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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2011, 08:42:42 pm » |
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I bet you its because guys with great verts are quad dominant and guys with great forty's are more posterior dominant and have great reactive strength. To have a great 40 you have to have nasty top end speed. Guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration but tend to pitter out at the end of the race because there thighs are too big and they have to "push" through the race instead of propel effortlessly.
You have contradicted yourself some what. "guys with great verts are quad dominant".
"guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration".Your saying; guys who are quad dominant have great acceleration. Well doesn't that mean the verters should have a great 40yd dash?. It doesn't make any sense for this to happen.
But it has. Whats happening with the 40yd dash times is guys are getting coached to run the race. I would have thought every athlete at the combine would put equal emphasis in training on the vert & 40yd dash? & all camps would have coaches with the necessary experience to coach both events. If it came down to greater coaching, certain States/Universities would dominate the vert/40dash tables?. You thought wrong. The 40yd dash is pushed so heavily and sprint coaches have nit picked every detail from the big toe to the top of the head. The vertical jump is coached primarily as "jump". There are of course exceptions but most combine training facilities are "practicing" the vertical jump, while teaching in detail sprint technique/starts/every step in the race. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2011, 12:47:00 pm » |
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You thought wrong. The 40yd dash is pushed so heavily and sprint coaches have nit picked every detail from the big toe to the top of the head. The vertical jump is coached primarily as "jump". There are of course exceptions but most combine training facilities are "practising" the vertical jump, while teaching in detail sprint technique/starts/every step in the race. I think there is more to it than just technique & attention to detail. It could be range of factor(s), such as mass, height, training methods, exercise preference, maybe the verters are quad dominant, maybe too much squatting (vertical) or too much emphasis placed on oly’s (vertical) etc, that is impeding them to produce a good 40 time. It could be so many things. Maybe the positions they play in might tell us something. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 01:00:41 pm » |
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You thought wrong. The 40yd dash is pushed so heavily and sprint coaches have nit picked every detail from the big toe to the top of the head. The vertical jump is coached primarily as "jump". There are of course exceptions but most combine training facilities are "practising" the vertical jump, while teaching in detail sprint technique/starts/every step in the race. I think there is more to it than just technique & attention to detail. It could be range of factor(s), such as mass, height, training methods, exercise preference, maybe the verters are quad dominant, maybe too much squatting (vertical) or too much emphasis placed on oly’s (vertical) etc, that is impeding them to produce a good 40 time. It could be so many things. Maybe the positions they play in might tell us something. I agree. A lot of linebackers and elite defensive ends have the same vertical jumps as defensive backs. It's there massive lower body strength that gives them so much power to jump high. But, in the 40, they can't keep up with the little guys because it's hard to have fast top end speed when you weigh 250 lbs. Extra body weight takes away from your reactivity, which will effect how "springy" you are once you've reached top speed. The more springy you are the more ground you are covering with each step you take. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2011, 01:11:26 pm » |
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2011, 02:00:04 pm » |
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Just work on your spinal mobility blu, you can cut off both big toes and still run like a cheetah. btw, in studies involving deficiencies in the big toe, there is often a high occurrence of multiple std's. Strange fact but interesting never the less. |
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 02:12:05 pm » |
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Just work on your spinal mobility blu, you can cut off both big toes and still run like a cheetah. btw, in studies involving deficiencies in the big toe, there is often a high occurrence of multiple std's. Strange fact but interesting never the less. It is? Damn I knew it. And damn my long big toes! |
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2011, 02:25:10 am » |
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I agree. A lot of linebackers and elite defensive ends have the same vertical jumps as defensive backs. It's there massive lower body strength that gives them so much power to jump high. But, in the 40, they can't keep up with the little guys because it's hard to have fast top end speed when you weigh 250 lbs. Extra body weight takes away from your reactivity, which will effect how "springy" you are once you've reached top speed. The more springy you are the more ground you are covering with each step you take.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2011, 04:22:04 am » |
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I agree. A lot of linebackers and elite defensive ends have the same vertical jumps as defensive backs. It's there massive lower body strength that gives them so much power to jump high. But, in the 40, they can't keep up with the little guys because it's hard to have fast top end speed when you weigh 250 lbs. Extra body weight takes away from your reactivity, which will effect how "springy" you are once you've reached top speed. The more springy you are the more ground you are covering with each step you take.
Good reply. They also probably have a very strong strength background and they're used to muscle up everything which works well in terms of acceleration but when you get to the relaxation/reactive sprinting they will suck hard there trying to force their sprint up again and again instead of working to maintain a high speed. Not sure if 40 yards is a long enough distance for that to happen though. |
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2011, 12:46:38 pm » |
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I am with lance on this. The technique of every test is coached in such detail that you can shave .2 - .3 off a 40 in less than an hour. You cannot finnesse your way into a good vertical jump. You just need raw power. You dont creep the line, big step, stare at this point, keep your lean, dont pop up but step out, etc... to a good jump. I have seen hip dominant jumpers jump 36+ and quad dominant jump 36+. it is more about horsepower than anything. |
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