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http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=24176&page=7just in case i need to do some iphone time killing reading between sets.. good read by the way.
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5'10" | 170lbs | 8.4%BF | 30 yrs
reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 440x1| 90° Squat - 515x2 | standing VJ - 40"|
That which that does not kill us, makes us stronger.
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 11:03:29 am » |
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Hah, nice thread, I keep on reading. |
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 04:21:54 pm » |
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almost done reading... thread had good potential until darqui messed it up by telling GOMAD peoples his twig weight. its downhill after that.  |
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5'10" | 170lbs | 8.4%BF | 30 yrs
reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 440x1| 90° Squat - 515x2 | standing VJ - 40"|
That which that does not kill us, makes us stronger.
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 08:24:11 pm » |
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almost done reading... thread had good potential until darqui messed it up by telling GOMAD peoples his twig weight. its downhill after that. lmao yup, that sank it.. |
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http://adarq.org/code/"Now Cornell University neurobiologists, studying the adrenal glands of rats, have discovered how chronic stress cranks up the intensity of this adrenaline response. The key to this so-called molecular memory resides in a donut-shaped protein on the surface of cells that secrete adrenaline, the hormone also known as epinephrine." PED's in drug free sports is cheating, unethical, and weak. Athletes and/or coaches who condone/display this behavior can get lost."But you have never felt the burn that you get in the hip flexors from pulling back on the pedal stroke, you have never done the exercise in your life. Squatting ain't doing shit for your hip flexors blu." -- sickenin vendetta. QuickMix: Gulf Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHyFdbJnrY&hd=1The Promise Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed5VRE0lOXU&hd=1Ballet Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_c2dz0C_4&hd=1BoingTerd Dunk Session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mHaUoNpOg&hd=1Dunk Films: dunk=surfing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp_z9fVyMQMay 2011 Dunk Mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-kMay13-2011 Nice dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73BhhFenp7o&feature=player_embeddedAPRIL 2011 DUNK RECAP/MIX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPS1Sm10dsSome hard freakin` dunks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nukAo_IizA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7URZQ3Y4U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQo64DzV70WHO RUN IT DUNK MIX - PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xypWSL5YVEwadarq.org commercial #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYlngDcxFY = if at first you don't succeed, AMP THE F UP & TRY AGAIN. lion swag dunk mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhyqcL4fO-gmisc dunk footage from 2/20/2011, gettin` up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhF8F43z5Ogend of 2010 dunk session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fwJ8e5Vs8The "I think i'm dying dunk mix" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiXkdX5QLNo
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 04:41:56 am » |
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Read it this morning. Fucked my schedule. Was 2 hours late for training. Ha. Good read. |
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Dreyth
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 06:52:03 pm » |
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I'm LAKERS from The Vertical Summit
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 06:53:34 pm » |
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honeybadger = adarqui?
AND reverse hypertrophy |
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Goal is to dunk.
Vertical needed to dunk: 40"
Current vertical : 37"
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 07:00:37 pm » |
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Reverse hypertrophy is adarq i think lance is honeybadger |
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Dreyth
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 07:45:35 pm » |
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HAHHHA GOMAD GOGGLES FOR THE WIN!!! |
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I'm LAKERS from The Vertical Summit
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 08:42:23 pm » |
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Damn I missed some good trolling |
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I don't lift for girls, I lift for guys on the internet
[7:31pm] adarq: ripp, being honest, it's hard for u to beat jcsbck, he's on fire lately
[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
[7:31pm] adarq: daily
Say NO to Maroko
And also NO to anyone who associates with him. No Taylor Allan. No Adam Scammenauger. No Kelly Baggett. No Elliot Hulse. No Jtrinsey. NO JUMP USA
Don't PM me asking me training questions. I'm here for the lulz. If you want help, post on the forums and get help from all the members, maybe even me.
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Dreyth
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 09:08:40 pm » |
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"Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+. Show us your data, and show us the video of the jump test method you use." - Mark Rippetoe LOLLLLLLLLLL ok so if you have a 30" SVJ already you can only increase it by 6" LMFAO.. that's only a 20% increase in vert... mind you, I've went from a 27" RVJ to now a 38" RVJ over a period of 4 years. Mark Rippetoe has ZERO knowledge when it comes to vert training. What a tool. |
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I'm LAKERS from The Vertical Summit
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Dreyth
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 09:25:43 pm » |
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My opinion is that half-squats are never a legitimate exercise for any purpose under any circumstances.
Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+.
