and only grew about 1 in.

My stats right now-

AGE: just turned 26 few months ago

HEIGHT: 5 ft 8in 1.5cm

WEIGHT: 179lbs

SLEEP SCHEDULE: Right now i have a very erratic sleeping schedule because I used to do a lot of substances and played poker for a living (late nights and 1-2 day poker sessions, casinos, etc).  I also have to wake up 2 times a week at 4 am to run pick up games with this group of dedicated bball players, so that messes up my sleeping.

BODY TYPE: I am kind of fat, and I carry a lot of fat around my belly and upper body. I think I am around 20-25% body fat.  I was once 125 lbs with 6% body fat.

GOALS: I'd like to make NAIA team as a walk on next year fall semester when I enroll into college.  It is a wack division so I think I have a chance.  Dunking would be nice, but short term goal is to touch the rim which I'm about 5 inches short.

a routine focusing considerably on fat loss would definitely be beneficial right now, of course you'd still get in your lifting to build/maintain mass while trying to drop that fight.. but that's a big issue right now to take care of.




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CURRENT ABILITY:

Standing vertical- 24-25 in.
Max bench- 210 lbs
Max free motion machine squat- 330
Regular barbell squat unknown due to bad form

Current routine in addition to pickup games and bball league:

Mondays and Wednesdays:

incline bench 3x10x115
bench 3x7x135
dumbell bench 3x15x70
free motion machine squat 3x5x160-220

decline situps 3x20

Tuesdays and Friday or saturday:

b. pull up machine 3x7x80 (need to be spotted around 100lbs)
dumbell rows 2x15x35
rows 2x12x105
lateral raises 2x15x30
45 degree hyper extention 2x15
pull up machine ab exercise (raising legs) 2x25
dumbell deadlift 2x12x70



INJURY HISTORY: No serious injuries in the past, besides a very serious sprain in 4th grade that has completely healed when I was playing king of the mountain in the snow.  I have a little bit of plantar fasciitis when I dont stretch or when I run way too much.

TRAINING HISTORY & ACHIEVEMENTS: I used to train pretty hard in 7th grade- freshman year.  I went to basketball camps and trained myself every day and even won some awards at future stars, so i do have some type of experience in training.

CURRENT ACTIVITY LEVEL AND/OR TRAINING PROGRAM: For the last 3 months, I've been weight training, and playing a lot of pick up games.  Joined a church league that has some pretty solid competition with inner city and former standouts.  I lift about 2-3 times a week.  Haven't been doing a lot of plyo since I play a lot of pick up games and league basketball.

no need for plyo right now, how often do you play pickup games, how often is the church league?




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BRIEF OVERVIEW OF CURRENT DIET: I've been eating okay lately.  Steak, potato salad and veggie salads, fruits, breads.  I've stopped drinking soda completely in the last few months, replaced it with solid juice such as pure apple and cranberry.

nice, do you like propel? an even better replacement for soda would be low kcal drinks such as propel, you can buy propel packets for cheap and they are only ~10kcal per packet.




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IMPORTANT ACTIVITIES: Absolutely nothing besides basketball sessions on m-w-f for 2 hours.  It might make my legs pretty sore working out too much on those days.

ah ok m-w-f..

have you been dropping weight? If you have, your current routine is still effective so, only thing would be to make sure your diet is clean and you're eating slightly less than maintenance kcal's for the majority of the week.. if you havn't been dropping weight, i'd start looking at diet and make some very small changes, such as drastically reducing bread/potato (carb) intake at least 2 days a week, replace with green veggies or chicken etc.. Another thing you can do, to shift the kcal's burned vs kcals intaked ratio in your favor, would be to add some more 'cardio' to your off days, BUT, nothing intense, so, the best option would be to add in some 60min walking at 3.5-4mph etc, it doesn't sound like much but it would be about 350-400 kcal's burned, so if you got 3 of those sessions in on your off-days, you're looking at yet another way of making a bigger dent in that fat loss equation, plus it's non intensive and is a nice form of recovery..

that's just some quick suggestions for now, because really, there's no need for anything advanced right now until body composition is much more in check, then you could start introducing plyos/intensifying your resistance training routine. Currently you have enough time under tension to at least maintain mass, so that's perfect, by dropping fat and maintaining mass you will inherently be getting stronger via relative strength improvements.. I'm sure you will actually be able to improve your lifts though.

Basketball should be your main form of activity to prepare the joints/ligaments/muscles for explosive work, no need for drops/plyos/jump squats or any of that right now.

So in summary, add in 60min of walking to off days, try and find some very low cal replacements for your juices such as propel, and work on reducing starch/bread intake at least 2x/week.. If you do that, you're looking at a major shift in the calories out vs calories in balance.

Hope that helps for now, look forward to seeing your progress man! any questions just drop em`.

peace!@$!@
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misc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Og

end of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 02:12:43 pm »
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Vag, what did you think about air alert?  I heard it was inefficient and bad on the knees.

ya it's not something we recommend, it's pretty dangerous.. if you're in extremely good shape, body composition, no injuries, then it could quite possibly be used as long as you were to stop it if you felt any kind of overuse injuries/tendon issues kicking in.. but in general, it's dangerous, most people suffer overuse injuries on it from what i've seen.

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"But you have never felt the burn that you get in the hip flexors from pulling back on the pedal stroke, you have never done the exercise in your life. Squatting ain't doing shit for your hip flexors blu." -- sickenin vendetta.

