psychomark32
Newbie
Posts: 13
|
 |
« on: July 28, 2011, 12:34:36 pm » |
0
|
Hello all, I have a couple tryouts coming up for indoor football teams. I'm a pretty experienced trainee. Weigh 178. Squat 385. Deadlift 385. VJ: 37 40: Low:4.40. Hi: 4.61: Median: 4.5 I usually build up to a 1 rep max once a week on the squat or deadlift. I do a couple other supplemental lifts for the p-chain. The rest of my time is devoted to speed training. What's a good strategy for trying to peak for tryouts? Rest for a few days to be super recovered and fresh and run the risk of losing technique. Or...hit the field every day for light workouts without pushing it too hard (i.e running at max velocity, doing a lot of volume) etc. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Raptor
|
|
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 01:55:17 pm » |
0
|
I'd go with very low volumes at high intensity every day. But it would probably burn you if you're not used to it. Whatever you do, don't jump too far away from what you'd normally do if you weren't peaking. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Daballa100
|
|
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 02:04:55 pm » |
0
|
I'd go with very low volumes at high intensity every day. But it would probably burn you if you're not used to it. Whatever you do, don't jump too far away from what you'd normally do if you weren't peaking.
x2 imo, no sense in doing something new, unless you want to see a miracle happen, but if it's for a tryout, I wouldn't bet on miracles. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Raptor
|
|
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 02:10:38 pm » |
0
|
If you're fond on olympic lifts you're probably good suited to use these as potentiation stuff in low volumes. Also, for me personally, deadlifting in very low volumes/heavy weights has had a delayed potentiation effect (usually 2 days after the deadlift day I jumped very high). |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
LanceSTS
|
|
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 08:40:03 pm » |
0
|
Hello all,
I have a couple tryouts coming up for indoor football teams.
I'm a pretty experienced trainee.
Weigh 178. Squat 385. Deadlift 385.
VJ: 37 40: Low:4.40. Hi: 4.61: Median: 4.5
I usually build up to a 1 rep max once a week on the squat or deadlift. I do a couple other supplemental lifts for the p-chain. The rest of my time is devoted to speed training.
What's a good strategy for trying to peak for tryouts?
Rest for a few days to be super recovered and fresh and run the risk of losing technique. Or...hit the field every day for light workouts without pushing it too hard (i.e running at max velocity, doing a lot of volume) etc.
At the volume youre training with, dont do anything drastic. Schedule youre training so that the last weight training day is at least 3-4 days from the try out, and cut the volume and intensity of your combine drills leading up to the combine. What works well is cut 1/4 the volume on day 1 (week of combine ~7 days out), day 2-4 another 1/4, days 5-6 should be doing 1/4 the volume/intensity of what you normally do on the field, basically going through the movements at half speed. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Relax.
|
|
|
|
undoubtable
|
|
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 09:11:57 pm » |
0
|
What works well is cut 1/4 the volume on day 1 (week of combine ~7 days out), day 2-4 another 1/4, days 5-6 should be doing 1/4 the volume/intensity of what you normally do on the field, basically going through the movements at half speed.
Lance, can this concept be used during a deload week when you're in the middle of a training cycle and trying to recover/ do testing before starting up again? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
You gotta win to get love. I mean, that's just life. - Ricky Bobby
|
|
|
|
LanceSTS
|
|
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 10:11:47 pm » |
0
|
What works well is cut 1/4 the volume on day 1 (week of combine ~7 days out), day 2-4 another 1/4, days 5-6 should be doing 1/4 the volume/intensity of what you normally do on the field, basically going through the movements at half speed.
Lance, can this concept be used during a deload week when you're in the middle of a training cycle and trying to recover/ do testing before starting up again? absolutely. Concerning strictly the weights, it works best to drop nearly all assistance work, and focus on the primary lifts as above. |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: July 28, 2011, 10:13:28 pm by LanceSTS »
|
Logged
|
Relax.
|
|
|
psychomark32
Newbie
Posts: 13
|
|
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 11:24:01 am » |
0
|
i bet you its because guys with great verts are quad dominant and guys with great forty's are more posterior dominant and have great reactive strength. To have a great 40 you have to have nasty top end speed. Guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration but tend to pitter out at the end of the racee becsause there thighs are too big and they have to "push" through the race instead of propel effortlessly. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Raptor
|
|
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 12:02:55 pm » |
+1
|
You think that 40 yards are enough for that difference to become obvious? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
LanceSTS
|
|
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 01:58:57 pm » |
0
|
No ^^ not blatantly, but a weak posterior chain will still negatively affect short sprints just like will a jump. Whats happening with the 40yd dash times is guys are getting coached to run the race. The start itself can make the difference in tenths of a second, add in learning to use the valsalva maneuver and correct early acceleration mechanics and you can have a less gifted athlete smoke a more highly gifted one in that event. The vertical jump is not coached as in depth by MOST coaches, and even then, improvements arent going to be as drastic as they will with the 40. Anyone interested in a better 40yd dash time should read Joe Defrancos book "The 40YD Dash" , its one of the best resources you will ever find for this event. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Relax.