I do not think partial squats are SPP. I think they are an ineffective way to train anything, because their mechanics are sufficiently different from normal human movement patterns that they are actually counterproductive.
You can't create "elite" jumping numbers (36"+) with any kind of squat if elite jumping genetics are not already there
And what the hell does bodyfat have to do with this as a training goal?
My rule of thumb in these matters is ABOUT 25% improvement in untrained vs trained SVJ, with emphasis on the S. I didn't make the goddamn percentages up -- they are the consensus of every high-level S&C coach I've talked to about this, every high-level athlete that has trained the SVJ for performance, and my own personal experience.
Half squats are used -- and their use rationalized in this way -- by coaches that do not know how to teach the full squat successfully, that have never disciplined themselves to learn and use the full squat personally, and that run typical shitty collegiate S&C programs that get by because their recruiters put enough genetics on the team that it looks like half-squats and Hammer Strength actually work.- Mark Fucking Rippetoe
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I'm LAKERS from The Vertical Summit
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 02:36:52 am » |
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Lakers, you are not reading appropriately - SVJ is not the same as RVJ. I also think that people are not trying very hard to understand his position and where he is coming from. People just get into these discussions without an open mind and then get upset, like you are, that he is not accepting the idea that some athletes make solid increases in their SVJ without some form of prove. And he is rightfully so asking for it since those gains (let's say 30%, which is a number that has been used in previous discussions), despite the perception on forums such as this, are pretty rare. You could even look at the logs in THIS forum and on TVS and count the guys that increased their standing jumps more than 30%. There are people who did that, but if you think they are more than a small percentage, your perception of it is clouded. You also have to understand that athletes on a board like this are a somewhat "special" population in itself. For Rip the SVJ is merely a diagnostic tool. People here treat it as their training goal. Those are two different worlds clashing together. Those things should be discussed, but IMO this thread got quickly out of hand because opinionated people from both sides did not try very hard to understand the other side and could not get their heads wrapped around what was the actual difference in opinion. It's a pity that this is the case though. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 06:43:58 am » |
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Lakers, you are not reading appropriately - SVJ is not the same as RVJ.
I also think that people are not trying very hard to understand his position and where he is coming from. People just get into these discussions without an open mind and then get upset, like you are, that he is not accepting the idea that some athletes make solid increases in their SVJ without some form of prove. And he is rightfully so asking for it since those gains (let's say 30%, which is a number that has been used in previous discussions), despite the perception on forums such as this, are pretty rare. You could even look at the logs in THIS forum and on TVS and count the guys that increased their standing jumps more than 30%. There are people who did that, but if you think they are more than a small percentage, your perception of it is clouded.
You also have to understand that athletes on a board like this are a somewhat "special" population in itself. For Rip the SVJ is merely a diagnostic tool. People here treat it as their training goal. Those are two different worlds clashing together.
Those things should be discussed, but IMO this thread got quickly out of hand because opinionated people from both sides did not try very hard to understand the other side and could not get their heads wrapped around what was the actual difference in opinion. It's a pity that this is the case though.
i agree with that though i would say more of the stiff neckedness was on rips side |
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2011, 07:07:38 am » |
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Lakers, you are not reading appropriately - SVJ is not the same as RVJ.
I also think that people are not trying very hard to understand his position and where he is coming from. People just get into these discussions without an open mind and then get upset, like you are, that he is not accepting the idea that some athletes make solid increases in their SVJ without some form of prove. And he is rightfully so asking for it since those gains (let's say 30%, which is a number that has been used in previous discussions), despite the perception on forums such as this, are pretty rare. You could even look at the logs in THIS forum and on TVS and count the guys that increased their standing jumps more than 30%. There are people who did that, but if you think they are more than a small percentage, your perception of it is clouded.
You also have to understand that athletes on a board like this are a somewhat "special" population in itself. For Rip the SVJ is merely a diagnostic tool. People here treat it as their training goal. Those are two different worlds clashing together.
Those things should be discussed, but IMO this thread got quickly out of hand because opinionated people from both sides did not try very hard to understand the other side and could not get their heads wrapped around what was the actual difference in opinion. It's a pity that this is the case though.
i agree with that though i would say more of the stiff neckedness was on rips side x2 I agree with steven-miller views on being open minded , differencing a general athlete from a VJ-trainee , seeing the big pic with SVJ possible progress etc. But rippetoe is less openmided in this case for sure , those statements are provoking arrogant. Just 2 cents from someone ( not an athlete , not even close ) who took his SVJ from ~20'' to ~30,5'' ( just a bit above 50% improvement ) squatting mostly above parallel. |
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