QuickMix: Gulf Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHyFdbJnrY&hd=1

The Promise Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed5VRE0lOXU&hd=1

Ballet Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_c2dz0C_4&hd=1

BoingTerd Dunk Session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mHaUoNpOg&hd=1

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adarq.org commercial #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYlngDcxFY = if at first you don't succeed, AMP THE F UP & TRY AGAIN.

lion swag dunk mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhyqcL4fO-g

misc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Og

end of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8

The "I think i'm dying dunk mix" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiXkdX5QLNo
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 02:52:09 pm »
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thanks man.  church league is once a week.  btw, for someone like me with excess body fat, is it okay to run pick up games at night, work out, and then go home and sleep without eating or should I at least have a protein shake and a small meal after intense exercise?  obviously i'd eat plenty prior to work out.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 09:29:30 pm »
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thanks man.  church league is once a week.  btw, for someone like me with excess body fat, is it okay to run pick up games at night, work out, and then go home and sleep without eating or should I at least have a protein shake and a small meal after intense exercise?  obviously i'd eat plenty prior to work out.

np man, nah it's DEFINITELY not good to not eat after training.. you should be getting in around 50g protein minimum, and the rest of the cals can come from a small portion of carbs/fats, but i'd load up on some green veggies like broccoli/spinach and cabbage.. beyond fat loss, the body still needs nutrition after training to help aid in the repair of the various tissues (muscle, ligament, bone, tendon, etc), so not eating after workout may have you feeling ok for a few days but the damage is being done, the body requires nutrients after intense training to suppress stress hormones, alleviate hunger (which will prevent a bigger binge meal), and repair tissues.

so protein shake + veggies would be the way to go imo.

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PED's in drug free sports is cheating, unethical, and weak. Athletes and/or coaches who condone/display this behavior can get lost.


"But you have never felt the burn that you get in the hip flexors from pulling back on the pedal stroke, you have never done the exercise in your life. Squatting ain't doing shit for your hip flexors blu." -- sickenin vendetta.

QuickMix: Gulf Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHyFdbJnrY&hd=1

The Promise Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed5VRE0lOXU&hd=1

Ballet Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_c2dz0C_4&hd=1

BoingTerd Dunk Session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mHaUoNpOg&hd=1

Dunk Films: dunk=surfing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp_z9fVyMQ

May 2011 Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-k

May13-2011 Nice dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73BhhFenp7o&feature=player_embedded

APRIL 2011 DUNK RECAP/MIX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPS1Sm10ds

Some hard freakin` dunks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nukAo_IizA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7URZQ3Y4U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQo64DzV70

WHO RUN IT DUNK MIX - PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xypWSL5YVEw

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misc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Og

end of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 09:34:32 pm »
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telfair used to live in the rich part of town 5 minutes from my house. i saw him at the gym once and he signed my middle school yearbook!    
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telfair used to live in the rich part of town 5 minutes from my house. i saw him at the gym once and he signed my middle school yearbook!    

In coney island or MINN?
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2010, 06:59:58 am »
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12/22

Ran 5 full court pick up games starting at 5:30 AM.  Lasted until almost 7:30 AM.

12/23

Incline bench: 7x95, 7x115, 5x135, 5x145, 3x155
bench: 7x135, 5x155
decline situps 1x30, vertical knee raise 1x30, 45degree hyper extension 1x15, ab machine 2x20
seated rows 7x105, 7x120, 7x 135
dumbell curls 10x25, 6x30

tested standing vertical at 22 in, a decrease of 1-2 inches from 10 days ago, lol.  Weight is still the same from last week, 178-179lb.
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telfair used to live in the rich part of town 5 minutes from my house. i saw him at the gym once and he signed my middle school yearbook!    

In coney island or MINN?

upstate new york. 45 min north of the city
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telfair used to live in the rich part of town 5 minutes from my house. i saw him at the gym once and he signed my middle school yearbook!    

cool, whatever happened to telfair?
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PED's in drug free sports is cheating, unethical, and weak. Athletes and/or coaches who condone/display this behavior can get lost.


"But you have never felt the burn that you get in the hip flexors from pulling back on the pedal stroke, you have never done the exercise in your life. Squatting ain't doing shit for your hip flexors blu." -- sickenin vendetta.

QuickMix: Gulf Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHyFdbJnrY&hd=1

The Promise Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed5VRE0lOXU&hd=1

Ballet Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_c2dz0C_4&hd=1

BoingTerd Dunk Session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mHaUoNpOg&hd=1

Dunk Films: dunk=surfing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp_z9fVyMQ

May 2011 Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-k

May13-2011 Nice dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73BhhFenp7o&feature=player_embedded

APRIL 2011 DUNK RECAP/MIX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPS1Sm10ds

Some hard freakin` dunks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nukAo_IizA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7URZQ3Y4U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQo64DzV70

WHO RUN IT DUNK MIX - PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xypWSL5YVEw

adarq.org commercial #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYlngDcxFY = if at first you don't succeed, AMP THE F UP & TRY AGAIN.

lion swag dunk mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhyqcL4fO-g

misc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Og

end of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8

The "I think i'm dying dunk mix" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiXkdX5QLNo
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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2010, 09:15:41 pm »
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12/24

Ran AM bball games for 3 hours, tested standing vertical, up 2 inches from just few days ago at 25in.

adarq, telfair is still playing ball right now for minnesota
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