|
|
|
|
Raptor
|
|
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 03:19:57 pm » |
0
|
No ^^ not blatantly, but a weak posterior chain will still negatively affect short sprints just like will a jump.
Whats happening with the 40yd dash times is guys are getting coached to run the race. The start itself can make the difference in tenths of a second, add in learning to use the valsalva maneuver and correct early acceleration mechanics and you can have a less gifted athlete smoke a more highly gifted one in that event. The vertical jump is not coached as in depth by MOST coaches, and even then, improvements arent going to be as drastic as they will with the 40.
Anyone interested in a better 40yd dash time should read Joe Defrancos book "The 40YD Dash" , its one of the best resources you will ever find for this event.
Yeah but still, The top verters are nowhere in the 40 & vice-versa. Not one top 15 verter makes the top 15 of the 40, not one top 15 40dash makes the top 15 of the vert.
It doesn't make any sense for this to happen. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
undoubtable
|
|
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 07:37:31 pm » |
0
|
Thanks Lance, that's very useful stuff... There is evidence to support both sides of the argument so I doubt you can say that having a good vertical results in slower speeds. I believe that running is a complex skill in itself and maybe some of those guys with great power output haven't mastered it like others. Evidence supporting low vertical (relatively) but crazy speed: Jacoby Ford: 33.5 vertical, 9'7 broad jump, 4.28 40yard dash, 10.21 100m DeSean Jackson : 34.5 vertical, 10'2 broad jump, 4.35 40yd Evidence of great verts and speed Trindon Holliday: 42 vert, 9'8" bj, 4.34 40yd, 10.00 100m !! Calvin Johnson: 44.5 vert, 11'10 bj, 4.33 40yd <---- Crazyyyyy ass shitt Also I know Bryan Clay has been tested at 43' and Harry AA at 40' |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
You gotta win to get love. I mean, that's just life. - Ricky Bobby
|
|
|
|
$ick3nin.v3nd3tta
|
|
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2011, 03:58:54 am » |
-1
|
I bet you its because guys with great verts are quad dominant and guys with great forty's are more posterior dominant and have great reactive strength. To have a great 40 you have to have nasty top end speed. Guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration but tend to pitter out at the end of the race because there thighs are too big and they have to "push" through the race instead of propel effortlessly.
You have contradicted yourself some what. "guys with great verts are quad dominant".
"guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration".Your saying; guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration. Well doesn't that mean the verters should have a great 40yd dash?. It doesn't make any sense for this to happen.
But it has. Whats happening with the 40yd dash times is guys are getting coached to run the race. I would have thought every athlete at the combine would put equal emphasis in training on the vert & 40yd dash? & all camps would have coaches with the necessary experience to coach both events. If it came down to greater coaching, certain States/Universities would dominate the vert/40dash tables?. |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: July 31, 2011, 04:25:53 am by $ick3nin.v3nd3tta »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
TheSituation
|
|
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2011, 08:30:39 pm » |
0
|
I bet you its because guys with great verts are quad dominant and guys with great forty's are more posterior dominant and have great reactive strength. To have a great 40 you have to have nasty top end speed. Guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration but tend to pitter out at the end of the race because there thighs are too big and they have to "push" through the race instead of propel effortlessly.
You have contradicted yourself some what. "guys with great verts are quad dominant".
"guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration".Your saying; guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration. Well doesn't that mean the verters should have a great 40yd dash?. Great 10yd dash yes. Not necessarily 40yd. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I don't lift for girls, I lift for guys on the internet
[7:31pm] adarq: ripp, being honest, it's hard for u to beat jcsbck, he's on fire lately
[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
[7:31pm] adarq: daily
Say NO to Maroko
And also NO to anyone who associates with him. No Taylor Allan. No Adam Scammenauger. No Kelly Baggett. No Elliot Hulse. No Jtrinsey. NO JUMP USA
Don't PM me asking me training questions. I'm here for the lulz. If you want help, post on the forums and get help from all the members, maybe even me.
|
|
|
|
